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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:14 PM
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Very stirring post on why teachers are pissed that Obama praised Jeb Bush on. stage in FL
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 01:40 PM by erodriguez
We are not opposed to education reform and improvement.  What we are opposed to are models that call themselves "reform" but which are really nothing more than an agenda of privatization--a push to take money away from the public schools that serve all children, rich or poor; black, white, Hispanic or Asian; gifted, average, or with special needs; with involved parents or absent parents or no parents at all; and to place it in the hands of very rich, very powerful corporate interests.

This is why we are disappointed by your standing on stage with Jeb Bush, and most especially by your praise of his "reforms" and "commitment to public service."

Jeb Bush's Foundation for Florida's Future has been one of the biggest advocates of charter schools in this state, including for-profit charter schools.  They have ensured that it is very easy to open a charter school in Florida and very difficult to close a failing one.  They have done this despite the lack of evidence that charter schools are a superior option to public schools, and indeed in face of the evidence that, on the whole, traditional public schools outperform charter schools.  The Stanford University CREDO Study showed that only 17% of charter schools provide superior academic results than traditional public schools, while 46% were equal and 37% were significantly worse. This, despite the incontrovertible fact that charter schools are allowed to (and do) "counsel out" or expel their lowest performing students, their students with behavioral issues, their students with attendance issues.  The students that charter schools expel (AFTER taking in the state funding for those children for the year) are sent back to traditional public schools--without the state funding.  We not only accept them, we embrace them, and do the best we can for them, even when they have only been in our classroom for a month or two--or perhaps a few days--at testing time. To top it all off, Florida is listed in the report as one of the states with the worst performing charter schools.  Further, the Office of the Inspector General of the US Department of Education has opened more than 40 criminal investigations against charter school operators, resulting so far in convictions of 15 charter school officials with 24 cases still pending.  The government has recovered more than $4 million stolen by charter school operators.  There is absolutely no compelling evidence that charter schools are a viable alternative to public schools or that they should be opened or expanded at the expense of public schools--yet that is exactly what Jeb Bush's foundation pushes for.  Why?

Money.

Many charter schools, including Imagine Schools, are for-profit and are run by millionaires who bankroll Republicans like Jeb Bush in return for legislation favoring their enterprise.
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More at

http://www.examiner.com/dade-county-education-policy-in-miami/president-obama-shares-the-stage-with-jeb-bush-miami

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:15 PM
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1. Well, yes.
That's the purpose of busting state budgets, to move social sector
services into the hands of private business. Watch the money flow.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:17 PM
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2. no matter how much Obama grovels he will never be a member of the Bush Clan nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:19 PM
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12. Obama is now groveling?! Wow. n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:20 PM
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16. yeah because two of them belong on death row at marion federal
max prison.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:22 PM
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3. Obama mentioned Jeb at the Nelson fundraiser, and he got booed by Democrats.
People are very upset about this.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:31 PM
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7. And that happened the very next day after his stage appearance with Jeb!
At a Democratic fundraiser of all places!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:33 PM
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20. It's like he couldn't refrain from gushing over Republicans for even an hour or two.
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 09:40 PM by QC
Has anyone ever been more enamored of those who despise him?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:27 AM
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25. And very understandably so!!!
Jeb Bush was one of the original members of the PNAC whose members were primarily responsible for taking us to war on outright lies. The PNAC dominated the Bush administration and are nothing more then war criminals. I could not imagine myself sharing the stage with this bloody bastard. Where in the hell does Obama have his head if not up his ass at times? Is he trying to alienate every Democrat in the Party? Lord, I thought that the Big Dog was wishy-washy at times, but Obama tops him hands down. It is obvious that he is playing to the Middle and doesn't really give a tinker's dam about many progressive issues. Yes, he is better than the alternative, but who isn't when they are compared to the devil incarnate.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:23 PM
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4. correction -
it's not "many charter schools... are for-profit" - only approximately 10% nationwide - and many of those primarily "online school".

another 10% are run by non-profit charter management organizations -

80% are locally founded and operated by teachers, parents, local citizens - and all non-profit.

Are there some abuses? Yes. Just like there are scandals in traditional public schools all over the country for embezzlement, fraud, etc...

FYI a lot of charters are unionized.


I do not support Jeb. I am upset by Obama's actions. I haven't followed it closely enough to find out his rationale, though I'm sure he has one. (I've been a bit preoccupied with support my local teachers here in Wisconsin! Including my son's old charter school union teachers!)
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:40 PM
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9. I'd say this is many.
For-profit charter schools--or at least, charters run by for-profit corporations--are alive and kicking in Florida.  Imagine Schools, the country's largest charter school operator headquartered in Virginia, already runs 18 charter schools in the state.  On November 12, 2008, the company withdrew applications for 15 new charter schools in the face of recommendations for denial--though they plan on pursuing them later.


I'd say that is many.

http://www.examiner.com/dade-county-education-policy-in-miami/who-profits-from-for-profit-charter-schools-florida

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:23 PM
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:27 PM
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6. Your response was perfect.... Teachers are already held accountable...
But I would of asked/said we are waiting for the bannisters to be held accountable...
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:37 PM
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8. Every time Obama does this sort of thing for "bipartisanship" he promotes the idea
that there's really no important difference, no significant issue at stake. This is the dishonesty at the core of this constant attempt to find approval from the other side.

He does it over and over. It is infuriating, no matter what the issue at stake.

Thanks for putting the situation so clearly.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:12 PM
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15. Well put.
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 04:13 PM by BlueIris
It disturbs me that he thinks he can "get" anything from them, or accomplish anything by bargaining with them. It is a nonfunctional nonstrategy and it hurts me to see a Democratic President place his name behind it.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:16 PM
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10. Obama is scaring me.
He either doesn't see the hidden agenda, or he's complicit about it.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:18 PM
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11. Yes, he's the devil incarnate---really. n/t
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:29 PM
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13. Uh oh!! You must be right!!
:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:47 PM
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14. That's just a prelude to an incestuous relationship between presidents 41, 42, 43, 44. n/t
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NillaWafers Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:22 PM
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17. Rec'd. n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:32 PM
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18. k&r
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:42 PM
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:55 PM
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21. K and R (nt)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:38 PM
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22. 17% = 0%?
"17% of charter schools provide superior academic results"
followed by:
"There is absolutely no compelling evidence that charter schools are a viable alternative".

If you add in the charter schools that have equal performance, (46% was cited), 63% of charters provide equal or better performance.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:45 AM
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23. but then too, 83% of public schools provide equal or better performance
and public schools don't get to toss some students back at the Charter system.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:21 AM
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24. Yeah, the numbers don't provide a clear, 100%, result either way.
Interestingly enough, the best charter results I've seen tend to be mirrors of things already done in some public systems: Specialty/magnet schools, merit pay, smaller classes, specialty teachers...
....AND....
The worst charter schools also reflect the worst of public systems, where the kids are cattle, the curricula is standardized across all students, and the teachers aren't matched to their topic.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:08 AM
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26. BILL GATES is putting many millions & billions into financing charter schools.
The type of schools he can control with his influence. He's not giving anything to help public schools. I say...mind your own damn business Bill. Or, if you want to help with education...just donate to counties or states and let them decide what kind of schools they want and where the money is needed. We don't need the Gates' and corporations controlling our schools. Gates was never trained as a teacher. What gives him the right to tell experienced teachers how to teach?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:58 PM
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27. As long as they don't receive ANY Public Tax Money,
I have no problem with Private (Charter) Schools.

But not one penny, including "vouchers", should go to these private/corporate entities,
even if they label themselves "non-profit".




In a Democracy, NO Public Funding should EVER go to:

*Private Prisons

*Armed Private Military Contractors (Mercenaries)

*Private "Intelligence" gathering agencies

*Health Insurance Corporations

*Private Police Forces

*Private (Charter) Schools

ALL of the above are in The Commons,
and ALL are the responsibility of the citizens to support and maintain.
ALL should be owned by The People, and ALL should be OPEN, TRANSPARENT, and ACCOUNTABLE to The Public.




Who represents THIS overwhelming American Majority?


"By their works you will know them."


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:28 PM
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28. I read Jennie Smith's op-ed. She said she's "disappointed"; nowhere does she say she's "pissed".
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 03:35 PM by ClarkUSA
I'm surprised that she didn't do more to highlight the substance and reason of why President Obama was there in the first place: to push for an 11% increase in education funding. Jeb Bush was a convenient use of a Republican to frame President Obama's budget plan in a bipartisan way, as a nudge for the inevitable Teabagger opposition to any such increase. Why isn't she pushing for teachers to support President Obama's proposed 11% increase in education funding instead of wasting an op-ed on being "disappointed"? Does she not know that there's a Teabagger House who would love to slash education funding if it were not for President Obama's refusal to let them?

Way to look at the trees instead of the forest! :sarcasm:


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