If McCain/Palin had been elected????

[NightWatcher]

Would the Left (Progressives, Dems, .....) be more unified instead of fractured so horribly as we are today?

Would thinking people be in the streets demanding a system wide change in politics instead of a bunch of racists carrying misspelled signs?

Would we see as a rapid visceral response to McSame and the anti-union, anti-teacher, anti-immigrant, anti-intellectual legislation, the election of a radical, Progressive Lefty.

I think before we see real change that we're going to have to steer into the skid and get a lot worse before people wake up. I'm not advocating voting repuke, we're still heading down the toilet, but it's just dragging out a little more than I wanted.

[BobbyBoring]

1. I doubt we'd even be here.

Palins minions would have prayed McCain to death and Momma griz would have started Armageddon just like God told her

[moobu2]

2. I think you're right.

[TheBigotBasher]

3. I would have volunteered to be his food tester.

With the exception of Raygun, Rethugs tend to pick assassin proof VPs. In the case of Raygun, Papa Bush was very close to the man who tried to assasinate him (dining the night before with his family close). In the case of Palin she knows Mccain has a weak heart so that creature would have been popping balloons evey day in the Whitehouse.

Hell, to save the planet from a bible spice presidency, I'd have volunteered my heart to the nasty old turd.

[yurbud]

16. actually, it seemed like Papa Bush started the life insurance VP thing with Quayle

which seemed like a creepy, indirect comment on the Reagan assassination attempt.

Dick Cheney was a variation on the theme: he protected Bush's life not be being incompetent but by being a more competent and hard-working sociopath than Bush.

[Cal33]

10. I sometimes wonder, Do the Repubs. really want people like

Palin, Bachmann, and others of that ilk, to be their leaders? Is
it possible for THAT MANY of them to have gone off their rockers?

[Joe Bacon]

12. Yes they have.

I speak from personal experience. My whole family worships the ground Palin walks on.

They have all gone off the deep end, just waiting for Jesus to rapture them on May 21st and leave the godless homo-loving Marxist Democrats on Earth to face Gawd's judgement...

[Cal33]

15. May 21 this year?

[Keith Bee]

22. Yep

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-l-skinner/apocalypse-now-or-later-o_b_839878.html

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[Bravo Zulu]

5. tahd would've taken gramps for a snowmobile ride up in the tundra,

and the secret service wouldn't have been able to keep up and by the time they found walnuts he'd been frozen solid!

[DutchLiberal]

6. In that case, policy wouldn't be so different, but DU would be united in their hatred toward it...

... the same policy they're now defending from Obama.

Republicans & Democrats: only cosmetic differences.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. Yeah

McCain/Palin would've created a Consumer Protection Bureau and done SOMETHING about health care in this country just like President Obama helped do. Yup-yup. Cosmetic differences only- definitely.
:eyes: :sarcasm:

[TheKentuckian]

13. Would McShame tax benefits and set up a scam that mandates purchase of the insurance cartel's crap?

If they'd be allowed, sure.

Would McShame do nothing about too big too fail or refuse to reign in perverse incentives? Sure.

Would McShame work behind the scenes to kill drug re-importation? Sure.

Would McShame thrown money at bankers and give a pass to Robber Barons? Sure.

Obama is better than the clusterfuck of McShame/Phailin but only enough so to curb discontent from the left and energize the Reich on the basis of him being black and supposedly liberal.

[DutchLiberal]

18. Indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition & extrajudicial executions...

All things they would have done, and Obama has done. Keeping Guantanamo Bay open, they would have done that, and Obama is doing it. Extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%. They would have done that, and so has Obama. Escalating the war in Afghanistan, they would have done that, and so did Obama.

The Consumer Protection Agency is JUST the example of the cosmetic differences. It IS a cosmetic difference; to satisfy the easily satisfied (like you), while nothing in the system changes and no bankers go to jail for their role in the financial meltdown! It's a distraction. If you want real change, you gotta stop deluding yourself that Democrats are not 100% right-wing corporatists.

[pmorlan1]

7. Excellent points

If McCain and Palin got in we would at least have an opposition Party that would stand up for the Constitution instead of making excuses for violating it. We would have an opposition party that would at least speak out for Democratic principles instead of pretending that they don't exist.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

9. It would've been so much better

to have our principles and be able to "speak out" for them as a member of the minority like we were from 2001-2009 than to have at least some power and do some good with a Democratic President/Congress for a couple of years? With McCain/Palin, we'd have had two more conservative members of SCOTUS by now. THAT would've been preferable??? :shrug: I shudder to think what the economy would've been like now with a McCain/Palin (mis-)administration.
:scared:

[zbdent]

11. curtailing Gadafi would have taken the boots out of Iran ...

you liberal elitist communist anti-American fa***t ... ;)

[shanti2]

14. If McCain dies before

the 2012 election, I will kick his corpse for almost leaving Palin in charge if he had won!

[beac]

20. If McCain had won, he'd be dead before 2012.

Look how the presidency ages relatively young and healthy men-- heck, even What-Me-Worry Bush got gray. Multiple-cancer patient and septuagenarian McNasty would have been long dead by 2010. And that's assuming Palin didn't poison him sooner.

[WiffenPoof]

17. If They Had Been Voted In...

...with a few minor exceptions, I'm not sure that there would be any substantial difference than we see from this administration. Seriously.

-PLA

[JoePhilly]

19. Full blown depression here, full blown war in Iran.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. No! We always find things to bitch about. That's why we seldom win! n/t

[Exilednight]

23. If McCain/Palin had been elected, we'd still be bombing Libya today. n/t

[displacedvermoter]

24. We'd be at war in Iran, instead of Libya,

or so I've been told repeatedly.

[Amonester]

30. No Doubt About It

Faux nee-use would be happily singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb uh-ran" day in, day out. :puke:

[jenmito]

31. Are you equating a war with Iran to Obama's multilateral humanitarian mission in Libya?

:eyes:

[cottonseed]

25. The Left is stupid. It loves feeling powerless, and when in power, rips itself apart.

I thought (naively) that after Obama's election the left would hold the line with the elected Democrats and work to help move the party left or even work with some 3rd parties to bring some sanity to politics. Of course, what we have here is a daily onslaught of criticism and internet activism aimed solely at ripping Obama (a Democratic President by the way) and as result the specter of Republican rule once again. I guess victimization is somehow easier to deal with an in some ways even more satisfying then having the discipline and putting in the hard work of actually accomplishing something.

[displacedvermoter]

26. I thought (Naively) that after Obama's election the new

President would actively point out to the American people just how badly they had been led over the past eight years, and just how much damage the Republicans had done to our economy, our constitutional rights, and our status in the world. Instead, he told everyone not to worry about what had been done in the-past, but to concentrate on all of the moderate things he planned for the future. Which, in turn led to American people, who have the memories of a flea circus, to return the Republicans to power in the House, in a majority of gubernatorial seats, and state legislatures.

Yes, it is the left wing of the party's fault that the President has no stomach for a fight and kinda likes the mess that was left behind by Buscho and Clinton before that.

[cottonseed]

27. So many words, for so little thought. Your reply is some sort of fantasy.

You weaved yourself a nice little paragraph there, but it's all a reality of your own creation. It's a nice story if that's how you get yourself off, but it's not accurate and a nonstarter.

[displacedvermoter]

28. It is completely accurate, has been discussed here many times

before, and why you feel the need to work in something sexual about this is pretty fucking juvenile.

It is funny how hard-right republicans are always worried about sexual things, and apparently you share that proclivity.

[marlakay]

29. Unified huddled in the dirt starving!

I think we would have had the great great depression....martial law and then federal laws to take over the states. Citizens would have been shot if they tried to protest....and on and on....