How come I always agree with Ed Shultz?

[Auntie Bush]

He said Obama gets a 10.

[Exilednight]

1. I don't know. I think Shultz is an idiot. He's part of the problem of the Democratic party.

He fits well with the DLC mode and holds too many conservative values for my taste.

[vroomvroom]

3. How is his protesting with the crowds of WI, or calling out corporate corruption in the WH a problem

Me thinks you have your signals crossed or wish the democratic party was renamed the republican party. Last i checked Schultz was a strong progressive and doesnt shy away in calling out Obama when he bows to corporate interests. I am thanking god Obama did the right thing with the Libya thing and didnt bow to the republicans again

[Exilednight]

4. He's too hawkish for my taste and some of his political stances

remind me of the DLC. He's a pundit on television, so anything out of his mouth has to be taken with a grain of salt. He's in it for money and the money only.

[Auntie Bush]

6. Not true!!!!!!!!!11111

[Exilednight]

8. Totally true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[donheld]

18. Bullshit

you don't know what your talking about

[Exilednight]

20. Really? Take a look at how he interprets the 2nd amendment. n/t

[roguevalley]

16. Not my Eddy. He is a man I trust and BELIEVE ME, I am not

giving my trust away to just anyone. I love Ed. He gets it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Precisely. It overshadows his pro-union positions.

[vaberella]

14. This is the man who promoted on air not voting.

Especially not voting for Obama because he's disappointed in regards to Obama's response in WI--while people in WI appreciated Obama's response. Promoting no voting is disgusting and abhorrent. So no...he's hardly a strong progressive. Or I don't see not voting a sign of a strong progressive.

[Exilednight]

21. Obama is hardly a strong progressive, so they're in the same boat. And your claim is wrong, he did

not say don't vote for Obama.

Schultz: "I think the best way for the 99ers to get the attention of the Congress is to form an unemployed coalition and just flat-out tell the Democrats, we're not voting in the midterm."

Nowhere during his rant does he mention not voting for Obama.

[vaberella]

23. Define progressive.

Because I don't think we share the same views. My complaint is not about not voting of Obama...my shit is not voting. You'll also note that I clearly state that I find anyone who promotes "not voting" to be abhorrent and disgusting. Maybe as a an immigrant who had to struggle for 7 years to get my voting rights---I'm a bit sensitive to that shit. So no...when someone says that they are not a Progressive in my eyes but a pure ass hole. And if he did have some say and some people thought like him in Wisconsin---note what happened in Wisconsin and most of America.

[Exilednight]

24. Progressive : Forward thinking. Ism: ideology

Progressivism a forward thinking ideology. Not just thinking about today or tomorrow or even 2 years down the road - it's thinking ten, twenty, thirty years down the road.

There's a huge distinction between progressive and progress. Any Democrat can make small amounts of progress, but it's a rare few who can be progressive.

[vaberella]

31. Here are a few problems.

Progressivism is not what I define as an ideology. As a matter of fact, I know of know one who does except for some Liberals who confuse a political aspect to an ideology----because Progress is directly tied to ALL politics and or bureucracy. So therefore the ideology is lost. Theodore Roosevelt, who for all intents and purposes was part of a Progressive party. But this is not an ideology in the strongest term. -Ism doesn't make it an ideology by the way.

Progress can't be too small or too big. Progress is progress and that is the key. In many cases a person is not allowed the chance to do 60% or 100% difference. But even 5% change from what was around before and thinking about the future in the long rather than short run is key. So to a progressive, they realize that even the small moves today can accumulate and be the foundation for even bigger changes. Your view in my eyes is limited.

I find Republicans to be Progressives, and I speak mainly of Collins and Snowe. Who do think in a long term manner, even if hey have an ideology. The founding fathers were progressives---and slavery was an action of this progress. So progress is not 100% good and benign either. It can be extremely negative---which is lost by many Liberals.

This is more or less how I define it: http://www.wiretapmag.org/stories/23706

The point being....basically Obama is one of the most POSITIVE Progressive Presidents of our time.

[Exilednight]

32. Anytime you add "ism" to the end of a word, it becomes an ideology.

"ism" literally means ideology.

Prgress does not equal progressive. You can have small amounts of progress, but that progress does not always induce real change of thought or have long term ramifications. Roosevelts, both Theodore and Franklin, are considered progressive because the induced long term change that stretched through generations.

I haven't found anything that Obama has done to be progressive. Nothing he has done will have long term ramifications that will be felt down throughout the ages of America. FDR got us social security, Obama got us a mandate to buy health insurance. Theodore set aside large swaths of land and protected them to make sure they weren't exploited for their resources. Obama put up a temporary ban on offshore drill after one of the largest environmental catastrophes by an oil company in US history, then he lifted the ban.

If Obama is going to be called a progressive president, then he has to do something a lot bigger than what he's done. No one can point to one thing and say Obama put this country a new course. If he has, then please show me, but it has to be something that benefits 100% of the population, not just a majority.

[krawhitham]

11. +1

He told people to stay home and not vote, which is what any good rethug would say

[brentspeak]

17. Considering that Shultz has blasted the DLC and the Blue Dogs repeatedly

I'd say that he isn't much of a DLCer.

[femmocrat]

2. For style or substance? n/t

[totodeinhere]

5. I love Ed's passion. He always stands up for the average man. n/t

[bluestateguy]

7. I wish he would run for Senate from North Dakota

He'd win too.

[Exilednight]

9. You wouldn't get the Ed on TV. You'd get the one who sound like Jim Webb.

Webb is very conservative when compared to other Dems.

[dkf]

12. Jim Webb would have kept us out of this war.

[Exilednight]

22. I highly doubt that. I just read an interview with Webb and he seems to be

more disappointed that he wasn't included in the discussion; which is disingenuous, at best.

Webb: I would agree with that concern, but a concern that I have is that we have been sort of on auto-pilot for almost ten years in terms of presidential authority in conducting these types of military operations absent the meaningful participation of the Congress. We have not had a debate and I know that there was some justification put into place because of concern for civilian casualties, but this isn't the way that our system is supposed to work.

Webb voted for the use of no-fly-zones. How did he not participate? On the other hand, the House has a legitimate gripe. No one consulted them or asked their opinion. I also think the people have a legitimate gripe since we never had a real discussion as to whether or no this is a wise idea.

[ieoeja]

29. You hit upon a good point. Why no anger directed at Boehner?

The President discussed this with the leaders of both houses. Senate leadership bring it to the floor of the Senate for all members. House leadership did not.

So they blame the President? He informed "the" House. Individual members have a legitimate grip with their leadership, not the White House.

Of course, it was a Friday afternoon. And a House or Senate under Republican leadership has always worked shorter hours**. I have not heard that is the case this year, but it would be consistent with past experience. So I'm guessing the members were already gone. In which case, they don't really have a gripe even against the Speaker.



**One of the few points where I actually agree with Republicans. Budget, legislation and oversight should not be a full time job.

[Exilednight]

30. You're right, Boehner deserves equal share of blame along with Obama.

I won't dispute that. Boehener should of brought it to the floor for a vote, and Obama should not have moved ahead until he did.

[Pisces]

10. Schultz could give you whiplash on his statement about the Pres. He is like Newt, just on the other

side. He is a moron of the highest order. I can not stomach his blowhard rants.

[Clio the Leo]

13. I've entered bizzaro world ....

..... where I agree more with Ed and Cenk and less with half of my Twitter follows (Greg Sargent, Adam Serwer etc)

[vaberella]

15. Don't worry---you'll drop Cenk and Ed in a few days.

They tend to be shallow thinkers.

[DebJ]

19. He's just too LOUD for me. I can't take constant ranting and

raving. I fall asleep during Lawrence O'Donnell. And though I love Rachel and the great stories she does, the investigative work, her habit of always saying so MUCH of her dialogue three times in a row has been driving me nuts to the point where I turn off the tv.

Guess I'm just un-pleasable!

[border_town]

25. Oh well!!

:shrug: :shrug:

[kjackson227]

26. I used to be a BIG proponent of Big Eddie...

but not anymore since we had a battle of the emails a few weeks back. Instead of debating my opinions in a civil manner, he resorted to name calling, and told me not to listen to his show anymore because I was a coward, LOL!

Needless to say, I'm very disappointed in him. I still appreciate him as a voice of the working middle-class, but I see him in a different light now.

[polichick]

28. I like what Ed does but don't always agree with him - in this case I'd give the prez a 10 too...

...for eloquent mic propaganda paired with a departure from the Bush go-it-alone posture.

That said, it's about oil - as always.