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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:07 AM
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Ohio - Kasich & SB 5: "Huge buyers remorse" "Dems did this to themselves" 2012=2008 not 2010
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 10:11 AM by Pirate Smile
Ppppolls tweets:

ppppolls The damage Dems' lack of enthusiasm did last year may be best thing that could have happened to Obama: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls In OH those who didn't vote last fall go Strickland 57-13. Similar in WI. Dems did this to themselves: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls Kasich would lose a rematch to Ted Strickland right now 55-40, huge buyers remorse: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls Kasich incredibly unpopular- 35% approve, 54% disapprove: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls Key in Ohio: non-union households support collective bargaining by 18 points, SB 5 repeal by 6: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls 63% in Ohio support collective bargaining for public employees, 52% right to strike: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4

ppppolls Senate Bill 5 in Ohio may not be around for long- 54% support repeal to 31% who would let it stand: http://tinyurl.com/4ghapx4



Brutal numbers for Kasich, SB 5

Ohio Senate Bill 5 may not be in effect for very long...54% of voters in the state say they'd repeal it in an election later this year while just 31% say they'd vote to let the bill stand.
The support for repealing SB 5 is reflective of a high level of support for unions and workers in Ohio, more so than we saw in Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago. 63% of voters in the state supportive collective bargaining for public employees to only 29% who oppose it. 52% of voters think public employees should have the right to strike, to 42% who think they should not. And 65% think public employees should have the same rights they do now- or more- while only 32% believe they should have fewer rights.


There are two things particularly notable in the crosstabs on all of these questions. The first is that non-union households are supportive of the public employees. 54% support their collective bargaining rights to 36% in opposition and 44% say they would vote to repeal SB 5 to 38% who would let it stand. Obviously that level of support is not nearly as high as among union households but it still shows that the workers have even most of the non-union public behind them.

The other thing that's worth noting is the independents. A lot of attention has been given to the way what's been going on in Ohio and Wisconsin is galvanizing the Democratic base, but it's also turning independents who were strongly supportive of the GOP in the Midwest last year back against the party. 62% of independents support collective bargaining for public employees to 32% opposed and 53% support repeal of SB 5 to 32% who would let it stand.

All of this is having an absolutely brutal effect on John Kasich's numbers. We find him with just a 35% approval rating and 54% of voters disapproving of him.
His approval with people who voted for him is already all the way down to 71%, while he's won over just 5% of folks who report having voted for Ted Strickland last fall. Particularly concerning for him is a 33/54 spread with independents.

Voters in the state are having significant buyers remorse about the results of last fall's election. In a rematch 55% say they would now vote for Ted Strickland to just 40% who would vote for Kasich.
Because this is a sample of all registered voters in the state and not just those who voted in last fall's Republican heavy electorate the self identified 2010 vote of this sample is 49% for Strickland and 46% for Kasich but that still suggests a 12 point movement toward Strickland among those surveyed over the last four months.

Of course the reality is that Democratic leaning voters did this to themselves to some extent. It's a small sample but among those who admit they didn't vote last fall, Strickland has a 57-13 advantage over Kaisch. It was a similar story in Wisconsin the other week where Tom Barrett led Scott Walker 59-22 among those who had stayed at home in 2010. Democratic voters simply did not understand the consequences- or didn't care- of their not voting last fall and they're paying the price right now. But the winners of that realization in the long run may be Barack Obama, Sherrod Brown, and Herb Kohl- these states are already looking politically a whole lot more like 2008 than 2010.


It's looking like a tough road ahead for Kasich.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/03/brutal-numbers-for-kasich-sb-5.html
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:10 AM
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1. recall his lame ass !...nt
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:28 AM
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8. We can't. Ohio law doesn't allow us to recall governors. We are stuck with him.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:49 PM
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17. There is no process at all to remove him?
Impeachment, vote of no confidence, nothing??
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:55 PM
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24. He didn't do anything impeachable. Unfortunately, being a total asshole doesn't qualify.
And we have a Republican ran state government from top to bottom here right now anyway. In Ohio, you can only recall municipal officials.

We do have some recourse though. We can collect signatures and force a lot of this shit he is trying to pass to go to a ballot vote and then vote all of it down. I think thats the only tactic we got and its actually a fairly good one.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 02:18 AM
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29. Rethug support odd in a state which is included in the description 'Rustbelt'
Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, N.J....when I was a kid Southerners were a mite 'jealous' of those Yankee states. Y'all had good paying jobs.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 10:36 AM
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34. Its Ohio. Its the swingiest swing state of em all.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 06:56 AM
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31. no need for a recall
large dem majorities in the legislature would do the trick.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:14 AM
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2. The question is if they support it enough to pay higher taxes.
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 10:17 AM by dkf
I would like to see polls on that.

Personally I think the American mentality is that people want things but don't want to pay for it. All these positions need to be posed as a decision on what people will support with more funding out of their pocket. That is the true indication of support.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:16 AM
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3. I eagerly await
the same results for Florida and Maine and Michigan.

Too much to hope for my own state, Texas. :(

Bravo, Ohio!

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:17 AM
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4. In '12, the '10 tables will be turned. K&R. n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:18 AM
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5. Look at it this way. Let us hope Democrats are learning taht
Elections have consequences. Also, this is first time
the Republicans have been so transparent in their desires
\and goals.

BE HONEST. Up until now, there would not be much difference
for the Working Class and Poor whether you had a Republican
or Democrat in Leadership. This is why over half the country
is so apathetic. The fact that the Republicans determined
this was the year and the election to really stick to and
implement their ideology has created a Shock and AWE unrivaled
in the past. It is up to the Democrats to decide just
how different they are from Republicans and have the
gumption to fight for their beliefs and principles.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:34 AM
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9. Let's hope so but anyone who paid attention knew letting Republicans take control was going to cause
enormous damage.

I don't agree with the idea that previously it didn't really matter whether it was a D or R in charge before now. There is a huge difference. I guess people didn't appreciate that. Hell, you can read DU any day and see that a lot of people here STILL don't appreciate that. It is infuriating and short-sighted and unbelievably counterproductive. That constant mantra spewed daily helped lead to the results in the 2010 election and they still haven't learned a damn thing from it.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 11:24 AM
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12. Here is what I am trying to say. Do Not Count This Election.
All I am saying is for the regular Americans who earn
under 50 grand a year, they did not see that much difference
in their day to day living. Sure by our standards there
is a difference. The Republicans might be more tightfisted
but they were careful not to push the envelope too far. Even
Republicans would throu out a bone every now and then.

The Shock and Awe came with election when the Republicans
decided to implement their ideology lock stock and barrel.
I would bet money people never believed the Republicans
would actually do it.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 11:34 AM
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14. I get what you are saying and it is true that this new bunch really wants to do a lot of
very unpopular things. They are popular with the Tea Party crowd but everyone else looks on in horror. They have shown that people can't assume they wont do the crazy stuff that Democrats have been warning voters that would do. They are more scared of the TeaBagger 25% then the other 75%.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:25 PM
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19. I 100% agree. Just hearing their rhetoric should have been enough.
But it was not. So it's more of a "hope" here.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:22 AM
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6. Between now and the next election, the damage these monsters are doing
is immense and may take decades to recover from, if at all.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:26 AM
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7. Except it was the wishy-washy, warm and mushy, spineless "swing voters" who didn't vote.
The Dem base voted.

NGU.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:35 AM
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10. when the choice is republicans or republican-lite, people stay home nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:33 PM
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20.  "repub or repub-lite" This is one disgusting meme, I'm really fuckin' tired of here on this site.
The difference between Barrett and Walker was very apparent. The difference between Paladino and Cuomo in New York was very apparent.

The diference between Kasich and Strickland was very apparent. You have issues with Obama, that's fine. But if you are looking at each state---and take in each person running for Governor or a legislative seat in each state for each party---you will see a mass difference between them.

So this meme of of a difference between Republicans and Republican-lite is utter BS. I am from New York and no fuckin' way is Cuomo Republican-lite.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:58 PM
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 06:12 AM
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30. You said it! So tired of that argument. There are huge differences
between having a governor that will strip worker's rights and one that will not. We have a Dem gov in CT and it was a close race. In no way would Gov. Malloy be anything like Tom Foley, the Repub that ran against him.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:35 AM
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11. Canvassing
should be easier next time in Ohio. I was out in the fall and people had their short memory caps on.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 11:33 AM
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:02 PM
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15. gee a "former" rethug who told dems not to vote
And now we are all screwed because many listening to them


Just what side is Big Ed on again?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:41 PM
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16. Let Ed look at his checkbook first, and he'll get back to you.
Ed is out for Ed.

Anyone that tells his listeners not to get out and vote needs to kicked in the nuts.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:33 PM
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21. Most don't see him as a former "rethug" though. n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:41 PM
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23. So would you rather they follow Dennis Miller's model, and...
...switch from being Dems to being Rape-Publicans?

:crazy:

NGU.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:57 PM
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 10:10 AM
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33. Yeap, the professional left fucked everyone good...they have to get off their damn thrones for a sec
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:20 PM
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18. Since Johnny Closet isn't up for re-election until 2014,
this doesn't seem to make much difference. They can do enough damage by then to ruin the state for a generation.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:39 PM
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22. come one Ohio, why can't you recall this asshole too?
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 02:04 PM
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27. kick
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:44 PM
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28. Kick
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:39 AM
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32. Correct
POTUS is right now grooming a brand new unicorn to ride.
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