I trust everyone realizes (whether it's fair or not) that this will be called Obamacare

[depakid]

and the few corrupt Senators who the administration has been unnecessarily attempting to appease for 60 votes will be little remembered in the end.

Let's hope that we don't have to look back in 2012 and say- if only we hadn't squandered our chance to get it done right....

[PBS Poll-435]

1. It has been called "Obamacare" since March. nt

[depakid]

4. Yep- precisely the point

and if what's on the table in the Senate passes in substantially the same form- quite a legacy of fail it will be.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. And the alternative? This "debate" has taken more than 6 months

There isn't time to start over. Get SOMETHING passed like the IRC of 1986 and amend the fuck out of it when given the political opportunity.

[depakid]

11. The alternative is to stand up to the few corrupt Senators and get it done

at least halfway right...

What's currently on the table is a travesty- it not only makes the administration (and the rest of the party) look impotent- but would haunt the Democrats (and bona fide healthcare reform) much of the decade.

[PBS Poll-435]

12. And how the fuck do you propose we do that? nt

[bridgit]

2. RW hate-media has called it "Obamacare" since before it was

[VMI Dem]

3. Obama's War. Obamacare.

Win after win.

[IndianaGreen]

5. It is actually Romneycare

[jgraz]

6. Another example of poor leadership

If they had come up with a clean, simple idea (e.g. Medicare for All), no one would have to pin a name on this clusterfuck.

[quantass]

18. +1000

[dflprincess]

7. He deserves it

it's not like he's been fighting for a better bill and real reform.

[rwheeler31]

8. If we do nothing it will be Obama care failed. The republicans

will bitch no matter what we do,who cares what they think.

[BlueIdaho]

10. I'm beginning to think that Obama doesn't really care at all.

As long as he gets to sit at a table and sign - something - anything he'll be happy.

The rest of us, not so much.

[LooseWilly]

13. I prefer the term "Catasrofu#k"...

I mean... at this point, Obama's "hands off" strategy does at least leave few "fingerprints" on the end result.

In 2007 I never would've thought that Pelosi would seem like the most admirable leader of the Democratic party at the close of 2009...

Obama has successfully blown my mind...

[depakid]

15. I guess the question for many of us- and for the administration is:

Do we really want to own this particular clusterfuck.

[MNDemNY]

14. this bill must be killed.

[impik]

16. He'll sign it, it's his. He knows that.

And i don't think he'll feel too bad about begin responsible of covering another 30 million Americans and saving millions and millions more from losing their coverage.

[Ken Burch]

17. Will someone do a country song called "Here's a Quarter, call somebody who Obamacares"?

n/t.