Lol. Doesn't it figure. The White House is reportedly furious at Howard Dean

[cali]

They'll bend over for little Joe so he can more conveniently fuck us all, but they're going to unleash their attack dogs on Dean, who's bent over backward trying to support them, until he couldn't do it anymore.

[Pirate Smile]

1. We need 60 votes. How has that changed? I wish Howard was in the Senate instead of

Lieberman but he isn't so how the hell does this crap change the dynamics of what we are dealing with to pass health insurance reform?

[Nite Owl]

3. This can work both ways

maybe it can't be passed unless the conservatives start giving a little. They need the progressive votes too.

[itsrobert]

4. Are you insane?

This isn't HCR. It's a big giveaway to the insurance companies.

[Krashkopf]

7. It hasn't . . .but, THEY need 60 votes, too . . .

and, Roland Burris has said he WILL filibuster any HCR bill that does not have a public option . . . if he follows through with it (and I hope to GOD he will!) the current bill is DEAD,and they will have to start from scratch using reconcilliation!

Progressives need to LOUDLY support Dean and Burris . . . and to tell Rahm Emanuel to pull his lips off of Joe Lieberman's ass!!

[niceypoo]

30. A bad bill is a bad bill

Howard Dean is a realist. This bill isn't health insurance reform.

[Pirate Smile]

32. There is a lot of insurance regulation within it that can't be done through Reconcilliation and if

we drop it now it is NOT coming back up for at LEAST a decade.

Pass the regulatory reform now.

Do the Reconcilliation Bill to add subsidies or a Medicare-Buy in afterwards. Those only need 51 votes.

Getting rid of Pre-existing Conditions exclusions, etc. need 60 votes. They aren't gong to go through this nightmare again to get to the regulatory reform for a very long time - at least 15 years if this goes down in flames. People are fooling themselves if they act like Congress will.

It is much easier to modify it once it is in place or to add subsidies or the Medicare-Buy In. Doing it all at once is what is so difficult.

Giving up now would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

[niceypoo]

34. That is a sorry excuse

I dont buy into it for two seconds.

Face it, the Democrats are sniveling cowards, Obama included.

[MadHound]

2. Can't have the truth out there,

And that is what Howard is speaking, the truth.

[OHdem10]

5. Mr. President, tell your advisors to take a deep breath. Please

consider the fact that your advisors just might be wrong on
this one.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Because Dean's Batting For the Opposing Team

Dean leads the Democratic Wing of our Democratic Party.

[MNDemNY]

8. And with Nelson still holding out, expect more restrictive Abortion language today or tomorrow.

[DCBob]

10. I dont think they need Nelson. With PO out Snowe may be onboard.

Maybe Collins too. They will not put that abortion crap back in there.

[MNDemNY]

14. right....

:eyes:

[jefferson_dem]

17. Collins is out. She said as much yesterday.

Snowe is teetering but likely out also. The sorry-ass Repugs will probably remain united against reform. So we need all the Dems + Sanders and Liberman.

[DCBob]

19. Snowe has said in the past she will support the bill w/out PO.. I did not hear that about Collins..

Maybe she is getting tons of pressure from the wacko rightwingnuts.

[DCBob]

21. Snowe could vote for cloture and then reserve her right vote against the final bill..

Here are her recent comments: "I'm not leaning any way, I'm leaning to try to get it right, if it's possible."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/15/2152628.aspx

Sounds like some wiggle room there to me.

[LiberalEsto]

9. You mean RAHM is furious

Rahm Emanuel hates Dean anyway. And as far as I'm concerned, Rahm is one of the worst people in the current administration.

[RevCheesehead]

12. +1

[AspenRose]

31. Exactly!

He can't stand Dean.

[leftynyc]

33. Rahm does EXACTLY what he's told

to do by President Obama. Stop laying blame on the COS when he's just doing his job - it's lame and moronic.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Key word: "reportedly".

The media lurves them some "divided Democrats" meme.

That being said, I wouldn't blame the White House for being mad at Dr. Dean. His most recent "scream" (sorry) is not helpful for the cause of progress.

[cali]

13. Anyone who actually listened to him, knows full well that that wasn't

irrational commentary, as you're nastily implying, but reasoned, eloquent and knowledgeable- whether you agree or disagree with him.

[jefferson_dem]

15. The "scream" reference?

Come on. It was a bit of tongue-in-cheek...

Hey, I respect Dr. Dean and admire his passion. I just think he's wrong.

Passion and principle are really cool. But I like responsible legislating/governing better.

[PassingFair]

27. Most of us think principles are "really cool".

Some frat-boy types don't care about "principles"
as long as it looks like
their team is winning.

Mandated health care without price
caps is NOT a win.

Not in ANY way.

This shit bill needs to die a quick death.

[dave29]

28. gonna defend Dean here

the man got health care done in his state. He got civil unions done in his state. He was a Governor after all... before he led us to victories in 2006 and 2008.

I am still pulling for HCR to pass, but I respect Dr. Dean way too much to have him knocked down a few rungs just because he doesn't happen to be in the Senate right now.

[xultar]

18. Buhwawawawa. I suppose you want to ban the MSM from being sources @ DU.

[emulatorloo]

29. Sounds like the source of this story was "Morning Joe""?

I gathered from another thread that it was single source on Morning Joe.

If that is the case I think I will treat a little skeptically until I hear more info.

[AllentownJake]

16. No progressive left behind

Under the bus.

[VMI Dem]

20. Any reports of the White House being furious with Joe Lieberman?

[ima_sinnic]

22. I consider Obama himself guilty of fracturing the Democratic Party

Obama has clearly shown whose "side" he's on, and he started on Day 1 by appointing Rahm Emmanuel to be the front man warding off any alliance with progressives. He snubbed Howard Dean, not even considering him for the obvious post of Surgeon General, let alone a Cabinet position of Secretary of Health & Human Services, knowing full well that with Dean comes an entire army of eager, dedicated, selfless "followers" (I prefer the word "fans" myself, as "followers" implies blind devotion and a certain loss of rationality)--VOTERS who will vote for Democratic principles, visions, and ideals without hesitating. They are also known to be pavement-pounders, getting out the vote in droves and can be galvanized to put pressure on congresspeople.

Progressives are now like the token "negroes" or "girls" in the administration, with a few window-dressers in obscure, low-level, powerless positions.

He had the entire country in the palm of his hand upon being elected, but Obama seems to have been intent on creating another version of the Republican party--some unoriginal, unquestioning, status quo supporting, corporate ass kissing version with a little "social conscience" thrown in for the sake of being "democrats."

He has squandered the good will and unity of a vast group of progressive voters, represented in the millions by such orgs as MoveOn, SinglePayer.org, Color of Change, CREDO, Change.org, FireDogLake Action, Democracy for America--on and on ad infinitum. These are just some I receive e-mails from daily--there are veterans' groups, womens' groups, gays' groups, etc. etc., all "trying" to "get through" and be heard.

I will be aligning with Howard Dean in hopes that all that progressive energy can be channeled into a viable alternative political party to the single-party system we have now.

[cali]

23. Just want to point out tht Dean not only had ZERO interest in being

Surgeon General, but he isn't qualified. He is qualified for Sec of HHS. They're two very different posts. Dean has no expertise in things like epidemiology.

[ima_sinnic]

24. that is a technicality I was unaware of, but the point remains

Howard Dean and those like him who represent forward-thinking values and principles without the taint of corporate influence are just not welcome in this administration.

[asdjrocky]

25. Leave the White House ALONE!

Just leave it alone.

[uponit7771]

26. The White House is very happy with Dean, wants to marry him...:rolleyes:

[Thrill]

35. They can fight Progressives but wimps against conservative Democrats

and Republicans. I'm getting tired of trying to defend them

[David Zephyr]

36. K&R.

Howard Dean is the thorn in their corporate whoring sides.

[asdjrocky]

37. I'm beyond surprise with this White House.

The only thing they could do at this point to surprise me would be something, anything liberal.

[democracy1st]

38. hey from the start this was a Goldman Sachs admin