Senate to vote on eliminating 1099 requirement and healthcare law repeal at 5:15PM

[flpoljunkie]

Stabenow's amendment up first then McConnell's healthcare repeal amendment. It will be challenged as a budget point of order and will require 60 votes to pass--since repealing healthcare law will increase the budget deficit.

[Botany]

1. Circle jerk

To kneel in a circle with others and pleasure oneself. Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made.

urban dictionary

[vi5]

2. Someone please explain this to me.....

How are these even getting to the floor? When anyone advocated forcing votes to the floor on Dem sponsored bills, we were told that it was impossible. Votes weren't brought to the full Senate unless there were 60 votes.

So how the hell are these getting full votes? I'm definitely missing something here, so someone please school me in this instance.

[flpoljunkie]

3. Harry Reid decided to let them have their vote on repeal and then move on.

[vi5]

4. Any reason why?

Or is it just the obvious that he's a sad, pathetic man without a backbone to speak of?

Can you imagine any Republican in any leadership position "just letting them have their" anything when it comes to dems?

[flpoljunkie]

8. The way the Senate works the R's would get their vote. Reid decided to take it and move on.

It will not pass.

[vi5]

10. So I'm still confused....

I apologize for my ignorance.......but how many times over the past 2 years did Dems want to "get their vote" but were told they couldn't because they didn't have 60 votes. So how is something being voted on without 60 votes to end debate "the way the Senate works"?

So what am I missing? Why did Reid not just "take it and move on" for any number of things we wanted a simple up or down vote on?

Thanks in advance.

[karynnj]

15. They always could have a vote - but many times the Republicans insisted on the

procedural means that required either 60 or 67 votes - just as this one will.

[karynnj]

14. But because you have to waive the budget - it takes 60 votes

This happened on many Republican amendments last year.

[impik]

5. Because they're Republicans and we're Dems. The rules are different.

[Botany]

6. Because Mitch McChinless attached this to a bill that has to be voted on ...

.... something about the FAA ..... now this add on has nothing to do w/ the FAA
but ..... I don't know :banghead:

How could the Supreme Court rule that the counting of the people's votes in
2000 was somehow unConstitutional?

How did Ohio vote in as Governor the man who fleeced Ohio's public workers of
$480 million as governor?

[vi5]

7. So in the two years that we had a bigger majority...

there were NO bills that HAD to be voted on that Dems could have attached things WE wanted to?

Or would Harry only allow that when Republicans want it?

[Botany]

9. I don't know .....

... but the republicans walked lock step to be obstructionists for those 2 years
and brought up the filibuster every time and somehow we could never get the
60 votes for cloture and the bills would die.

Donna Edwards got one of the best bills i have ever seen dealing w/ green technologies
and storm water infrastructure through the House and the Republicans killed it.

Bottom line we need to get the message out that the repugs and sadly some dems (Max Baucus)
are working for the rich and powerful and don't give crap one for everyday Americans.

[vi5]

12. Ugh. How are we not screaming over this?

For 2 years it's been "Don't have 60 votes. No cloture, no vote" on anything and everything Dems wanted.

And now even though we still have the majority and they don't have 60 votes to invoke cloture and we still have the majority leader (HA!) they are getting votes to the floor?

Pathetic. And the fact that this isn't what everyone is screaming about just blows my mind.

[Botany]

13. When you control the media you control the message

Can you imagine the screaming if Ruth Ginsburg had filed false financial forms for 20 years?

[vi5]

17. But I mean even here on DU?

Why is the fact that Reid is allowing Republican backed bills to the floor for up or down votes without 60 votes for cloture when he didn't for Dems over the past 2 years?

Again....what am I missing. Because it can't be this blatant, and people on here can't be that complacent about it, can they?

[karynnj]

16. We attached a bill against drilling in ANWR to a Defense bill in 2005

This happens ALL the time on both sides. It is also why some major pieces of legislation will not be seen as bills, but rather amendments to other bills. (The whole expansion of college funding was in the HCR bill in the reconciliation part. Bad things were like that too - Gramm added the Commodities Future act and the repeal of Glass Stegall to two different bills.)

[vi5]

19. Thank you.....

This was a clear explanation and makes me feel better.

I appreciate this. Doesn't make me happy but I'm glad to know it's not a case of our leadership blatantly caving yet again.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Now voting to procede on Levin amendment which would give Congress control over funding for 1099

requirement repeal. This vote will requires 60 Yes votes to pass.

The Stabenow amendment on eliminating the 1099 requirement (small businesses must submit IRS tax forms for every vendor whom they pay more than $600) and McConnell amendment on repeal of the health care law will apparently follow Levin's amendment.

[flpoljunkie]

21. Levin amendment failed to achieve cloture. Vote was 44-54-2.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00007

[flpoljunkie]

18. Conrad calling for budget point of order re McConnell's amendment to repeal healthcare law.

Sixty votes needed to bypass Conrad's budget point of order and get to a vote on healthcare repeal.

[flpoljunkie]

20. First Read reporting all Dems are expected to hold the line and vote no.

Party line vote expected for Senate health care repeal

From NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, Ken Strickland, and Carrie Dann

Republicans will take a final stab this afternoon at repealing the health care law in the halls of Congress, but it's expected that the vote will go the same way that most of the debate over the legislation has gone: along party lines.

The Senate vote, expected between 5-6 pm ET Wednesday, will technically be on a "point of order" that would essentially nix the GOP effort to repeal the law.

Several Democrats who are up for re-election in 2012 are under pressure from outside conservative groups to side with Republicans and support the repeal effort.

The Tea Party Express has urged its supporters to flood the offices of Sens. Jim Webb of Virginia, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Jon Tester of Montana, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, and Claire McCaskill of Missouri with calls lobbying for repeal.

FreedomWorks, an organization chaired by former Majority Leader Dick Armey, has targeted those five lawmakers as well as Bill Nelson of Florida, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico.

more...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/02/5977007-party-line-vote-expected-for-senate-health-care-repeal-

[flpoljunkie]

22. McConnell effort fails 47 Yeas to 51 Nays. Needed 60 to pass.

[karynnj]

23. I think I heard all those listed here voted no

I wasn't listening for Casey and Bingaman - because I hadn't read the last line as they started to list the noes in alphabetical order. But I did hear Webb, the two Nelsons, Tester, Manchin, MCCaskill - all no

We got 51 votes - where and who were the other Democrats. It did fail badly - they needed 60 and I think got 47(?)

[flpoljunkie]

24. Yes. Lieberman and Warner are evidently absent for all these votes.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00007

[karynnj]

25. Just saw a twitter that it was a straight party vote

It is good that we lost no Democrats. It is also good because the Republicans can not claim they would have won an up or down vote.

[flpoljunkie]

26. Indeed it was. How sweet to see the Dems vote in lockstep!

[barbiegeek]

27. Good the longer it drug out we could have lost the blue dog vote now they can shut up about it

You know they would have thrown their Repub contributions to someone that would flip

[flpoljunkie]

28. Four Dems, three Blue Dogs, did vote with the R's in the House vote to repeal Healthcare.

Blue Dogs Boren, McIntyre and Ross and non-Blue Dog, Rep. Larry Kissell (D-NC).

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/ROLL_000.asp

[flpoljunkie]

29. We are fighting for middle-class families, small businesses--not to protect profits of big insurance

We are fighting for middle-class families and small businesses — not to protect the profits of big insurance companies.

This is the message Democrats needed last year, but better late, than never.

This quote is from an article in Politico titled 'Why We Fight Health Reform Rollback' by Senators Cardin, Schumer, Brown and Stabenow

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48696.html