If you are for killing healthcare reform legislation, you are on the same side as...

[zulchzulu]

It's pretty goddamn simple if you have any idea what would happen and how nothing would happen for a dozen years...

You would be happily and (in their minds) thankfully on the same side as:

[Bullet1987]

1. Option #11: Kill the bill and start over so we can get it right

[zulchzulu]

2. Thanks Sean. BTW, your Fixed Snooze show sucks dog turds. n/t

[Bullet1987]

13. hmm

So, to review what's in the Senate *Health Care Reform* bill:


1. No Single Payer

2. No public option

3. No expanded Medicare coverage

4. No drug re-importation

5. No cost controls

6. No renegotiation of drug prices

7. Capped annual coverage for care

8. Individual mandated coverage

9. Anti-trust exemption for insurance companies

10. A tax on middle class insurance plans

11. Taxes that start up in January, but benefits that don’t start until 2014

[zulchzulu]

25. Bullshit

Did you pull that list out of your ass?

[yourout]

3. There is one problem......If what the Senate bill is currently looking like is passed.

Big Pharma will have a very merry christmas.

They may bluster and put on a show but if they get an insurance mandate without a Public Option or the loss of their Anti-Trust exemption they will be partying like its 1999.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. Right wing asshat Joe Liberdouche is the one who killed reform

Along with right wing asshat Max Baucus, right wing asshat Ben Nelson, right wing asshat Blanche Lincoln, right wing asshat Mary Landrieu, and right wing treasonous piece of shit Rahm Emanuel and his Medicare privatizing assclown brother Zeke. Not to mention that fucking piece of shit Tom Dasshole and other assorted cowards along the way.

[zulchzulu]

9. Agreed... but if you kill the bill, you kill ALL CHANCES AT REFORM

I fucking know who our fucking enemies are. I'd like to line them up and ask if they want to just join the Republican Party or run for the hills...

That said, if we just punt and not do anything at this time, we are...

FUCKED!

Look at what's happening!

Fred Luntz is on Sean Hannity right now (as I watch) gleefully hoping that the bill gets shot down. Why?

WHY?

People who essentially agree with Hannity ARE MY ENEMIES. Period.

[IndianaGreen]

5. If you like to get reamed by the health insurance industry, you will support this Lieberman bill

[zulchzulu]

14. If you reject the Healthcare legislation now, perhaps enjoy talking about it in 2025

It's not that far away... right?

[bigwillq]

6. Howard Dean.

Not a bad place to be.

[zulchzulu]

16. Dean has fucked up before

I'm a fan, but I absolutely think he's doing 'shrooms on this now.

Is Dean proposing we kick this shit down the road for another generation? Is he off his FUCKING ROCKER?

[Bullet1987]

18. Can you comprehend?

HE WANTS TO START OVER!!! What part of that can't you understand?

[zulchzulu]

21. Start Over? ARE YOU SEAN HANNITY?

Start over? Yeah. OK.

We have job bills to work on.

We have climate change bills to work on.

We have DOMA and DADT to work on.

We have further economic revisions to work on.

We have the Afghanistan bullshit to work on.

We have perhaps campaign finance reform to work on.

We have new energy and infrastructure policies to work on.

So WE START OVER on healthcare reform after the "Left" joins the Right to shoot it into oblivion?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? ARE YOU A FUCKING POLITICAL NEWBIE?

[Jack Rabbit]

19. +1

In case the OP and some others haven't noticed. there is no health reform bill before the Senate now.

There is a bill with no public option and no Medicare buy-in. In short, there is a bill with no option for those who feel cheated by the health insurance industry racket but to eat the shit they're served.

[ZombieHorde]

7. I have two questions.

Do you know if the current HC plan is going to have maximum co-pays?

Will insurance companies be allowed to cut people off for the rest of a fiscal year once a patient uses a certain amount of coverage in a year?

[provis99]

8. so you're in favor of health insurance company handout legislation?

Because thats all this bullshit bill is about. Oh yeah, and throwing people in jail who refuse to buy inflated-price health insurance, which this bill mandates. This bill couldn't be worse if it were written by Republicans.

[zulchzulu]

12. Please find someone who has been rejected healthcare coverage due to pre-existing conditions...

...and shit on their shoes, spit on their faces and kick them in the balls until they faint and collapse.

That is what you are doing by stopping healthcare reform to continue in some fashion.

[Bullet1987]

15. Dean called it the Romney Healthcare plan

And that's exactly what it is.

[zulchzulu]

20. So the Answer is to FUCK The Pre-Existing Condition Rejects up the ass?

I get it now.

Not.

[karynnj]

28. You do know that the "Romney" bill was written by the mostly

Democratic legislature in MA and that Romney vetoed parts of it ... and was overridden. In fact, Kerry gives some statistics on the Massachusetts plan - here http://www.c-spanvideo.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=9072382

[depakid]

10. Politics makes strange bedfellows

the only one coming out of this looking half decent is Dean- who toiled as the good soldier until it was abundantly clear that the administration and the corrupt Senate were handing insurers the keys to the treasury and handing the American people a crappy bill of goods.

[zulchzulu]

23. An old friend told me the obvious: There are no shortage of twits

Those who agree we should kill healthcare reform are indeed twits.

[depakid]

27. The Senate bill as it stands isn't health care reform

not only does it fail to address the root problems- but in many ways it puts people in a worse position than the status quo.

If Obama keeps on pandering to Lieberman et al. -rather than pushing for reconciliation- and if he signs it- he owns it.

It'll be called Obamacare- it will fail-and potentially be one of the policies that seals his fate as a one term president.

[zulchzulu]

11. BTW, the more Unrecs on DU are My Badge Of Honor! So Unrec me, you idiots!

What a bunch of bewildering idiots... I thought I was surrounded by smarter people than this...

[KansasVoter]

22. Wow, you sound like a Bush supporter! Either for me or against me! Idiot!

[zulchzulu]

24. Oh for fucks's sake. I am for advancing healthcare reform.

Those who are against it are my enemy. Like Bush.

[Political Heretic]

35. I'm advocating for health reform too

But the only difference is that the only health reform that I support must meet the following criteria:

1) It must put the needs of poor and working class Americans FIRST, ahead of the wants and whims of the financial elite.

2) It must have sufficient benefits for the poor and working class, without making their current situation worse or more costly

3) It must have no critical or "show-stopping" problems that would adversely impact the poor or working class

4) It remaining problems (because there are always problems) must be satisfactorily outweighed by the benefits to poor and working Americans.

5) All things considered, any further effort to produce better legislation would be more harmful than helpful.

Unfortunately, the legislation being proposed by the Senate does not meet this criteria. It is possible that enough issues could be fixed in confernece to make that final bill something I would support. But I did not believe it was worth it to take that risk, given all the capitulation we've seen so far.

I am a strong advocate of real health reform. Unfortunately, this legislation is so full of corporate loopholes and industry giveaways while too light on subsidies and without an adequate, effective model for regulation and cost containment - the result is that insurance companies will be free to continue on the path of escalating premiums and outrageous charges for services, leaving more and more Americans in dire financial straights due to costs of health care - even though more people are mandated by law to pay private corporations for their garbage services.

[cry baby]

29. I recommended...hope that's ok.

[dorkulon]

17. None of those people have jumped off bridges; perhaps we should? /nt

[Starry Messenger]

26. I'm glad you are so sweet and logical.

Unlike those horrid Obama bashers and their vindictive vitriol.

[lamp_shade]

30. K&R

[slinkerwink]

31. enabler. capitulator.

[spoony]

32. Ok, so, you're on the side of the Taliban and terrorists. nt

[cali]

33. pathetic moronic pile of dog shit push poll. you are a desperate little

soul.

now let's see what your next piece of idiot flamebait is.

[Political Heretic]

34. Obama opposes same sex marriage. So he is on the side of a:) Fred Phelps b) Pat Robertson.....

c) Jim Demint
d) Rush Limbaugh

etc. etc. etc.

OH MY GOD SEE WUT I DID THER ? ? ?

[depakid]

36. If you opposed the invasion of Iraq- you were on the same side as

Pat Buchanon and Ron Paul!

The prevalence pf shallowness and myopia in America rarely fails to impress.

Small wonder that people are so easily conned by what in some cases is little less than theater of the absurd.