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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:44 PM Original message |
Poll question: Do you think stripping Bradley Manning naked and forcing him to sleep without clothing is torture? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Anyone who votes no, let's see if they would change their minds if they were forced to do it. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. I sleep naked every night. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Suicide watch doesn't mean you have to force |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Do you know much about it? Actually in cases of suicide watch they do take away the clothing. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Prison mattresses have a pillow rise, too..... |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Some of them do, some of them don't |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. His does-- |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. A built in pillow probably made of foam. Not with a pillow covers. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. He won't. Which is why I'm of the opinion that peoples need to stop the |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Why do you trivialize the creeping disregard for civil liberties |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:38 AM Response to Reply #101 |
109. You should say that to his father, who says you're wrong. n/t |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. This is part of a pattern of disregard of civil liberties on the part of the current administration |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. Getting a mattress with a built-in foam pillow instead of a nice fluffy down one isn't |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. It may be done but it's not legitimate |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Actually it's not illegal so then it is legitimate. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #80 |
112. humiliation and breaking down is SOP in boot camp |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
74. you do know he's NOT on suicide watch, don't you? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Then you need to tell the person I responded to. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
95. Actually, yes, he was under suicide watch. n/t |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. No shit. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Is Manning still on suicide watch ? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. That's like the old question "have you stopped beating your wife?" |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. He says he was not suicidal and they say he was...understood... n/t |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. What is he talking about? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Asking the Pentagon if they are doing a good job is like asking |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. "Torture?" I thought it was called "enhanced interrogation." |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. What's the thermostat set on? That is my first thought... If they are not keeping him |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. "President Obama doesn't seem to think" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Do you know if Manning is without certain clothing because of |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Do you have info on a suicide attempt? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. There was not. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. He was actually. He was placed on suicide watch. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
76. Everything I have read indicates that he was never put on suicide watch |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. Here are a list of reputable articles on the fact he WAS in Suicide Watch. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
102. He didn't have an attempt, he made reference to killing himself. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. He made a comment about committing suicide. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
56. Ahhh, so in a situation as he was in, he has time to make a sarcastic comment?! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
86. He is not sleeping naked. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. In fact, Obama's approval *proves* it's not torture |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Obama's approval |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. But it's not driving Manning crazy |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Are you Manning? n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. We are all Manning |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
99. Yes indeed! nt |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
97. LOL |
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GeorgiaPeach (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Sickened. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes, course it is! Someone unrec'ed this thread. Why would anyone do that? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. rec. |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. NO ONE should be forced to sleep!!!!! And that's all I have to say about that n/t |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. ps if he were forced to stay away nakkie, I may have more to say about that. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
20. Disgusting anyone would debate or defend this. It's criminal, period. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Manning committed a serious crime; that is undeniable. Supporting/agreeing with him is irrelevant. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. He's accused of a crime. His treatment is unconscionable & indefensible. THAT is undeniable. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. He shouldn't have yelled "fire" in a crowded theater (analogy). |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. There is nothing vaguely "by the book" in Manning's treatment, nor anything vaguely rational in |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
81. "I could kill myself with the elastic in my underwear or with my flip-flops." |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. where is his trial? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Where is anyone's trial who is awaiting their trial date? n/t |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. are they being tortured as well? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. Since Manning isn't being tortured, your question makes no sense. n/t |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
84. I missed the verdict. When was that handed down? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. He confessed. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. So he's been convicted? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. His confession rather ends the debate on guilt, don't you think? |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
88. Ever heard the phrase |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Ever heard the phrase -- |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
72. Then how hard are you working for the following: |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. Guess Amnesty International thinks this is something different. Why is that, you think? |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
115. thank you, totally agree |
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Sky Masterson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
24. All that we all know is what we hear. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. No, not torture. I refer to the UN Conventions on Torture and Red Cross definitions |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. First off, Obama has decided that the first document is null and void |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Deleted message |
Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. How can you say that being deprived of one of the three basic needs of life is not |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:53 AM Response to Reply #44 |
62. It is degrading. But it's not kosher to suggest you'd kill yourself. n/t |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. not torture, not appropriate, and not being done |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
38. I wonder how many people who think this is torture have been in jail or prison? |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Yes. And Obama is complicit. Deal breaker. n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. It's not torture under any legal definition (as far as I know), but that being said... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. if he's in the military, he's under different rules |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I'm aware of that but I still think it's ridiculous |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
66. He's in a brig that has only solitary cells. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. There's a difference between solitary and having one's own cell |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. Every US Citizen charged with a crime: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN COURT OF LAW |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Didn't he admit to giving up secret information?! How does that work if he admits to it?! n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Unless you waive your rights upon serving in the military. UCMJ then applies |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Oooh...I didn't know this. Thanks PBS Poll-435. n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. That should have said "Because you waive your rights", not "Unless" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #41 |
71. But his supporters don't care about that |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
42. There's a missing option |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. I wish we could ask Bradley Manning if he felt like he was being tortured. nt |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
47. Sleeping w/o clothes--is it to prevent him from hanging himself? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:35 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Oh right...he was on suicide watch. Wearing clothing might be a problem in those situations. |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 06:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
67. And he was on suicide watch because....??? |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
49. unrec for BS push poll |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
51. i was going to vote no but you rigged the question |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
52. I do think that is torture. Or at least mistreatment. But is this even true and confirmed?! n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Who even knows? I know that if he really played the "I'm gonna kill myself card"... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That's the vibe I'm getting as well. n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 06:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. His lawyer tried that strategy before--that client is on the federal death row.... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
69. Absolutely No to both your answers. |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
116. totally disagree |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Being humiliating does not make something torture. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
70. I'm curious as to why it is so important |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
82. from what I've heard of his treatment |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
83. Per the U.N definition of torture it absolutely is. The fact that this is a subject of debate... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. +1 n/t |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. So suicide prevention is considered torture by the UN ? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Being in a straight jacket is more uncomfortable than being naked... and thats still not torture. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
105. It comes nowhere close to fitting the UN defintion of torture. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #105 |
121. Read the defintion as per the UN and then get back to me... m'kay? |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
117. Totally agree with you |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
119. Evil is only evil when evil people do it, of course. |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
103. Sleeping naked is not torture |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
104. If Bush was still President would the number of people who voted no would be the same? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. If Bush had only authorized nude sleeping and solitary confinement, it would have been 100% fine. |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
108. Where's the option for |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
110. In my personal case, yes. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
111. Wrong and abusive, but not torture... |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. wrong, abusive and torturous |
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