"Obama is like Bush....."

[dennis4868]

HP: White House Threatens To Veto Anti-Union Measure In Aviation Bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/30/white-house-issues-veto-threat_n_842833.html

[MannyGoldstein]

1. "The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option"

The wind must be blowing in our direction today - we'll see if he actually vetoes it tomorrow.

[11 Bravo]

2. If he signs a veto, a thread will rapidly appear with 100+ recs bitching about his handwriting.

[cliffordu]

5. Thar ya go.

perfect.

[JuniperLea]

20. I'm sure the pen was made in China too...

I'm thinking of going into the wig business... so many people with their hair on fire these days.

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[dennis4868]

3. So you are saying.....

that Obama should not have signed HCR (where preexisting conditions are history, 40 million more people will be insured within 2 years, and greater coverage for woman and seniors) all in the name of the public option? Are you out of your mind? Do you not understand that change happens in baby steps...this was true of the civil rights act, medicare, etc.... You are living in fantasy land.

[Avant Guardian]

6. Obama has institutionalized corporate insurance

He has institutionalized the problem.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Prove it. Pres. Obama has already opened the door for states to enact single-payer & public option.

Read Reply 8: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=641323&mesg_id=6417

Obama supporters knew this would happen all along.

This is what Republicans feared all along. They are smarter than Pres. Obama's Democratic critics, who wanted to "Kill The Bill". Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

And finally, this is why conservatives and the Teabagger House want to repeal HCR.

[ThomCat]

18. Really?

One of the big criticisms from the very beginning was that we needed a federal agency in charge of insurance because the insurance industry lobbyists effectively controlled the states.

The industry had too much money and influence and the state regulatory agencies were too weak individually to stand against them.

So you really think that any of these states regulatory agencies are going to implement Universal Health Care against the wishes of the Insurance Industry and all their lobbying might and money? Really? :eyes:

Turning this over to the states was exactly what the lobbyists wanted! It was classic misdirection politics.

Especially with the Insurance Industry fighting to get the right to sell insurance across state lines, they can pick and choose the state with the worst insurance regulations. They can pick the state with the regulations that allow them to provide the worst insurance for the highest price, and screw people over the most with the least recourse. They will be able to sell insurance to everyone from that state, the same way we all get all of our credit cards from Nevada now because of the most lenient credit laws are in Nevada.

It won't matter if one state tries to implement Universal Health Care, because no insurance company will offer to sell policies based in that state that conform to the laws of that state, and therefore actually meet any definition of universal health care. No matter what state you are in, you will end up buying health insurance from the state with the worst insurance laws.

If any state mandates that insurance must come from within that state, and therefor must conform to their laws that mandate universal health care coverage, insurance companies will pull out and refuse to do business in that state. We have already seen this. Insurance companies are already refusing to cover children as an entire class of people in one state just since the health care bill was passed Because of the health care bill, and they said so!

No state can force an insurance company to do business there, so the state would be forced to cover the full cost itself, and no state is currently financially able to take over the full cost of all health care, from beginning to end, without the federal government's help.

[Avant Guardian]

26. I will simplify it for you

Corporate health insurance companies are the problem. Mandating corporate health insurance institutionalizes that problem.

Of course candidate Obama knew this and was against individual mandates except for children. Sigh.

[ThomCat]

16. You mean the bill that is allowing insurance companies to raise

their rates by double digits across the nation every year, and reduce coverage, so that even when people do get insurance they won't be able to afford to use it?

The bill that is allowing insurance companies to create new classes of insurance plans that cover far less than ever before but cost far more so that you can go bankrupt trying to get even minor injuries or illnesses covered?

The bill that defines any basic insurance policy as a "Cadillac Plan" if it doesn't have an excessive co-insurance cost and high co-pay?

The bill that will allow insurance companies to charge healthy people up to 22% of their income as a new form of income tax paid directly to insurance companies?

The bill that will put most poor Americans on government subsidized insurance policies, while at the same time the government doesn't want to allow any woman to get an abortion or any kind of family planning with any insurance policy that is subsidized with government money, effectively making abortion and family planning absolutely unavailable to anyone who isn't wealthy?

The bill that started out as a REPUBLICAN proposal that Obama decided to champion instead of real Universal Health Care because it would supposedly bring Republicans to the table in a big show of bi-partisan support?

Is that the bill you're cheering about?

We were told that this bill was flawed, but a necessary first step, and only the first of many steps. We were told that we were going to see one improvement after another, leading us towards real universal health care. But all we have seen in steps backward, not forward.

If Obama had the courage and the skills to negotiate a Democratic proposal the first time, instead of a Republican proposal, we might have been in much better shape right now. But he didn't, and we're not.

Instead, Health people are supposed to all pay for private insurance, which is getting so expensive nobody will ever be able to afford to use it. While people with disabilities are supposed to use Medicare and Medicaid, but all we keep hearing about is attacks and threats to cut medicare and medicaid. Do your really think that's a coincidence?

Even Obama is joining the bandwagon, agreeing that Medicare and Medicaid need to "cut waste" and "trim their costs." How the hell are they supposed to do that when his own bill proposed that millions of new people will be added in the next few years? If he really believed in his own health care law he would be Significantly Beefing up Medicare/Medicaid in preparation. But he's Not!

[Mimosa]

24. +1,000 Thomcat's posts are simply irrefutable.

I can't afford health insurance any more. Not desperate enough for Medicaid. :(

[roguevalley]

19. when Obama is wrong, he's wrong. I have no problem with him

doing the right thing. I WANT HIM TO. But when he's wrong I will say so.

[Chris_Texas]

23. No

Obamacare is nothing more or less than the greatest gift any president has ever given to the jackals of the insurance industry. It was writen by them for christ's sake.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Medicare was far from baby steps

We had 59 votes for Medicare buy-in, but Obama quashed it because of his back-room deal with Pharma.

[polichick]

7. The message was his advisers may recommend a veto - not that the prez WILL veto.

[ClarkUSA]

12. Wrong. His senior advisors WOULD recommend a veto, not "may". Republicans hear the threat clearly.

Proof: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=641601&mesg_id=641601

[polichick]

13. Why didn't they say "The president WILL veto"??

[ClarkUSA]

14. Because this WH calibrates language for effect, unlike BushCo.

There's no need to bring out the rhetorical brass knuckles yet or put up the backs of insanely contrarian Republicans looking to score with their teabagger base, especially with the House leadership looking for a budget deal.

The message is implied; I doubt Republicans are questioning its veracity.

[polichick]

15. Looks more like "this WH calibrates language" for maximum wiggle room.

[ClarkUSA]

17. I disagree. Call Boehner's office and ask them whether he feels the same way.

Ditto for Senate Minority Leader McConnell. I doubt they do.

"administration policy" does not equate to "maximum wiggle room" to me. Then again, I've already corrected the way it "looks" to you via what his advisors said:

"In a statement of administration policy Wednesday...":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=641323&mesg_id=641769

Funny how those criticize whatever this President does or doesn't do have absolutely no problem believing whatever bullshit any dimestore internet op-ed columnist claims about Pres. Obama as long as it's negative or whatever Hillary says Pres. Obama will or will not do regarding the war on Libya, even though Pres. Obama never said it himself, yet a clear statement of administration policy is dismissed because he never said it himself (as if the WH can't issue policy statements as to what the President plans to do re: upcoming legislation).

[ClarkUSA]

8. "Obama Puts Public Option and Single Payer Back On The Table" (2/28/11)

Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/28/951074/-Obama-Puts-Public-Option-and-Single-Payer-Back-on-the-Table

Obama supporters knew that HCR would set the stage for further progress to single-payer and the public option. This is what Republicans feared all along. Pres. Obama's Democratic critics, who wanted to "Kill The Bill" never had an inkling, of course.

And finally, this is why conservatives and the Teabagger House want to repeal HCR.

[JuniperLea]

22. On setting the stage...

Yep, I remember those "discussions" and the mud slinging I got when I tried to make that point. There will be no crow eating, however. There will still be whining no matter what. No one will admit they were wrong, they will just move on to the next agita.

[ClarkUSA]

10. This is the most liberal pro-union President in my lifetime.

I am sure the unions appreciate President Obama's watching their back given the all-out frontal assault by GOP Kochroaches.

[brentspeak]

28. Does that mean you're ten years old? n/t

[slay]

11. I agree

n/t

[Keith Bee]

25. No

[treestar]

27. the only thing Obama has in common with Bush is living in the

WH and sitting at the desk in the Oval Office.