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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:27 PM
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Help me understand. In remarks today, Pres. Obama said his goal is to reduce our dependence
on foreign oil by one-third in the next decade(?) I think he said.

If oil is a fungible commodity and it's pumped, whether in the US or other parts of the world, by multi-national corporations who sell it on the world market to the highest bidder, then how can there be such a thing as "foreign" oil? I hear this statement all the time; not just from Pres. Obama.

If the above is the case, then how is one to understand his remarks? TIA.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:29 PM
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1. I think it's political -- playing on the "us vs them" sentiments of the populace. nt
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:31 PM
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2. The above isn't the case.
It is estimated that around 65% of the world's oil is controlled by STATE OWNED companies, not privately held companies, as you suggest.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:18 PM
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5. You're probably correct. Mossedegh nationalized Iranian oil
back in '53, which is what caused all that unpleasantnes, i.e., being overthrown by CIA factions. And I'm sure there are state owned oil companies today, although I can't list any offhand.

But I don't think the US has any state owned oil corporations, so I still question how WE can talk about foreign oil.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:12 PM
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8. We don't. But ...
If a country has state owned oil companies, the money comes back to that FOREIGN COUNTRY. And that is the point.

Here is how Wikipedia describes the countries who have "nationalized oil companies".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization_of_oil_supplies
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:38 PM
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3. Yes. This.
I hate the drill, moran, drill crowd because they like to pretend that oil drilled outside Galveston will somehow stay in the US and NOT be sold to the highest bidder.

Well, there IS a way it could stay here. Nationalize the oil companies and control its export as a "vital national commodity."
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:46 PM
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4. It's a con - see Rachel's "Oil is Oil is Oil" video...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:44 PM
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6. Thank you. I just watched that.. I guess I understand it correctly, then....
It occurs to me that Obama could distinguish himself from all those other whack jobs (McCain, Boehner, Palin etc.) and frame it just the way Rachel did. He would at least get some respect for knowing what he's talking about. I don't like being lied to.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:49 PM
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7. Just like he could reframe the budget issue if he wanted to. You understand it correctly.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:36 PM
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9. Thanks for the video, Rachel covered this subject again tonight. n/t
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:52 AM
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10. I think the only thing that would make a difference
would be the use of bio-based fuels (NOT corn ethanol) developed and refined in the U.S. However, the foreign oil boogeyman is starting to get old.
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