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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:42 AM
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So, of the past 30 years, the least warmongering US President was...
Ronald Reagan. Who would have thunk it. We thought he loved war in the 80's with his smatterings of bombings, but every President since has gotten us into more military action and more military related US casualties. So sad.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:45 AM
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1. Carter.
I don't remember him invading a country or bombing them.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:49 AM
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4. Carter is not of the last 30 years
n/t
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:46 AM
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2. Well, now we know why the RPGS luv him. They're peacemongers at heart.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:48 AM
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3. delete
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 02:49 AM by Ter
Wrong reply.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:58 AM
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5. Thirty years sounds like a long time but that is only four presidents ago.
How about out of the last 5 presidents who was the most peaceful.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 03:02 AM
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6. Reagan
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 03:02 AM by Ter
The last five presidents were Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Poppy Bush, and Reagan. Damn, you failed in your math twice in this thread. :)
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 03:14 AM
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7. Damn the liberal wuss reagen.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 03:17 AM
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8. Uhh. What about the mining of Nicaraguan harbors for which the US was fined $18 BILLION and never
paid? Covert war against the democratically elected government of Nicaragua. Death squads in El Salvador? Saint Ronnie's hands are not free of blood by any means.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 03:39 AM
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9. Thank you.
For a minute there, I thought I was in the wrong parallel universe.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 04:50 AM
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11. I'm not defending it...
But it still pales in comparison to Panama, Iraq War 1, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq War 2, and the continuation.
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 04:19 AM
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10. War mongering is not working with the UN in response to a gross violation
War mongering is storming in with an incredibly shaky 'coalition' entirely illegally and on the basis of a lie like Bush, or sticking your fingers into the many dubious pies Reagan did.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 04:58 AM
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12. Reagan was thankfully hemmed in by the Soviet Union.
I'm not shy about saying it: two superpowers was better than one when it comes to world peace and security. Thankfully, the US position is slipping precipitously in the past ten years and there is no economic basis for continued adventures.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:04 AM
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13. List of military actions taken by Reagan
1981 – Libya. First Gulf of Sidra Incident On August 19, 1981, US planes based on the carrier USS Nimitz shot down two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra after one of the Libyan jets had fired a heat-seeking missile. The United States periodically held freedom of navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.

1982 – Sinai. On March 19, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of military personnel and equipment to participate in the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai. Participation had been authorized by the Multinational Force and Observers Resolution, Public Law 97-132.

1982 – Lebanon. Multinational Force in Lebanon. On August 21, 1982, President Reagan reported the dispatch of 800 Marines to serve in the multinational force to assist in the withdrawal of members of the Palestine Liberation force from Beirut. The Marines left September 20, 1982.

1982–83 – Lebanon. On September 29, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of 1200 marines to serve in a temporary multinational force to facilitate the restoration of Lebanese government sovereignty. On September 29, 1983, Congress passed the Multinational Force in Lebanon Resolution (P.L. 98-119) authorizing the continued participation for eighteen months.

1983 – Egypt. After a Libyan plane bombed a city in Sudan on March 18, 1983, and Sudan and Egypt appealed for assistance, the United States dispatched an AWACS electronic surveillance plane to Egypt.

1983 – Grenada. Citing the increased threat of Soviet and Cuban influence and noting the development of an international airport following a bloodless Grenada coup d'ιtat and alignment with the Soviets and Cuba, the U.S. launches Operation Urgent Fury to invade the sovereign island nation of Grenada.

1983–89 – Honduras. In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed US military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops.

1983 – Chad. On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces.

1984 – Persian Gulf. On June 5, 1984, Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes, aided by intelligence from a US AWACS electronic surveillance aircraft and fueled by a U.S. KC-10 tanker, shot down two Iranian fighter planes over an area of the Persian Gulf proclaimed as a protected zone for shipping.

1985 – Italy. On October 10, 1985, US Navy pilots intercepted an Egyptian airliner and forced it to land in Sicily. The airliner was carrying the hijackers of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro who had killed an American citizen during the hijacking.

1986 – Libya. Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) On March 26, 1986, President Reagan reported on March 24 and 25, US forces, while engaged in freedom of navigation exercises around the Gulf of Sidra, had been attacked by Libyan missiles and the United States had responded with missiles.

1986 – Libya. Operation El Dorado Canyon On April 16, 1986, President Reagan reported that U.S. air and naval forces had conducted bombing strikes on terrorist facilities and military installations in the Libyan capitol of Tripoli, claiming that Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi was responsible for a bomb attack at a German disco that killed two U.S. soldiers.

1986 – Bolivia. U.S. Army personnel and aircraft assisted Bolivia in anti-drug operations.

1987 – Persian Gulf. USS Stark was struck on May 17 by two Exocet antiship missiles fired from an Iraqi F-1 Mirage during the Iran-Iraq War killing 37 US Navy sailors.

1987 – October 19, Operation Nimble Archer – attack on two Iranian oil platforms in the Persian Gulf by United States Navy forces. The attack was a response to Iran's October 16, 1987 attack on the MV Sea Isle City, a reflagged Kuwaiti oil tanker at anchor off Kuwait, with a Silkworm missile.

1987–88 – Persian Gulf. ] - After the Iran-Iraq War (the Tanker War phase) resulted in several military incidents in the Persian Gulf, the United States increased US joint military forces operations in the Persian Gulf and adopted a policy of reflagging and escorting Kuwaiti oil tankers through the Persian Gulf to protect them from Iraqi and Iranian attacks. President Reagan reported that US ships had been fired upon or struck mines or taken other military action on September 21 (Iran Ajr), October 8, and October 19, 1987 and April 18 (Operation Praying Mantis), July 3, and July 14, 1988. The United States gradually reduced its forces after a cease-fire between Iran and Iraq on August 20, 1988. It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.<5>

1987–88 – Operation Prime Chance was a United States Special Operations Command operation intended to protect U.S. -flagged oil tankers from Iranian attack during the Iran-Iraq War. The operation took place roughly at the same time as Operation Earnest Will.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:40 AM
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18. It's terrible, I am not disagreeing
But it's less than what came after him. His list might be longer, but most were quasi and the casualties were fewer.
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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:05 AM
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14. What about Reagan's proxy wars he waged all over Central America and Afghanistan?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:02 AM
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16. Reagan ordered Grenada to be invaded.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:09 AM
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15. What a load of BS
Reagan deployed first strike nuclear weapons in east europe. The fact that he did not use them is nice, but the act was warmongering.

Reagan engaged in multiple proxy wars, training and funding the Contras and death squads in mulitple countries in central america. Ollie North ran this operation from the Whitehouse. The fact that uniformed service members were not directly involved in the fighting does not mean the acts were less warmongering. Reagan supported numerous right wing dictators around the globe in the violent oppression of citizen uprisings through providing technical advice and direct military aid, all of it warmongering as well. Military casualties are a valid measure, but not the only one that should be applied.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:30 AM
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17. you need some new material.
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