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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:40 PM
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This constant Democrat bashing is ridiculous, plain and simple.
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 11:40 PM by ClassWarrior
Unreal. Just unreal. With all the horrendousness being perpetrated by the right wing we have some posters expending energy bashing DUers night and day. It is simply outside reality. They applauded the ending of DADT. Supportive enough? They applauded the fair pay act. Supportive enough? They applauded the stimulus package, which invested in green energy, infrastructure, and saved millions of jobs. Supportive enough? They applauded the reversal of numerous bad Bush policies through executive order. Supportive enough? They applauded the fact that Obama fough like hell for the Dream Act. Supportive enough? They applauded the fact that his Administration refuses to enforce Section 3 of DOMA. Supportive enough? They applauded the fact that he signed more PROGRESSIVE legislation in two years than we've had at least since LBJ. Supportive enough? And, if anyone needs a further refresher course, start working the DU search engine for proof. Now I know some will say, "Well, they've also gotten angry because he still hasn't fulfilled many of his campaign promises, and that he refuses to take the bully pulpit for Democratic values, and that he didn't fight enough for the public option, and that he compromised on tax extensions for the rich for two more painful years," etc. Let's get into reality. They are citizens of the United States of America. It is their right in a democracy to demand that their elected officials represent their values - especially ones from their own party. The tax deal extended the very same corporate tax breaks that tanked our economy in the first place, and will only make the problem much, much worse. The tax cuts for the wealthy were only supposed to be temporary. It was another failure by the President to take a stand for Dem values, the best of American values in Lakoff's words. (As for being "centrist", you don't win indies and moderates by being mushy and weak and noncommittal, because they want a president who stands strong for his values.* These same bashers also bash Russ Feingold who won a lot more than twice in a so-called swing state while holding the honorable title of the "Most Progressive Member of the United States Senate." Go figure.)

The tax bill Bernie Sanders wanted embodied Democratic values better than any tax bill Obama or any other national Democrat has offered in recent memory. What do people not get? Reality time. I agree that it would be STUPID for Obama to overly inject himself in the Wisconsin matter. It would then become all about right wingers making it an issue about HIM instead of keeping the focus on the real issue. Nonetheless, some here are actually bashing Dems over their opinions of Obama's slogan of WINNING THE FUTURE. How crazy. Demonizing Democrats over A SLOGAN... THIS IS CALLED DEMOCRATIC DEBATE and it is what we as progressives are all about. So enough of this crazy Dem bashing. It is simply ridiculous and outside the realm of reality. Some need to find political reality plain and simple. Enough is enough.

*http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/no-center-no-centrists_b_60419.html

NGU.

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:43 PM
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1. Are you talking about the Republicans in the Democratic Party?
Pointing out the elephant in the living room is not bashing it...
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:45 PM
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2. That's exactly what I'm pointing out.
:hi:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 12:18 AM
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 01:28 AM
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7. +1. Don't worry, they'll get it soon enough.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 07:12 AM
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14. Hyperbolic nonsense.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 07:52 PM
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29. You don't have to label your posts for our benefit.
:rofl:

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 12:20 AM
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4. Rec
I got it.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 12:24 AM
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5. Unrec for people who can think for themselves.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 01:51 AM
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8. Unrec. Thank you.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 11:55 PM
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20. So because most Dems don't follow leaders in lockstep, they can't think for themselves?
Edited on Sat Mar-12-11 11:55 PM by ClassWarrior
:crazy:

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:44 PM
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30. No answer?
I didn't think so.

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 12:32 AM
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6. "Bashing" vs "Criticism" - the issue is the perpetual disagreement
about which is which.

It's subjective. Personally I think some hide the former under the excuse of being the latter, but at the end of the day it's nothing more than everyone opinions and other people's opinions about opinions, and the fact that some people are really thin-skinned about people disagreeing with them.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 07:07 AM
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12. The intent of DU is to SUPPORT Dems. Some bash, yes bash, Obama and other Dems who are not purists,
and it is foolish.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 08:33 AM
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16. Bash is a word of physical violence,
it amazes me how casually many of you accuse others of such things. I personally am not comfortable with that word being used around any person who is in the public eye. It is a particularly loaded word in this case, as the word 'bash' is very often used to describe attacks on certain minority groups.
The use of that word makes any valid criticism you might have of critics and makes it vanish. It is a rhetorical flourish you make frequently enough that I want to tell you that when I hear the word 'bash' I do and will always think instantly of a friend beaten, broken, and bloodied by straight hooligans who were out on a 'fag bashing' run. That is the primary image associated.
So those who use rhetoric to call criticism a physical attack are engaging in falsehoods and using words meant to touch deeply emotional buttons. Or they are just not aware of the meanings in the lexicon they picked up from others. One should remember that McClurkin and Warren and DuBois are OFA speakers. Their lexicon is going to be filled with code speak and nastiness that many outside the church world will not understand.
So keep saying 'bash' to mean 'critique' as if words have no meaning. I do not expect much specificity in language from the moderate centrist crowd, they are too busy trying to see where to stand in relation to the far right, trying to maintain that center, to have any actual connection to events in the moment.
You say bash, I see a victim in a hospital bed. And now you know that. I am not the only one. Here is one of hundreds of stories. http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-10/justice/new.york.hate.crime.arraignment_1_vacant-apartment-anti-gay-slurs-unoccupied-apartment?_s=PM:CRIME

You have a nice day.
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namahage Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 02:16 PM
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19. I guess the word "bash" changes meaning
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:29 PM
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27. DUers shouldn't bash any Dems. But we should be free to criticize them constructively.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 01:34 PM by ClassWarrior
There have been some content-free threads on both sides, just simply bashing. That's what's wrong. And they're not always locked, even though they should be.

NGU.

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:22 AM
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21. How is that different from you constantly lecturing and insulting DUers
who don't agree with you?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM
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22. The intent of DU is to SUPPORT Dem VALUES. A handful bash, yes bash...
...and another handful use that to relentlessly demonize good Dems. So who are the bashers? Both handsful, I'd say.

NGU.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 02:42 AM
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9. I expect horrendousness to be perpetrated by the right wing....
...not the left. -----> Bradley Manning.



People of conscience need to:

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 11:25 AM
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17. I don't demand that the POTUS have my values and speak for them every day
That's just too much to expect. I am only one voter. Even as a group, I don't expect the POTUS to be identical to my group's first expectations. That's too much to ask too. We are all self centered to some degree, but for politics we simply cannot demand we be first in consideration - there are always many issues. POTUS gets to deal with them all.

I don't even expect the party to be pushing my agenda first, or any particular group agenda. It has many people in it and there are going to be differences within a party.

I think anyone with an adult view of the world and reasonable, realistic expectations would see Obama and the 111th Congress as having made a good deal of progress, especially considering the intransigence of the Republicans and their use of the filibuster 100% of the time.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 08:16 AM
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26. Nobody does. Straw man.
That's a common RW tactic, you know, to caricature progressives. How much latte do you drink in your limousine, by the way?

:rofl:

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 01:17 PM
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18. Obama saved the right wing
under Bush and the right-wing Congress, they screwed everything up. That led to an unbelievable opportunity to show the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Then Obama came along and proceeded to blow that opportunity.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:37 PM
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25. Devastatingly true.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 09:58 AM
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28. I don't know if it's "devastatingly true," but he did miss some excellent...
...opportunities to stand strong for Democratic values.

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 07:14 PM
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24. Unrec -1
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 09:41 AM
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31. DUers have received no unworthy bashing. Most of them are now
the lunatics that have taken over the asylum with their constant whining. After listening to their bullshit for 3 years, alot of us are pretty fed up and many excellent posters have left DU altogether.

They have pretty much destroyed what used to be a great place for Democratic discussion and SUPPORT. Now it feels like the Free Republic.



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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 09:58 AM
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32. It's pretty scary that...
a lot of us can't support the Dems in office here without getting torn apart. It's getting out of control.
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