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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:10 PM Original message |
Why (I believe) the Democratic Party must be aggressively liberal and progressive to actually WIN |
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northoftheborder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Very excellent analysis. Who and how to restate and relate to people????? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. recommend |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. i would rather say it's not by failure but by design: |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I think it's a result of inbreeding |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The reason for the Democratic Party.... |
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NV Whino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely! |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. KNR! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. The way the right did it was to start unglamorous at the bottom |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I think you are making a gross generalization |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. What progressives are elected to what offices? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Apples and Oranges.....And you don't seem to want to see a lot |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. +1000000 it took the rethugs 30+ years |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. Oh I love the "Unrecs" with no counter comments |
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musiclawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
12. Everything you say is true. But.... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That is my point |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You hit the truth right here: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. "Obama did it in 2008 and won.....But he yet again moved to the center-right as President" |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. First of all....You focused on ONE paragraph about Obama |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Hmmm? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Maybe you might stop looking for excuses -- Unless you like where we are |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Wait |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Um, no national issues? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. "Um, no national issues" |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Was there a national Republican Presidential campaign? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Who said there was? You admit there was no national campaign. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. On a sunny day the sky looks blue. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Does that mean you can't come up with a relevant rebuttal? n/t |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You can do better than that.....You didn't rebut that the sky looks blue |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. It worked for the R's in gaining a majority in the House and gains in the Senate |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. What helped the Republicans |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. One of many reasons....Control of Congress being another |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. "And one might ask why Democratic gubernatorial candidates didn't inspire turnout?" |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You forgot Deval Patrick |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Deval Patrick |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Oh gosh, You were right and I was wrong...somehow. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. LOL... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. I remember Rachel Maddow covering the GOP "national campaign" story multiple times. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. There is no way to win the presidency without winning INDEPENDENTS. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Defeatism |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. If you don't why we have a Democratic Party, why are you on Democratic Underground? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Because I believe in many aspects of the Democratic Party but don't agree with everything |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Ok. You changed your story. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Didn't change anything |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
50. So the way to win is to stand for nothing? To stand for Rape-Publican values? What? |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
32. i think dems too often treat the situation as a political battle, where it should be an ideological |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. It's a chicken and egg situation |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Ideology needs to come before the candidate. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. +1 |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. Messaging is only part of it. Until we get rid of alot of the money in politics, we're never going |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I agree partly....That's why I referred to candidates who break out of that straightjacket |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
44. K&R |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. "You speak to ('centrists') the same way you speak to your base: you discuss progressive values..." |
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