So let's primary Obama

[prolesunited]

and beat him with whom? What's the end game here? Serious question.

[RandomThoughts]

1. Beer and travel money and many experiances.

With more justice and compassion for society.

[Autumn]

2. I'm all for the justice and compassion for society and

the beer money. Oh yeah and the primary thing too, I just don't see anyone stepping up to the plate though.

[dennis4868]

3. Yes...

let's primary him for doing this www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

[panader0]

4. I'm so disappointed in him

That I almost scraped my bumper sticker off today. There are so many things that I wish he had been more progressive about.
I wanted the US out of the wars, number 1.
I wanted the repeal of the tax breaks for the rich, number 2.
I wanted universal health care, number 3. (That could have been paid for by numbers 1 and 2)
I wanted jobs created on a Roosevelt scale, number 4. (That could have been paid for by numbers 1 and 2)
And much more.
But I didn't scrape the sticker off. Sadly, I can see no better candidate that could be elected.
I still am glad McCain and Palin aren't in charge, and I see no Repub with a chance of beating Obama.
But please Mr. President, represent your base.

[cliffordu]

12. ALMOST SCRAPED YOUR BUMPER STICKER OFF??? OMFG!!!!

:rofl:

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[vaberella]

41. Let rus through what you just said.

Obama never said he would get out of Afghanistan. He always said Afghanistan was a priority. However, He has ended the war in Iraq and there are only 50,000 troops who are on their way home this summer. Afghanistan will have a breakdown of troops this summer.

You can't repeal Bush tax cuts for the rich. You allow them to expire, which results in an expiration of Bush tax cuts for the middle class and poor. The legislation failed TWICE in the House. Why don't you blame the House Dem Congressmen who said they would not support a measure to allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire. Obama needed to move on with the budget in order to finally get an okay on DADT. Congressmen weren't getting anything done so he went with this. I'm sure you are aware of this. You must have read the articles, but you still push these two tire false memes----that you are dissatisfied when there is nothing to be dissatisfied with, at least not with the President.

No.3. He advocated and came through a stepping stone to universal health care (don't confused universal health care with single payer). Single payer was never going to happen. And the PO flopped due to Democrats in the Senate--who loudly proclaimed they would rather let HCR die than allow the PO to go through.

Ay?! Give me the legislative body Roosevelt had and maybe we could have gotten that done. Roosevelt even had Republicans who supported his measure. Roosevelt didn't stand alone. He had 90% of the Congress behind him. Many of them didn't care about ideology and Roosevelt was also lucky because he was White. Don't assume that congress is not racist---because there's plenty to go around. Maybe if Obama didn't have Republicans trying to create his waterloo, ConservaDems who thought he was spending too much (you're thinking he's not spending enough), and overall majority of them are not liberals---I don't know what you expected.

He's representing the base. The base however is as misguided, and poorly uninformed as the rest of society.

[former9thward]

47. Why are troops still dying in combat operations in Iraq if the war has "ended"?

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[Smarmie Doofus]

6. If no prominent elected DEM comes forth...

... we can and should look and think outside the box: journalism, academia, the arts.

[prolesunited]

7. And that person is going to win the general election?

Should we have someone in mind before trashing his candidacy?

[Smarmie Doofus]

9. That would be ideal.

However, if he/she succeeds only in keeping Obama ..........ummmmm... hate to say it 'cause it sounds so ridiculous at this point, ... "honest", that's better than no challenge at all.

Yes?

>>>Should we have someone in mind before trashing his candidacy?>>>

What do you mean?

[midnight]

8. Exactly. Obama has banks/insurance co. pouring their money into him....

Who in their right mind can win a race against corporate money? Got me.... This next race is going to be the race of the corporations on steroids. They have taken our tax payer bailouts and stock piled it to buy them the best... corporate interests have Sara, Mit, Jeb, etc.... on the side lines. What is going to be crazy, is that Obama has served their fears lock stock and barrel.... I can't wait for them to say how he didn't measure up.... Just wow... Obama has matched Sara's Godliness, Mit's insurance give away, and Jebs, well I don't know about jeb...Education B.S., But Obama has been a better Reaganite than any of them could ever be.... I want them to prove me wrong.... In this fashion,Reagan fashion, Obama is going to win the chess game....

[RBInMaine]

13. Thanks for the fringeland hyperbole.

[ClarkUSA]

15. Prove it.

[Pirate Smile]

31. That is insane. I'm hoping sarcasm otherwise just nuts.

[Ikonoklast]

38. You asserted, now prove. Show your numbers.

What you state must by law all be public record. If there are corporations that took taxpayer money and then used it to fund political donations, show us who and how much.

Back up your B.S. with some cold, hard numbers.

The most progressive president in decades and you crap all over him.

[arcane1]

10. Good point! I'd rather our national attention be focused on local races

If we've learned anything from the past few weeks, it's that!! From the Governors on down to the local dog-catchers.

[prolesunited]

11. You mean you aren't going to accuse me of being a sellout

and a bad liberal? :-)

Funny I haven't gotten much of a response from those who are consistently opposed to Obama. If there's a strategy, I can be persuaded. Lay out the plan.

[arcane1]

21. Well maybe, if you're into that kind of thing ;)

But seriously, I'm not sure the R's even want to win in 2012. He's their best "Goldstein" since OBL, and they've been able to use that threat to quietly do their local evil, and sadly they also know that he's taking care of some of their national needs :evilfrown:

So yeah, despite the fact that I think he's doing exactly the job I expected out of any elected president in modern times, I think a primary would be energy better spent locally. Get solid progressives in the governor's mansions, the state houses, the district attorneys and judges, the local supervisors and the FREAKIN' SCHOOL BOARDS!!!

Oops, I got a little carried away :)

[prolesunited]

29. As long as you don't break out into song and dance,

you're OK. Well, maybe a guitar chorus.

[RBInMaine]

14. Obama = Most Progressive Legislation Since LBJ Easily - No One Can Touch Him

[obamafourmore]

24. Facts. Nonsense. You don't use facts here. It's against the rules.

[RBInMaine]

16. Kucinich and Sanders are out. They are too conservative. Voted for the healthcare bill.

[ClarkUSA]

22. Feingold is WAY too conservative: only Dem to vote WITH Republicans against Wall Street reform.

[obamafourmore]

26. Jane Humster 2012!!!

[craigmatic]

18. Beating him shouldn't be the issue. The goal of the process should be to force him to the left.

It worked for Truman in '48.

[prolesunited]

20. And what happened when that strategy

was tried again?

[craigmatic]

33. In '48 when the party split between dixiecrats, progressives, and Truman Truman won because he went

to the left on civil rights and desegregated the military.

[prolesunited]

42. No, I was referring to 1980

when Kennedy challenged Carter, who emerged so weakened, that Reagan trounced him. I'm guessing history would repeat itself, with half of DU cheering it on.

Not one person here has presented a viable strategy for replacing Obama and still winning in 2012.

[craigmatic]

45. The '80 election is the standard by which we judge these things but it is a flawed standard.

First Obama isn't President Carter because President Carter had terrible relations with the democrats in D.C. and had an international crisis on his hands at the time. Also the 1980 was the deathrattle year for the New Deal coalition. Now we have a president who has more D.C. support and he's more in control of his own coalition than Carter was. He's also facing no international crisis. Carter had a third party candidate to face along with reagan. Now the repubs are more splintered than we are and if there is a 3rd party challenge it's going to come from the right which would hurt repubs worse. Also you miss the obvious example of 2008 when Obama faced a strong challenge from Clinton. It made him a stronger candidate as a result.

[quaker bill]

28. Not this time.

He would go to the center, in fact he is already doing so.

[craigmatic]

34. No he should go left. People want the government to do more not less.

If he wants to have any sort of mandate to do anything when he wins at all he has to go left. If he just runs to the center to win he might win but there will be no mandate. This is a situation different from Clinton because the republicans in 96 hadn't overreached yet and they were more reasonable by comparison. Now they're unreasonable and so ideological they border on insane. Obama can afford to go to the left in a way that Clinton couldn't. He just has to pick his leftist spots. For example he can be liberal on union rights because it'll fire up dems in the midwest. He could also stake out a liberal position against cuts in social security, medicare, and medicaid. That would not only protect those programs for people who need them but also put republicans on the defensive against their own elderly base.

[Skink]

19. Biden should retire and pave the way for Grayson to join the ticket.

when I voted for Obama part of my reasoning was that maybe just maybe in 8 years we could get a progressive in the white house.

[obamafourmore]

25. Grayson? The man who couldn't win his House race? Yea, he will be president for sure.

[obamafourmore]

23. Yes, let's!! I say Glen Greenwald should run against him!

You all live in la-la-land. You really think that anyone out there really cares what 200 people here thinks.

[killbotfactory]

27. Endgame? Time and money spent not fighting republicans.

[MadMaddie]

30. Many forget that there were the Blue Dogs and the Repugs that hamstringed

a lot of legislation. Now we have the Repugs trying to turn back the clock like it's.....Juniors years.....

The key is to vote in Progressive Democrats into a super majority and then we would so more things pass the way we want them. It is grassroots.

[young but wise]

32. Exactly.

[golfguru]

35. Dr and Gov Howard Dean n/t

[Ikonoklast]

43. Dean is a centrist, maybe even a little to the right of Obama on some matters.

Are you stating you want a challenge to Obama from the right?


How Dean got a reputation on DU as some sort of far leftist never ceases to amaze me.

Look at his record as governor.

[opihimoimoi]

36. Why let the GOPers back in the saddle???

[cliffordu]

37. For some, even here, I believe that is the goal.

So much rancor and out and out hatred, so little time.....

[opihimoimoi]

40. If ya can Fool...ya can RULE,,,first they lie cheat steal...then Intimidate, Dominate....goal is to

SUBJUGATE....

PURE FASCISM IS UPON US

Grab your torches & pitchforks...

[shotten99]

39. What's the worst that could happen? President Scott Walker?

[jefferson_dem]

44. Greenwald / Hamsher 2012.

Our only hope!

[Azathoth]

46. Right-wing treason! Everyone knows it has to be Chomsky/Hamsher with Greenwald as Chief Justice! nt