Obama will win and win soundly. And deservedly so. It is reality time.

[RBInMaine]

He is at 50% or more and rising more than a year and a half out. Virtually 90% of liberals support him and that will rise. The Pukes are having a civil war between their TeaNut wing and the last remaining remnants of somewhat mainstream conservatives which will increase threefold in the TeaNut primary and cause Pawlenty and Romney to move to the far right which they won't be able to escape. The economy is improving. There are no credible D challengers (nor should there be) nor Indy challengers and he far outshines any RePUKE in the field. Unions and D's will be highly motivated in 2012 and will be out to re-pound the RePUKES given their horrid policies and will mobilize bigtime to support Obama and Dems bigtime. The likes of Nader, Kucinich, and Sanders can never and will never win nationally. If anyone needs a reminder, YouTube Maddow for a listing of the VAST number of PROGRESSIVE accomplishments proving him to be the most progressive President since LBJ if not FDR and still centrist enough on enough issues to win the Indies that MUST be won to win nationally. It is reality time. He will win. And the Pukes know it. And I again will be celebrating along with the vast MAJORITY of mainstream progressives in this country.

[livetohike]

1. Agreed. The GOP will wait until 2016 to try and retake the

White House. By then, the Democratic Party will have some fresh challengers. I can't wait to watch the GOP implode in 2012 :-).

[Peacetrain]

2. Your assessment is correct... K&R

[elocs]

3. DU is not too big on reality. n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

56. I'd venture that the vast majority here believe he'll be re-elected.

Supporters and critics alike.

The real reality.

[Hawaii Hiker]

4. I thought the only way Obama could lose is thru enough GOP voter suppression

And while I'm concerned about some of the tough new voter ID laws (like in Ohio), rethugs have angered SO many people over the union busting actions of midwestern state governors, that i cannot see how Obama can lose...On top of that, all the potential GOP candiates have extensive baggage, none are remotely likeable, and despite Citizens United, Obama will still probably raise $1 Billion+...

Yes, Obama should win soundly...

[AndyTiedye]

6. If They Can Win by Voter Suppression, They Will

We need a landslide to keep them from stealing it.

[AndyTiedye]

5. I Hope You are Right. He SHOULD Win. The Only Risk is "Citizens United"

and the billions of dollars that will be flowing into Repiglican coffers.

[doc03]

7. I don't think that is anywhere near a certainty. n/t

[RBInMaine]

10. It is very certain. I'd wager on it.

[mikekohr]

8. President Obama will pull 52.1% to 54.7% of the popular vote

The most competive Republican candidates are the least likely to win the nomination of their party. And that's good for the good guys. And everyone else.


25 in '12

[jwirr]

9. I think you are right. I am just hoping he does not do what LBJ did

and not run. At the minute I cannot think of anyone else who can win if the rethugs actually come up with some one reasonable.

[Keith Bee]

11. K & FUCKING R!!!

Thank you!!!!!

[radiclib]

12. Hallefuckinlujah

Pardon me if I don't wear bells to the coronation.

[Name removed]

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[RBInMaine]

16. And just who do you think should run who could actually win? It is reality time.

[radiclib]

31. I'm quite sure Obama is the best we can do

If that makes you happy, then rock on.

[paulk]

14. what is the point of this?

The election is 21 months away - that's an eternity in politics.

The "reality" is that Obama and the Democratic Party got their asses handed to them in the 2010 election.

A lot of people thought that after 2008, 2010 would be a cakewalk.

[RBInMaine]

15. What is the point of all the nutty Obama bashing that goes on? Do you care about that? And

it is also highly certain Obama will win. Look at historical trends and the current situation I've outlined. Do you actually think a PUKE could win? Highly doubtful, and they know it.

[paulk]

18. well,

one man's "Obama bashing" is another man's honest criticism.

Of course a PUKE could win. Bush, who is a complete idiot, won.

Twice.

The "current situation" is an economy teetering on the edge of a sustainable recovery - a recovery that could easily be derailed by events outside of Obama's control. Like unrest in the middle east affecting the price of oil. Like the Japanese tsunami and it's effect on the world's third largest economy - an economy closely tied to ours.

[RBInMaine]

38. Much of the Obama bashing here is hyperbolic nastiness, not thoughtful BALANCED "criticism." One is

a fool if one merely "criticizes" the leader of the party for which this forum is named. Yes, Bush won twice. Once because he was appointed by the Supreme Court after he LOST the popular vote by over 400,000, and once by 2.5% because he was the incumbent and the Democratic nominee ran a shitty campaign. That was then, this is now. There is no RePUKE in that field as of now who can touch Obama, and especially after their civil war is over Obama's team will have a field day with their fringe-right statements and positions. The TeaNUTs will push them to the fringe right. I agree that the fledgling recovery could possibly stall somewhat, but it is unlikely to do so enough to halt all the current momentum. And it is unlikely that Obama would be blamed for the oil prices which would be the cause of it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. There is no one who can even come close to beating Obama based on his record of success.

[Ter]

32. Yup, success in staying involved in two wars, starting a new one...

Reopening Gitmo, and supporting the unPatriot Act. You can keep him.

[RBInMaine]

39. He hasn't started another war, he has dramatically wound down Iraq, he is winding down Afghanista, &

just who the hell are you going to support? Nader for the 50th time? Or not vote? Or waste your vote in some other way? You need to get real. Your view is one of tunnel visioned small picture purity.

[Ter]

61. There is no "wound down" in either of Bush's wars

he can call it what he wants, but troops are still there and dying as much as under Bush. He is terrible.

[roscoeroscoe]

68. listen, my unit is going to be on the front line soon pulling out of iraq~

~it's really happening, and it's going to be freakin' dangerous work. a little support would be nice. believe me, it is a gigantic undertaking to SAFELY withdraw from iraq~ every jihadist for a thousand miles will be doing their dirty work, attacking military and civilian targets alike. trying to claim, 'we forced america to leave.'

it's going to be a very tough time period. but believe me, the attitude of the army is, 'we're going to be doing a historic job, turning iraq over to civilian leadership and the iraqi army.'

president obama has managed to handle the impossible mess left to him, iraq and afghanistan, pretty well i would say. after the iraq withdrawal is complete, i would expect to see him turn his attention to drawing down from afghanistan~ that's the timeline he's set.

hang in there, eh? and as i said, the american army is currently conducting the withdrawal from iraq, a planned, careful operation. wish your soldiers and airmen luck.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. The last war wasn't entirely Obama's fault - only indirectly.

[Name removed]

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[CakeGrrl]

30. Wow, I had no idea every poster on DU was a paid pundit for the Left.

Why do people still insist on thinking the "Professional Left" = DU/Left-wing blog account holder?

About as true as "Al Gore invented the Internet".

[frylock]

62. the "professiona left" has a venue to express our views..

when you attack their views, you are also attacking ours. i can't beleive this has to be explained to you. again.

[RBInMaine]

41. I'm not obsessing on it at all. Just calling it out and refuting it for what it clearly is.

[RBInMaine]

51. Ideological purity has never and will never win in a national election. Swing and a miss.

[Armstead]

59. You're a good example of ideological purity

Support President Obama 100 percent and never criticize or question Our Glorious leader or you are a member of the awful left.

[frylock]

64. big tent ideology and the myth of bipartisanship is dragging your party farther to the right..

that's a fact.

[CakeGrrl]

24. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010. And why NOT "this", if primary fantasy posts abound?

Are you on THOSE threads questioning why they were created?

[paulk]

55. most of the "primary fantasy posts"

are coming from Obama's core fan club here at this site, explaining why it's such a bad idea...

so I don't see what your point is.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

63. the point is to call attention to facts. Obama will be the nominee. And he will win.

Are you with us or against us?

[paulk]

73. who the fuck are you

to ask "Are you with us or against us"?

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. What you said!

:thumbsup:

:kick:

:applause:

[handmade34]

19. ...

[Lindsey]

21. Absoulutely agree! n/t

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[opihimoimoi]

23. You Betcha...their Palin bet quit....now they gonna run with Michele

[Knight Hawk]

25. Its the Economy

stupid!..IF the economy is in better shape than it is now AND seems to be improving ,then he has a good chance to be reelected.If the economy is in very bad shape and no signs of improving he will have a very hard time getting reelected.It would not matter much who runs against him the public will just want change.Food and gas are killing me and I blame EVERYBODY in charge.

[Hawkowl]

29. You are 100% correct

If Obama can not at least get the oil and food speculation under control, he is toast. He still has to get unemployment down below 8% (and not with fake numbers). I don't know how he gets wages growing again before 2012, but unless he really starts addressing the income disparity, people are simply going to be unhappy with, as you said, EVERBODY in charge. Incumbents are in peril.

[rury]

27. OBAMA 2012!!!!

[progressoid]

28. A lot of Democrats and Indies won't be voting for him,

they'll be voting against the Republicans.

[RBInMaine]

42. GOOD ! Elections are about choices. Whatever.

[NYC Liberal]

33. Absolutely correct. President Obama has the overwhelming support of the liberal Democratic base.

On top of that, he blows pretty much every hypothetical Republican challenger out of the water.

Will he win 538 electoral votes and 95% of the popular vote? No. But it is an exercise in delusion to believe that Obama is not heading into this election with the advantage.

[quaker bill]

34. I think we take back the house too

The teanut fringe is proving itself incapable of governing in a divided government where negotiation to form an effective majority is required. Government by a collection misfits and sociopaths is not pretty at all, nothing like the image they advertized.

[Dj13Francis]

35. Wishful thinking

I hope so but I've much less faith in the wisdom of the American voter. And even less faith in the unverifiable hackable electronic voting machines. Fraud gave Bush victories in 2000 and 2004, and were 2008 not a landslide would have been used to give 2008 to McCain. In the absence of a landslide, if it looks at all close, fraud will again give it to the Republicans.

davidjamesfrancis.com

[RBInMaine]

43. Well, let's not become too paranoid about "fraud."

[fasttense]

36. I think Obama will win but certainly NOT by a landslide like in 2008.

He will win but without a lot of support from his base.

There is NO RepubliCON challenger. No matter how much money they throw at the election, RepubliCONS just don't have a chance.

I do not believe he deserves to win. He is a moderate RepubliCON who believes in the Milton Friedman theology of trickle down "free" market economy. We will limp along until 2016. Then the RepubliCONS with one of the bush sons will have a good chance of winning. By then, Obama will have destroyed all the liberal organizations that got him into the White House.

[Safetykitten]

40. He will not win no matter what we do.

[RBInMaine]

44. Are you depressed or just plain negative?

[NorthCarolina]

70. Maybe he will run on "Change" this time. nt

[polichick]

37. More accurately, the corporate status quo will win - again...

No matter which party's candidate actually gains the WH.

[RBInMaine]

45. If that's your assessment, what are YOU doing to change the status quo? Just bitching?

[polichick]

47. I'm certainly not applauding this sick status quo as you are - how ridiculous.

[RBInMaine]

52. Don't be silly. No one here is "applauding" excessive corporate power. But in the real world, you

make gains in increments, and you make choices from among what you have in front of you. And to say that Obama and Dems are identical to right wing Republicans on balance couldn't be further from reality.
Two examples are the Wall St. Reform and Healthcare bills. Maybe they don't go far enough, but they go far enough to put those corporations' pants in a bunch and make their RePUKE toadies scream and lie. Also, how about the Fair Pay Law, and Obama/Dems' condemnation of Citizens United? Hell, he called out the Supreme Court over that one right there at the State of the Union. I don't think Obama and most Dems are huge fans of the national Chamber of Commerce nor most Wall Street and insurance corporation executives. Don't allow tunnel visioned purity to cloud the big picture for you.

And so what are you going to do? Vote for Nader? Might as well toss your ballot in a paper shredder.

[TheKentuckian]

69. A spring breeze is enough to have corporations and TeaPubliKlans screaming and lying.

This is the atmosphere where free money by the truck load and record profits sound like a wave of nationalizing their interests while confiscating their bottom dollars.

Surely, you don't think their gnashing of teeth is the result of any real world situation???

Your pointing to their stupidfuck behavior says nothing about the environment for corporations in this country and giving a cartel mandated customers and a key to the treasury is not reigning them in.

[Vinca]

46. He'll probably get lots of Republican votes, too.

[polichick]

48. Those, he will have earned.

[Fearless]

49. Republican lite or Republican. Corporatist or corporatist.

In the words of George Carlin: This country is bought and paid for by the wealthy business elites who don't give a fuck about you.

[RBInMaine]

53. So go out and change it.

[Fearless]

58. Exactly.

[Keith Bee]

50. Realism is vital

It's nice to fantasize, but we've got to deal with an inherently-imperfect world.

[Lindsey]

54. President Obama for 2012. I already posted that people really,

really need to get an F'in grip.

[last_texas_dem]

60. Betting on the outcome of an election a year and a half off is a useless exercise.

One factor that does currently seem to be in Obama's favor is the lack of strong Repug challengers. Then again, IIRC, Bush, Sr. was positioned much better than Obama to win reelection at this point in his presidency, to the point that he wasn't attracting any "A-list" Dem challengers. Even with that factor, that whole Bush reelection thing didn't end up going so well.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

65. so, Obama is Bush???

:sarcasm:

[polichick]

66. It really is far too early to predict at this point...

We don't even know who all the players will be yet.

[GeorgeGist]

67. bookmarking

[Itchinjim]

71. Thank you for this fantasic post.

Obama WILL win despite the wishes of some here on DU.
KNR

[Ramulux]

72. He absolutely doesn't deserve it

but its very likely he will win. The republicans are self-destructing in a way I would never have thought possible and the primary is gonna tear them apart. So sadly, we will be left with another 4 years of moderate republican rule.

Whatever small accomplishments Obama has gotten, as good as some of them may be, they mean nothing compared to the huge and continual fuck-ups we see from this administration on a daily basis. But I guess the fact that he helped pass DADT means I should just ignore the fact that the he broke one of his biggest campaign promises to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Failing to even engage in a serious political fight over the tax cuts showed everyone where this guys priorities really are. He has no desire to balance the budget seeing as its pretty much a literal impossibility without the hundreds of billions of dollars he gave away in useless tax cuts, yet he has decided to make purely political gestures by cutting billions from necessary social programs which keep poor people alive. Obama could not be less deserving of another term, he has been an absolute failure.

Everyone needs to be focused on 2016, we need to plan and prepare early so we can take down whatever DLC-appointed corporatist the party starts grooming for the nomination and set up our own progressive candidate. The next 4 years are a wash, we need to figure out how to turn the democratic party back into something people can be proud of after all the damage Obama has done to the democratic brand.