Look how the birthers are trying to set an unprovable standard

[CreekDog]

1) show *your* birth certificate to prove you're a citizen --but there's more!

2) your parents must be citizens...ergo: show their birth certificates --yes BOTH! (and what if they don't wanna, what if they can't, etc. etc.)?

3) say you only have one of your parents' birth certificates --too bad, that's not enough.

4) what if your parents' birth certificates aren't in a format the birthers want, etc. etc.

While it's true all these efforts will likely get struck down in the courts.

In the meantime, they will serve as a basis to raise doubts, doubts that no amount of proof could overcome --the knuckleheads supporting this probably don't know this, but the man behind the curtain (pay no attention to him); he knows what he's doing.

(and I am using the example of someone whose parents *are*/*were* citizens to show how this isn't really about proving citizenship...it's about casting doubts/aspersions on people who actually do meet their ridiculous standards of citizenship)

[JoePhilly]

1. Their efforts will never be taken seriously for exactly the reason you mention.

Almost no one can meet it.

I can't.

Sure, I have an original version of my birth certificate (not called that on its title). Has my foot prints on it.

I think my mother has hers. My father died when I was 20. That was 27 years ago. I don't have his original, not even a copy. My mother doesn't either.

Meanwhile, both my parents were born in the US, and where their parents.

My wife has her original from Florida (1964). It looks like a kid make it in art class.

My original has all of the "weathering" around the edges ... but in today's world, faking it would be easy.

Add to this that each state gets to define its own "birth records". Which means if one state certifies that you were born there, THE END. So as an example, if Hawaii says Obama was born there, the State of Tennessee has ZERO STANDING to claim otherwise. The US Constitution is the only standard. And so, if any state says you ARE a citizen, its game over.

The entire effort is a right wing masturbatory fantasy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. I hope you're right.

[benddem]

2. they haven't figured out yet

that they are leaving out anyone whose house and records have been burned down, people in NOLA and Mississippi during Katrina (or any flood) whose homes were washed away, any one who is adopted. Typical of repugnicans...lets just make a law cause we want to.

[kiranon]

3. My mom had no birth certificate. Lumber camp where born in 1915

didn't exist for very long and there were no formal records of births at the camp in Upper Michigan along the Canadian border. When applying for social security, she had to get statements from people who were still alive and remembered her birth and her parents. All four of my grandparents were immigrants. Finding birth certificates for parents or themselves would be impossible for many people.

[tammywammy]

4. I don't meet their standards

I only have a Texas birth certificate that my mom must have requested before I went into kindergarten.

[Bake]

5. Fortunately, their "standard" is not the LAW.

Much as they might wish otherwise.

Bake

[CreekDog]

6. yeah but they still get half of what they want, even without the law

:wtf:

[yellowcanine]

7. Who has birth certificates from both parents? Hardly anyone over age 40, I would guess.

I don't think my Mom has one - never thought to ask. And I am really sure there is none from my Dad - he was born at home in Northern Michigan in 1920 and I doubt if one was ever issued.

[rasputin1952]

8. I know my father was born in NYC and my mother in MD...

I can't even find records from government entities of my father being in WWII, his Death Certificate, (4Jul1965), even where he's buried is not available on line, although it is with his parents in Brooklyn. For some, it is not easy to get the "required" documentation. Record keeping, if any records were kept at all, was pathetic in many instances. If I had to prove my father's birth from two living witnesses, I would be in deep trouble, as they would have to be well over 110!

Most of the birthers would have a hard time producing documents and witnesses for what they require of others if they had to meet those requirements themselves...and if they did produce the appropriate documentation, I'd just say, "how do I know these aren't forgeries?"

[opihimoimoi]

9. People of the Future wll shake their heads in wonder when reviewing this senario

As we review WW2 and the Battle of Stalingrad...and use the data to see who and why mistakes were made...we see Hitler as an inept leader of the Generals...who normally do not get micro managing from the top...make series of blunders and eventually...loses the war...

Such is the case of the current GOP...they are incapable of making good choices...too much drama, too many dominating wives of the Generals...

[theothersnippywshrub]

10. Birthers have meconium for brains.

The Actual True Birther Truth of Baby Obama's Birth.

Barrack Hussein Obama was born in a jet propelled hot air balloon sometime between January 1959 and October 1964. It is possible that he was born in August of 1961. The attending physician was from Papua New Guinea. The identity of the physician has caused leading Republicans to ask the question: "Which Doctor?" This has caused the Republican party some embarrassment probably due to the Republican doctrinal hatred of, and institutional bias against, homophones.

Obama's mother may have been his younger half-sister and his father may have been Sun Yat-sen, neither of whom was born in Hawaii although both have Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth, as not explained below. It also is possible that Obama's father was his grandfather. Or maybe Malcolm X. Or maybe Ronald Reagan (this would cause Republicans' heads to explode resulting in massive Republican rectal trauma.)

As for the location of baby Obama's birth, the baby's head emerged from the mother's birth canal while the hot air balloon was in Hawaiian airspace. The balloon then traveled to Indonesian airspace where the baby's torso emerged, and from there the balloon went to Kenyan airspace where the baby's legs and feet were delivered. Because of the protracted time lapse during baby Obama'a birth, the other occupants of the balloon were heard to exclaim: BIRTH! . . Er . . . . BIRTH! . . Er . . . . BIRTH! . . Er. Oddly enough, this chant was destined to become part of the Republican Party orthodoxy many years later.

Once baby Obama's birth was complete, the balloon headed toward Canada. That's right ! Canada ! ! The umbilical cord was cut in international airspace. This bears repeating: the umbilical cord was cut in international airspace ! ! ! Under both state and federal law as it existed at the time, this means that Obama was not Constitutionally eligible to become president of the Harvard Law Review. However, since life begins at conception according to Republicans, and since baby Obama was conceived in Hawaii which nearly everyone concedes was then and still is part of this country, Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.

Upon arrival in Canada, the one day old baby Obama spent somewhere from 37 minutes to 42 minutes being indoctrinated into Socialism (he was highly intelligent and a quick learner with a remarkable APGAR score which has always infuriated Republicans, him being black and all.) There are no records or any evidence whatsoever indicating that baby Obama received any Socialist health care while in Canada, which can mean only one thing. Baby Obama must have received Socialist health care while in Canada and he vowed then and there that someday he would bring Socialist health care to some other unnamed country. And that is two things. The significance of this is both obvious and ominous. Also two things. Hence, this is doubling damning evidence of something.

The hot air balloon then headed to an undisclosed location in Washington state (in another country which shall remain unnamed for security reasons) where baby Obama went directly to the world famous Forged Birth Certificates and BBQ Bazaar. There baby Obama purchased three forged Hawaiian birth certificates (one each for himself, his mother and his father) in all the short form, long form, vault copy, balance beam copy, colby, swiss, and other variations which have been fully, though never clearly, described on the internets. (Probably because the tubes are clogged.) He got the Anti-Christ volume discount of course since his umbilical cord was cut in international airspace. He also purchased 139 different Social Security numbers for future nefarious use. He did not get the Lou Dobbs volume discount on this purchase since that requires a purchase of at least 144 Social Security numbers. While at the Forged Birth Certificates and BBQ Bazaar, baby Obama also had the ribs with a side of slaw (child's portion and price.)

The hot air balloon now began its triumphant return to Hawaii. Upon arrival in Honolulu, baby Obama immediately called Australia to arrange for the creation of certain documents which might become important to someone many years later. He also made arrangements with future Hawaiian government officials concerning statements they would make in 2008 and 2009 about his birth. Baby Obama then got jobs at two different Hawaiian newspapers. He was in charge of handling birth announcements and operating the printing presses. The printing press jobs were union, so this obviously is when Obama became a communist. He often would arrive home from work covered in black printer's ink, which left Oily Taintz in his bathwater. The printer's ink likely is the basis for leading Republicans later referring to Obama as a "little, black man-child" since such a reference could not possibly be due to Republican racism or bigotry.

Shortly thereafter, baby Obama began teething. While no definitive conclusions can be drawn from this fact, it is highly suspicious since it is well documented that some babies born in Africa, in the same year baby Obama was born, began teething at approximately the same age. It was also during this period of his life that he may have worn muslin diapers, which probably explains why some Republicans have accused him of being "muslin." Also, too, sometime either before or after his birth, or sometime since then too, Obama began hanging around with terriers also. As Obama grew older he attended some of the finest schools in the world, possibly including Hogwarts, which may explain why Republicans now call him the "Magic Negro."

The rest of the United States of America and the world call him Mr. President.

[Keith Bee]

11. Once we have a white President again.....

...you know damn well the birthers will vanish into thin air

[Keith Bee]

12. Even if his name is Groflak Ulavonkryys

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. You got that right. But who do you think is behind this latest birther push?

HINT: it's not "The Donald"

[StarsInHerHair]

13. funny thing about these "birthers", hold them to their own standards & deport

the lot of them

[jenmito]

14. Birthers in Freeperville think to be president, both parents must've been born in the U.S.,

since THEY think "natural born citizens" means both parents had to be born here. They're wrong. They always link to RW sites that define it as THEY want it defined, but the Constitution says otherwise.