The only way to achieve HCR is to quietly accept betrayal of HCR

[Lerkfish]

gee, it sounds somehow wrong when I simplify the issue down to its core meaning, doesn't it?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

1. I just can't bend my mind around how something like annual caps

works its way back in. That one is pretty clear. That specific practice is what drives Amercians into bankruptcy in short order. That kind of practice, along with stuff like forbidding drug negotiation or importation lets you know for certain that they are NOT on the sides of the American citizen.

Now, once that fact has been made explicitly clear to you, what use do you make of that knowledge?

[MNDemNY]

2. And NO end to the anti-trust exemption??

:wtf:

[GodlessBiker]

3. +1

[asdjrocky]

4. It's easy to make simple things sound wrong.

You're either with me or against me. See how easy that is?

[Lerkfish]

5. so allowing betrayal of HCR is a good thing?

is it more complex than that? i doubt it.

[asdjrocky]

7. I'm not sure how you are defining betrayal here.

Do you mean passing this bill is a betrayal of HCR or not passing it is a betrayal of HCR?

[Lerkfish]

9. the bill in its current form is a betrayal.

passing or no.

[asdjrocky]

10. We are in total agreement on that.

Still pretty early in the morning for me.

:hi:

[Lerkfish]

6. the unrec trolls are after this thread

if you agree with it, please counteract them, thanks.

[MNDemNY]

8. And they Alert on any thing negative.

[DemReadingDU]

11. +1

[treestar]

12. Words like "betrayal" make me think of soap operas

Politics is the art of compromise. Why were you promised anything more than other Americans, even the right wingers? You'd think it involved personal relationships rather than social or political ones.

[Lerkfish]

13. bizarre: you think I mean I was personally betrayed?

I"m referring to the entire country, all americans included.

[treestar]

18. Well the right and the middle doesn't think so

You can't speak for the whole nation, not even the Democrats can do that.

[bvar22]

16. "Politics is the art of compromise"

I can accept "compromise".
In a compromise, each side gives up something, each side gets something.

What we are witnessing is complete and total "Capitulation".
You are pretty bold to call this a "compromise".

Compromise would have been a robust Public Option "like Medicare" available to any American who wants it.

[treestar]

19. I doubt it. if you check a right winger's opinion

You'll see the same claim.

In spite of all the drama here, the insurance companies are probably seeing it the same way.

[SIMPLYB1980]

14. Oh the Drama!

:popcorn:

[Lerkfish]

15. really? Am I being dramatic in my distillation of the argument?

or am I being accurate?

we are being told that we must accept a betrayal of Health Care reform in order to pass Health Care Reform.

do you have a refutation, or just snark?

[SIMPLYB1980]

17. Looks like Drama to me. nt