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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 12:34 PM
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You have to watch the Full 16 minute segment from Rachel's opening last night --->
Her best ever:

Democrats find their spine:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/41879822#41879822

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 12:40 PM
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1. She was great - dead on!
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 12:46 PM
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2. i'd like a bumper sticker that says 'tax millionaires' nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:12 PM
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4. close
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:01 PM
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3. Would give 1,0000 recommends if possible
As she so often does, Rachel hit the bullseye yet again.

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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:26 PM
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5. There is a part of me that believes it's not about spine or lack of it.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 01:29 PM by Raine1967
Look at Nancy Pelosi. Russ Feingold, Alan Grayson -- there are many many others that have always had spine. Take away the Blue dogs and you will see a lot of spine. (The blue dogs, I might add, are not a majority in the Democratic party)

Here are a few more:
John Lewis, Luis Gutierrez, Rosa DeLauro, Elijah Cummings, Barney Frank, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Jim Moran (currently my representative!!) , Tammy Baldwin, Louise Slaughter ... the list can go on.

There are a lot of Dems with spine that don't get headlines, they don't get fanfare -- but they have spine. I love what Rachel said, and I agree, it was a home-run.

That said, I think we do ourselves a disservice to believe that the Dems do not have a spine. Assuming such falls right into the hands of the right wing meme that government is broken.

Look at what we are up against. We are not only fighting the ideology of the GOP, but we are fighting things like Citizens United, the US chamber of Commerce and the Koch Brothers.

This is a huge fight. It's a fight being fought from within, in a government that has -- over the past 30 years -- slowly been bent toward favoritism to corporations over people. Bending it back, without breaking it... imo... opinion will take time.

Elections matter.

There is more spine in DC among the democratic party than people believe. I just wonder if people are aware of what they are up against. This is a big hill to climb, let's not assume they are not attempting to take the hill because they don't have the fortitude to do so. The hill is that steep.

We are at such a point that -- in all reality -- we could see this broken permanently. I'm not talking about the party, I am talking about the country.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 04:30 PM
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7. I both agree and disagree with you
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 04:32 PM by Armstead
I agree 100 percent that there are great Dems on the national level such as those you mentioned....Plus a lot more like them on the state and local levels.

Whet I disagree is that the problem is more systemic within the Democratic Party. Alas, the public image and the political strategies and message have been under the thumb of the "centrists" for far too long...This is much bigger than the BlueDogs....It is the whole alignment with Corporate Democrats through such pseudo-liberal players as the DLC and their clones and strategists and centrist politicians who have been systematically undermining a truly liberal and progressive populist Democratic Party

The Gop and the Corporate elite would not have succeeded without this distortion of the Democratic Party that been underway for over three decades.

The ultimate shame is those progressive Democrats with spine, like those you listed, often have to contend with the leadership of their own party as well as the GOP.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 03:37 PM
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6. What's amazing is that the poll numbers reveal disapproval of what the gop is doing EVEN
in the face of a massive misinformation campaign in Wisconsin and nationally and with a complete lack of national dem leader presence on the issue.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:15 AM
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8. When do we get to hear from our Democratic President on that?
Good question Rachel.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:34 AM
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9. Ezra Klein put these NBC/WSJ poll results in a graph...
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:47 PM
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10. Cenk did the exact same segment earlier in the day
Really glad that poll is getting a lot of air time. Its pretty incredible.
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