"Ohio House Passes ‘Nation’s Most Restrictive’ Voter ID Law That Would Curb Rights Of Almost 900,000

[jenmito]

Ohioans"

In 22 states across the country, Republican lawmakers are ginning up the specter of voter fraud to pass highly restrictive photo identification laws that would severely restrict the voting rights of millions. But yesterday, the Republicans in the Ohio House secured passage of “what could become the nation’s most restrictive voter identification law.”

In just eight days, House Republicans hustled through HB 159, a bill that would require voters to show one of five forms of ID to vote in person: an Ohio driver’s license, state ID, military ID, U.S. passport, or “a new, free photo ID that State Bureau of Motor Vehicles would dispense to indigent citizens who qualify.” Currently, voters must show a photo ID or present a utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or government document with a current name and address. Unlike other states’ photo ID laws, HB 159 would not even allow students to use IDs issued by state colleges.

More:

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/24/ohio-voter-id-law/

The Repubs. are doing their best to steal the next election through voter suppression. :mad:

[AtomicKitten]

1. Paging AG Holder ... this can't possibly hold up in court.

k&r

:hi:

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Sorry. Mr. Holder is busy

busting a medical marijuana operation right now.

[abelenkpe]

3. True. nt

[AtomicKitten]

4. Awesome non sequitur!! Dems better pay attention to these voter suppression efforts.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. Why a non sequitur?

And I would say "scary" rather than "awesome."

I haven't seen much defense of Democratic issues from this bunch.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Well, "this bunch" is obviously worse than Hitler. So there's that.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. I certainly didn't say that.

I'm just rather pessimistic about the AG taking any action on this issue, and I think some of their prosecutory foci are quite misguided.

Take for example the handling of Siegelman versus that of Stevens, or the failure to prosecute a number of very large banking crimes.

[treestar]

84. Maybe voter suppression would get their attention

[Bake]

22. You mean like they did to the Wisconsin union busting?

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Bake

[jenmito]

13. I sure hope the Dems. in OH (and the other states) DO challenge this!

This is SO wrong!

Thanks for the K&R. :hi:

[FrenchieCat]

5. GOP working hard to get rid of the Youth vote.......

in particular.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Most of those provisions have already been pushed in WI.

I don't know whether they've managed to get them into effect yet.

[jenmito]

14. I know...

they want to pass laws that make it illegal for college students to vote unless they or their parents have permanent residences in the state of their college!

[SharonAnn]

19. And the disabled bote. And the older, poor vote. etc.

[jenmito]

20. Self-delete. n/t

[cayanne]

9. In Idaho

we have to show voter ID to be able to vote.

[jenmito]

16. How many years has it been that way? n/t

[Blue Owl]

11. There was no problem or reason to prompt this

other than GOP voter disenfranchisement.

[jenmito]

17. Yup...

and the article says that, too.

[Dokkie]

12. just wondering

who exactly is this going to hurt? Is there a problem with the democratic voter base of having and providing IDs for voting? if anything, its going to hurt the anti govt, survivalist rednecks who inhabit the Midwestern states more than the base of the democratic voters.

Go on, pass the damn bill and we since whose voters are suppressed more from the requirement :)

[RC]

15. the anti govt, survivalist rednecks are a tiny minority that are far out numbered by

the poor intercity citizens who are being disenfranchised by this photo ID BS.
If you don't think this is a big deal, you really need to bone up on it.

[jenmito]

18. It's going to hurt minorities, young people, disabled people,

and the poor.

[laugle]

37. Yeah....

and don't forget the illegals and the felons....................

Since when are the young,disabled and poor without ID??

[jenmito]

41. I don't usually hear Dems. talk this way: "...the illegals and the felons.."? Anyway, from the OP:

However, bills like HB 159 stands to severely restrict or exclude millions (at least 12%) of America’s voting population, most notably seniors, the disabled, low-income voters, students, and people of color. As Ohio Democrats noted, an estimated 890,000 voting age Ohioans do not currently have a government-issued photo ID, including significant numbers of blacks and people older than 65.” What’s more, the GOP bill would actually cost the state “up to $20 million to implement.”

[laugle]

42. Please provide

a link if you are going to quote statistics..........

[jenmito]

50. For the third time on this thread:

However, bills like HB 159 stands to severely restrict or exclude millions (at least 12%) of America’s voting population, most notably seniors, the disabled, low-income voters, students, and people of color. As Ohio Democrats noted, an estimated 890,000 voting age Ohioans do not currently have a government-issued photo ID, including significant numbers of blacks and people older than 65.” What’s more, the GOP bill would actually cost the state “up to $20 million to implement.”

That's from the OP.

[laugle]

52. No need to

be rude..........

[jenmito]

55. There was nothing rude in my post. The only rude thing said that was rude was by YOU

when you said, "Sorry.......

you are having a ruff time........"

Edited to find your exact words.

[laugle]

44. You had to edit that one, didn't you!

What part of illegal/felon don't you understand?

[jenmito]

48. Not to change anything I said. Just to fit it correctly.

Dems. don't usually call undocumented workers "illegals." And EX-felons can vote in just about every state.

[laugle]

51. What's an

ex-felon? I'm no expert on convicted felons, but I thought they were unable to vote? On the other, I hate being PC, I prefer to be straight-up, it's much more honest!

[jenmito]

53. You don't know what an ex-felon is? Maybe I should've said, "citizens with a felony record" like it

says in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement#United_States I don't have any personal experience in this area, FYI. I'm just intelligent.

[laugle]

57. I'm

impressed............LOL........

You should know better than to assume DUer's are stupid! We have some of the most intelligent, articulate members on this forum, that's why I joined...............

[jenmito]

59. I'm

glad you got that cleared up for you. But you avoided the substance of my post. Citizens with felony records can vote. Now you know if you read the link. I'm not assuming "DUers" are stupid. I'm saying I'M intelligent. There are many others on DU who are intelligent, too.

[laugle]

61. 'The most

impressive people don't need to impress"

I never brought up your intellect.

[jenmito]

65. So?

[Ikonoklast]

67. I'm not impressed.

And, you were wrong, but didn't admit to it.

Intellect, indeed.

[jenmito]

70. Neither am I.

Thanks for pointing out what you pointed out. :)

[fishwax]

74. convicted felons can vote, depending on the state

Not all states restrict felons from voting.

[treestar]

87. Yeah, funny how austerity and budget balancing is of no concern

to Republicans when it comes to something like this.

[Mimosa]

81. Totally agree, JenMito. n/t

[treestar]

86. If we can get the young, disabled, and poor to vote

We can get them to get their state issued ID, is my hope. It's useful for more than just that, too.

But having said that, the requirement is still Republican BS.

[JCMach1]

78. If your ID doesn't match your location... big problem... the will affect the poor who vote

and who move around alot...

And, who cannot afford the time, or cash to get another ID.

This is about voter suppression.

[jenmito]

21. Wow-someone unrec'ed this?! So you're FOR voter suppression?

:eyes:

[golfguru]

23. This is the only issue on which I agree with GOP

I can't even cash a $10 check without ID at the bank.
I can't get on a plane without proper ID.
I can not drive a car without proper license with picture ID.
So I am ok with requiring voter ID for something as important
as voting privilege accorded to me as a naturalized US citizen.

[jenmito]

24. Do you agree with THIS part?:

Unlike other states’ photo ID laws, HB 159 would not even allow students to use IDs issued by state colleges.

[golfguru]

28. If the colleges have checked citizenship of the student

then obviously student ID from that college should be acceptable.
Note that over 25% of students in universities are from other countries.

[jenmito]

30. Seriously? You think the colleges should check the students' citizenship?

What about people who DRIVE? Can't THEY be from other countries and still get drivers' licenses? Because all they have to show is their drivers' licenses.

[golfguru]

31. I was obviously stating the absurd

in answer to post which stated "they want to disallow student ID's"
Student ID's are in no shape or form proof of citizenship which is a requirement
according to law to be eligible to vote.

Which is why I am in favor of a "Voter ID" issued cost FREE by the government after
checking your citizenship.

[jenmito]

32. So to you, even this Repub. voter ID law is not strict enough? n/t

[golfguru]

34. Correct....I am an extremist on legitimate voters allowed to vote

Common now we are allowed to have 1 extreme position are'nt we?

[jenmito]

35. Wow. You know how many legitimate voters will be prevented from voting due to the law

in my OP? And you're ok with that? Don't answer. I already know what your answer will be.

[golfguru]

36. You may be right but please provide some reasons why

they would be prevented?

Like I said for people born before WWII there could be exceptions built in
since birth certificates were not formally issued in some situations.

After that 99% of births were in hospitals which were required to notify
the county of birth and a permanent record kept by the government. My
wife was born in 1954 and she can obtain official copies of her BC any time
from Cook County, Illinois for a nominal fee less than a driver's license.

[jenmito]

39. From the article in my OP:

However, bills like HB 159 stands to severely restrict or exclude millions (at least 12%) of America’s voting population, most notably seniors, the disabled, low-income voters, students, and people of color. As Ohio Democrats noted, an estimated 890,000 voting age Ohioans do not currently have a government-issued photo ID, including significant numbers of blacks and people older than 65.” What’s more, the GOP bill would actually cost the state “up to $20 million to implement.”

[golfguru]

76. With the money we have spent and will spend in Libya,

a FREE official voter ID can be issued to every US citizen. As a naturalized US
citizen, I value my voting privilege very highly and I wish the country would
be extremely diligent in protecting the integrity of our elections. Lot more than
it is currently doing.

[jenmito]

77. The money spent in Libya has nothing to do with this...

and it's not the point that people can get an "official voter ID." There are many reasons besides cost that would prevent hundreds of thousands of people from getting that official ID.

[laugle]

40. I don't think

it's extremist! With all the voter fraud going on with both sides, this is just a first step.

Now asking for a birth certificate might be a bit extreme........but then again..........it would kill two birds with one stone.....figuratively speaking of course........

[Ikonoklast]

73. What 'voter fraud on both sides'?

Show your proof to back up your claims.

[golfguru]

75. Here is a link but be warned it is from a GOP claim

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153079-gop-says-5000-non-citizens-voting-in-colorado-a-wake-up-call-for-states

[laugle]

38. Wow.....

How hard is it to go to DMV and get a state issued ID? Even my elderly, sick mother who didn't drive anymore, was able to do it!!

[jenmito]

43. It's VERY hard for a lot of people who have no car, no money, etc. n/t

[laugle]

45. Sorry.......

you are having a ruff time........

[jenmito]

46. In what way? n/t

[laugle]

47. Okay.....

playtime is over.......not taking that bait..........LOL....

Hey shouldn't you be posting on the Cornel West thread, your missing out.........LOL

[jenmito]

49. You're the one who baited ME to even ask that question.

And it's "you're missing out," not "your missing out".........LOL :eyes:

[laugle]

54. You're

being silly and petty. I'm sorry your didn't get the response in your thread that you wanted.....

End of story.........

[jenmito]

56. I'm not being "silly and petty" at all. You said you're sorry I'm going through a "ruff time" and

then refused to clarify what you meant.

[laugle]

58. What's the

big deal; you sounded like you were having a ruff time, it's not unusual, many people are having a hard time with high unemployment/recession.

[jenmito]

60. Then why did you think you were being baited when I simply asked in what way you think

I'm going through a "ruff time"? (It's "rough" not "ruff.")

[laugle]

62. Ruff....Ruff..........

I majored in english.........

[jenmito]

63. Did you graduate?

:rofl:

[laugle]

64. I don't like to

brag, especially when I know people are having a hard time. Silly-time is over, it's dinner time here, the weather is sunny and my husband is firing-up the grill.....take a break, you spend too much time here.


Gemini signing off...........

[jenmito]

66. Don't tell me to take a break.

I'll spend as much time on here as I want. Keep up your implications, though. I have a feeling you're projecting.

[laugle]

68. Being a

bully is not attractive.........

[jenmito]

69. Why aren't you out spending time with your

cats? LOL..........

[laugle]

71. Actually,

I have a listing appointment tonight to sell a house. Got to eat and run.....enjoy yourself........

[jenmito]

72. Meow meow.......

:rofl:

[NYC Liberal]

25. Where is this epidemic of voter fraud?

Election fraud is a problem, yes. But not voter fraud.

My signature is on file. When I go to vote, I sign the book and the poll worker compares the two signatures.

[golfguru]

27. Any one can register to vote without a gov't issue ID

So if a non-citizen registers to vote, of course his signature will match.

I am not claiming there is fraud because I have no proof either way.
It just makes sense to check the most important privilege we have, to vote.

[jenmito]

33. But Repubs. are trying to suppress DEM. voters. That's why they're targeting voters

that most often vote Democratic.

[Avant Guardian]

26. You agree that likely Democratic voters should be legislated away from voting?

Do you see some noble cause in their actions?

[golfguru]

29. Why would anybody who is a legitimate citizen be

legislated away? All it will take is for the gov't to issue a FREE voter ID
after you provide proof of citizenship. I protect my naturalization certificate
by keeping it in safe deposit vault at the bank. It is always available like when
I apply for a US Passport.

I would like to see older people grand-fathered in since birth certificates were
not generated in many cases such as birth at home.

Every time I travel to Canada, the official at the border checks for my passport
but not of my wife because she has American accent and they believe her answer to
where you were born.."Chicago".

[treestar]

88. Naturalized citizens have certificates, though

And are more likely to have passports. So that's a group sort of inoculated against the problem.

[indimuse]

79. KNR! n/t

[treestar]

80. Not panicking yet, because how many people don't have a DL or

State ID? How can one do without one?

Voter registration could also add this, make sure people have them or help them get them.

[Mimosa]

82. Me.

My Louisiana driver's license expired. I had always used part of my name on Social Security card and LA DL. But that isn't the same name as my long ago Birth Certificate. So I have to come up with money to have my name legally changed because GA won't let me have driver's license. It all has to do with post-9/11 anti terrorism laws.

[treestar]

83. How did the name change?

You could use marriage or divorce certificates if that's it. If it requires a court procedure and the filing fee is the issue, most courts have programs to get waivers of the fees for people who can't pay them.

[Mimosa]

85. Thanks. I haven't heard of a fee waiver.

The fee for name change is what's been standing in my way.

[Keith Bee]

89. Kasich is pronounced "KAY-SICK"

And he's a livin' up to it!