Birther Gregory Hollister may have illegally impersonated Obama to obtain draft records

[Hokie]

Birther plaintiff in the dismissed suit Hollister v Soetoro apparently pretended to be Barack Obama on the Selective Service web site to obtain a copy of the President's draft card last December. A copy was posted attached to Orly Tatiz' new FOIA lawsuit against the Social Security Administration. Hollister snipped out his address but left the bar codes which pointed to his street address in Colorado Springs. He also may have illegally used an employer social security number verification site to try to access Obama's record.

http://rcradioshow.blogspot.com/2011/03/did-birther-gregory-hollister-commit.html

[Beaverhausen]

1. LOL! I was wondering where Orly has been these past few months

here I thought she may have given up!

[studmoose]

2. How Dumb Can Someone Be?

Not only did he leave the POSTNET ZIP+4 barcode on the one form, but he forgets that the SSA knows where that form was mailed?

Any federal inquiry would show where the form was sent. Yes, they keep track of stuff like that, for quite a long time.

[ladywnch]

14. this question was rhetorical....right? n/t

[Lasher]

3. Maybe Orly will be implicated too.

She had to know that Hollister obtained it illegally. But then again, she's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[Hokie]

5. Yes, I agree

She filed this fraudulently obtained document (it was fraudulently obtained unless it came from Obama himself) in DC District court. However, she conveniently cc'ed US AG Eric Holder on the filing! It will save him the time to collect evidence on Hollister. Orly cc's everyone. She normally sends copies of her filings to the UN Commission on Human Rights but I think she forgot this time.

[icnorth]

12. Knife? Orly?

A D11 Cat has a sharper blade than Orly. :evilgrin:

[badgerpup]

15. Not azackly the brightest crayon on the Christmas tree...

I like my metaphors mixed, not shaken...:silly:

[icnorth]

16. Touche! n/t

[SpiralHawk]

31. Your metaphor works like anchovies on a cupcake

[FSogol]

4. I am the only one who thinks that Orly Tatiz would be the perfect running mate for Rand Paul?

:shrug:

[Lasher]

6. I have thought that Orly and Sarah would be a good match.

But Rand and Orly would make a great team too.

[LiberalFighter]

7. She is not a natural born citizen

[FSogol]

13. Is she from Hawaii?

;-)

[LiberalFighter]

17. She wishes.

But she is from a eastern bloc country.

[formercia]

8. The gift that keeps on giving

:rofl:

[NICO9000]

9. Shouldn't this have set off multiple red flags?

How hard is it to see if someone is impersonating the President of the United States? Hope the guy gets busted for this, but something seems fishy to me.

[Hokie]

11. This has been reported to both agencies

The SSVNS is a system designed for employers to verify SSN's for employees. Hollister would have a Federal EIN because he and his wife apparently own a business: http://companydatabase.org/c/electrical-work/telecommunications-contractors/fiber-optic-cable/contractor-telephone/hollister-enterprises-llc.html Using that site for snooping is a violation of the law. On the Selective Service site someone changed the address to have the results mailed to Hollister's address in Colorado. This could be identify theft and mail fraud. Birfers seem to think they are above the law and anything goes in their crazy pursuit to "get the goods" on Obama. Remember, some of the Birfers have formed "citizen grand juries" and indicted Obama. Rev. David Manning even had a show trial at his Atlah church in Harlem.

As to why this didn't raise a red flag I have no answer. I am not sure if the process is completely automated online at the Selective Service site or requires talking to a real person. Obama's social security number was published by Orly Taitz many times and his birth date is of course available. Apparently, that is all that is needed to request a copy of your draft card from the SS site. However, to do that you must agree that you are requesting the record for yourself by accepting the TOS. We shall see how this develops.

[msanthrope]

22. Screw the agencies--report it to the court. Judge Lamberth might be very, very interested. n/t

[mistertrickster]

10. What war was Obama AWOL from? Grenada? nt

[treestar]

18. How would the draft records even help them?

[Hokie]

20. You have to understand Birfer's grand theory

This started when Orly Taitz dufus investigator Neal Sankey ran Barack and Michelle Obama's names through several databases and returned multiple hits on social security numbers and addresses for people with names anywhere close to the Obama's. These kind of searches are notoriously inaccurate and the databases have disclaimers saying that. Orly included this in one of her infamous "dossiers" on Obama. A reporter (I believe Spencer Kornhaber of the OC Weekly) did find a copy of Obama's selective service registration on a public database like Lexis Nexis that contains a social security number for Obama starting with 042-xxx-xxxx. Numbers with 042 are generally (but not always) issued to applications from Connecticut. Taitz is claiming this proves Obama is using a social security number of someone from Connecticut (she claims the person was born in 1890) to commit fraud. What exact fraud she never says but she likes to say fraud a lot in the same sentence with Obama.

Regardless, the birthers are now obsessed with Obama's social security and draft records. They think they are sure to find the smoking gun there. You know right along with the Kenyan birth certificate.

[SpiralHawk]

32. Spencer Kornhaber? Neal Skankey? Orly Taitz? WTF?

Not one good decent American name among them. They sound like a cabal of Republicon Corporate Socialists...

I'm just sayin...
:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

[and-justice-for-all]

19. To prison with the trash...nt

[whistler162]

33. First the court-martial then Leavenworth.....

http://www.slate.com/id/2140616/

Doesn't have to be recalled to active duty if this 5 year old article is correct.

[msanthrope]

34. Losing the military pension is a good start......n/t

[msanthrope]

21. I found definitive proof that he did run the SSVN check--he bragged to a reporter.

"Hollister provided this Examiner, with a copy of the results from the Social Security Number Verification System (www.SocialSecurity.gov) used by small businesses to verify employment eligibility, using Obama’s name, birth date and the Connecticut-issued SSN."

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-phoenix/hollister-v-soetoro-obama-eligibility-case-to-be-reconsidered-by-supreme-court

read the comments section--the birfer reporter claims that the SSVN system wasn't used fraudulently, because Obama is an employee.

[Hokie]

25. This is directly from the SSVNS Handbook

It is appropriate to use SSNVS only once an official employer-employee relationship has been established. SSA defines the existence of an employer-employee relationship as when one of the following has occurred:

The employer’s offer of employment and acceptance by the person being hired (even though he/she hasn’t started working); and /or

The future employee’s completion of the paperwork to establish the payroll record.Third-party use of SSNVS is strictly limited to organizations that contract with employers to either handle the wage reporting responsibilities or perform an administrative function directly related to annual wage reporting responsibilities of hired employees.

...

Anyone who knowingly and willfully uses SSNVS to request or obtain information from SSA under false pretenses violates Federal law and may be punished by a fine, imprisonment or both.

So unless Hollister accessed the site because he was employing the President he is screwed.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnvshandbk/usingSSNVS.htm

[msanthrope]

26. Yep--and if you read the article I posted, and the comments, Hollister

was done in by Taitz--and by the incredibly stupid reporter who admitted that he ran the number.

What morans.

Felons don't get military pensions....I suspect the judge involved in this case--Royce Lamberth, if Orly is to be believed, might be very interested in just how those two exhibits were procured.

[Hokie]

27. If the idiot Taitz ever serves the gov't properly

She is such an incompetent nincompoop that she may never effect proper service on the Social Security Administration. Until she does the case will never make the docket. Also, the case is going to be dismissed because she has not exhausted her administrative avenues with the SSA on her FOIA request. It was only recently answered by SSA and she has to go through the administrative appeal process with SSA first. The court has already told her this twice before but the moron is too stupid to understand.

[msanthrope]

28. What??? Mailing it to Eric Holder doesn't count as effective service???

Seriesly????

[Hokie]

35. I think it may be on the docket now

She might have finally met FRCP Rule 4(i):

(i) Serving the United States and Its Agencies, Corporations, Officers, or Employees.

(1) United States.

To serve the United States, a party must:

(A)

(i) deliver a copy of the summons and of the complaint to the United States attorney for the district where the action is brought — or to an assistant United States attorney or clerical employee whom the United States attorney designates in a writing filed with the court clerk — or

(ii) send a copy of each by registered or certified mail to the civil-process clerk at the United States attorney’s office;

(B) send a copy of each by registered or certified mail to the Attorney General of the United States at Washington, D.C.; and

(C) if the action challenges an order of a nonparty agency or officer of the United States, send a copy of each by registered or certified mail to the agency or officer

.

[quiller4]

29. Numbers that were originally assigned to some of the small eastern

states have been reassigned to areas with rapid population growth. Looking at the chart of original assignment is not an accurate means for determining where a number was issued and has not been for some time.

Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, California, Arizona and New Mexico are just a few of the states that received new numbers reassigned from some of the smaller eastern states that have been losing population like Connecticut and Maine.

[Kingofalldems]

23. Special Prosecutor needed immediately

[msanthrope]

24. Nah---just a referral to the US attorney in Hollister's hometown. His military pension

is up for grabs for pulling felonies....

Now, what's interesting is Taitz's involvement. She screwed him nicely, though....

[Sheepshank]

36. "She screwed him nicely, though...."

That wouldn't be the first time she's done that try and promote her own anti-Obama agenda.

[msanthrope]

37. No--it's not. Ask any Plaintiff Orly's ever represented. n/t

[Sheepshank]

38. exactly!

[SpiralHawk]

30. Republicon Family Scuzzbucket Values

as usual. Ptoooey.