interesting to see how the liberals are being marginalized by the WH and congress

[Lerkfish]

on a bill the right supposedly never wanted in the first place.


its bizarro world.

its also intersting to see DU attempt to marginalized liberal concerns.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I'm a liberal and I don't feel marginalized at all.

And I'd question any liberal siding with the Republicans and the health insurance industry in trying to kill HCR.

[Lerkfish]

2. ?

empty and false accusation, my friend.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. You're really in no position...

to be accusing anybody of making empty and false accusations.

[Lerkfish]

6. ok, how liberal are you?

I have not said to throw away the bill.


how do you feel about war, torture, and health care? Do you support corporations over voters?

[Larkspur]

5. Then you stand with Joe Lieberman

The White House is run by corporatists and Lieberman did the dirty work for them.

[Lerkfish]

7. LOL! I was going to post that myself

since "liberal" is a worse word than "lieberman" to some

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. I stand with Barack Obama and proponents of HCR.

I stand with Howard Dean of 2004, before he became two-faced on the issue.

I stand with all of the people who've been denied coverage from pre-existing conditions, or those who've lost coverage with recission.

I stand against the health insurance companies, the Glenn Becks, the Rush Limbaughs, the Boehners, the Sarah Palins, the John McCains, the GOP, and anybody else who would kill this bill.

[Lerkfish]

10. You seem to be woefully misinformed

the health care industry is breaking out the champagne right now -- mandatory insurance with no public option, an allowable annual cap and no antitrust regulation.

why would the health care and insurance lobbys not like the bill in its current form?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. The health care industry wants to kill the HCR bill.

That's why they're still lobbying the GOP to stop it.

It's still a defeat for the insurance industry, not as big a defeat as the bill with the public option, but a defeat nonetheless.

[Lerkfish]

16. like I said, you're woefully misinformed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. I know you're saying it.

That's why you're absurd.

[Larkspur]

25. If you stand with Obama, then you stand with a corporatist

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Can the McCarthyism.

I ain't buying.

[Lerkfish]

39. interesting choice of epithet.

[freddie mertz]

35. I stand with the Howard Dean of today.

Who just happens to be the same guy he always was.

Is is why the Neo-Republican Faux-Democrats have always hated him.

Meanwhile, I have trouble believing that you EVER stood with him, in 2004 or since.

[ima_sinnic]

14. awww, now people like Howard Dean are "trying to kill HCR"

yeah, I'm 63, self-employed, and uninsured, and I join with Howard Dean in killing mandated robbery.
kindly take your repuke talking point and SHOVE IT

on edit: oh, and by the way, you wouldn't know "liberal" if it bit you in the ass. Now, all of a sudden, it's "cool" to call yourself a "liberal," eh?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Isn't he?

He's on the talk shows, demanding the bill be killed. THAT is a repuke talking point.

You can't have it both ways.

[ima_sinnic]

19. he says kill the bill, not "kill HCR'

but you already knew that

repukes are good at twisting words--you knew that too

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Same thing.

Republicans are good at false dichotomies.

[ima_sinnic]

37. so now Howard Dean and I are both "Republicans"

welcome to Ignore, moron.

You obviously have nothing intelligent to say, so why should I waste my time reading your crap?
I've noticed you on here for a while now, and you are a fucking jerk--and that's putting it mildly.
Fake small-d democrats like you are a dime a dozen--cheap shitty fakes.
The fact that you "don't feel marginalized" tells me everything I need to know. Go kiss Lieberman's ass.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. No, Ima.

You're just carrying their water for them.

[ima_sinnic]

20. today you're a "liberal," but tomorrow you'll be mocking "liberals"

you can't have it both ways

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. No, I won't. I've never mocked liberals.

Freepers posing as liberals, sure, but not liberals.

[Mithreal]

45. Oh, and you get to decide the posers, sure.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Yeah.

I do.

[Mithreal]

55. Just checkin

[polichick]

29. LOL

[librechik]

43. how did you feel when they announced Single Payer Off the Table before any debate?

That didn't make you feel like, Hey, liberals are being left out of this debate?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. I felt like I understood the basics of American politics.

Because clearly Single Payer had no chance in getting 60 votes.

[NorthCarolina]

49. And why do you think that is? Clearly American are overwhelmingly in favor

of single payer. Is it not the duty of elected officials to enact the will of a majority of their constituents?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Americans elected Joe Lieberman.

Americans elected Boehner and McCain and all the other opponents of HCR. Your state gave us Richard Burr, thank you very much. This is how American politics. It's not some fantasy land.

[NorthCarolina]

51. Sure, voters elected all of them. The point I was trying to make

is since a clear majority of Americans (aka the constituents of these elected officials) want Single Payer, is it not the duty of these elected representatives to enact legislation that reflects the will of the people that elected them? I believe that is the way our Government is supposed to work and you call that "fantasy land"??? No wonder our country is so screwed up.

[Mithreal]

44. I am uncertain you even know what it means, no offense.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. None taken.

Your opinion doesn't matter to me.

[Mithreal]

56. And if I am right? Would I think you would care? I better answer.

no

[Parker CA]

4. It seems clear the the WH has drifted off-message due to their frustration with the way things are

unfolding. They do themselves no favors by attacking someone like Dean.

[Cha]

8. "Concerns"? I've hidden too many threads lashing out

with stupid hate. I have no problem with liberal concerns.

[Lerkfish]

12. what is your distinction between the two?

I think applying the word "hate" says a lot of about how receptive you are to concerns.

[Cha]

21. I know obnoxious hate when I see and it's a turn off.

I didn't hide your thread so you don't really know how receptive I am.

[Lerkfish]

26. that doesn't really tell me anything about your criteria, only that you're the sole arbiter

of what is hate and what is not.

[Cha]

34. Yeah, whatever.

[Lerkfish]

38. so, is that your example of a hateful response?

afraid to answer my question, I see.

[treestar]

36. Why are you the sole arbiter of "liberal?"

[Armstead]

13. You have no problem with liberal concerns?

How about actually supporting them and defending them?

That seems symptomatic of what has hapopened to the democratic Party. Instead of actyually standing for liberalism, it tolerates them as a necessary evil they must put up with to win elections. The rest of the time? Feh.

[Cleita]

11. Interesting especially since we are still the majority and

we are still being ruled by the minority. There is no way in a sane world that seven senators should be dictating the terms that are contrary to what the majority of Americans want.

[SIMPLYB1980]

22. Is the bad man keeping you down?

:cry:

[damntexdem]

23. So what's so interesting about business as usual?

What's new?

[rudy23]

24. I think that marginalization comes from the top.

They're trying to squeeze Progressives (60+% of the country) out of the party and redefine it as the DLC's party.

Have any of you ever met someone who supported the DLC outside of Washington? Why would anyone who claimed to be a Democrat choose that route unless they were similarly compromised?

[polichick]

31. As a lifelong liberal and Dem activist, I think it's time for us to stop sticking with the team...

Either the party changes its ways or we should give our support to another.

[Dinger]

33. That Is The Bottom Line (nt)

[ima_sinnic]

42. I'm with you on that (nt)

[DCBob]

32. Only irrational liberals are being "marginalized" ...

Pragmatic liberals have seats at the table.

[ShortnFiery]

40. The WH best not be looking for this liberal when they need a donation in 2012. eom

[IndianaGreen]

41. This what they did to us on the lead up to Iraq War

[amborin]

52. yes

[kixat2550]

54. sad, isn't it?