What if Pres. Obama loses the 2012 election......

[FrenchieCat]

What then?

Some might believe this topic to be dealing with the unthinkable, but I don't believe that it really is. The pundits currently state over and over again that he is a shoe-in, but I don't believe for one minute that this is true. The same pundits also told us that the Republican party was dead, until they (the media) brought them back to life with the made-up-by-the-media Teaparty. We thought good health care reform was possible, until the media made sure that enough turned against any reforms whatsoever. We thought Financial Regulations would be welcomed after the 2008 meltdown, but regulations were fought against tooth and nail by large corps and their money, and our media didn't help.

This question is being asked because I am reading here a lot
from folks who have decided that they may not vote for, work for
or donate to this President's re-election campaign.
So it is fair to say that these same folks don't really care that much as to
the results of the upcoming election, and if that is true,
and enough people are influenced to do the same if they read post after post after post
constantly stating the exact same thing, then there's a good possibility that it could happen--that Pres. Obama could lose....

in fact, to some degree the whiff in the air is the same as what happened in 2000.
Many liberals didn't like Gore, and decided not to vote for him, and not to work for him.
They liked Clinton enough during his own re-election campaign, because I guess he had been more liberal than Gore.....? :shrug:
and so Clinton didn't experience the same repeatily stated ambivalence coming from the Progressive
wing of the Democratic party in 1996.....

So back to my "shit happens" topic....

If Pres. Obama were to lose, what will you do?

I'm curious to understand what would happen after that election, I mean?

What would our future look like
in reference to the Supreme Court, Foreign Policy, the Economy,
health care, etc., etc....?

Just remember when giving an answer to understand that the Big corporate media would help the winner (that wouldn't be Obama) in order to placate the middle in supporting whomever this President would be, just like they did Bush.

[Hugabear]

1. If the rethugs win in 2012, it's seriously time to start looking at other countries

I think you would see a large number of people packing up and leaving if the rethugs win in 2012. Especially if it's a nutcase like Bachmann.

[jberryhill]

12. If it is Bachmann, I'll be looking for another PLANET /nt

[RoccoR5955]

14. Hell, if it's Bachmann, I'll look for another UNIVERSE!!! n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

16. LOL

[FrenchieCat]

44. We said that if Bush won 2004.....

but we did stayed put.

Citizen United may make an Obama loss a possibility....
and the media will help them with it.
I'm just wondering if we will assist as well.
Could be. :(

[jwirr]

46. Most of us have no choice but to stay here.

[FrenchieCat]

47. Exactly.

[vaberella]

84. No no...Bush is nothing like Bachmann or Paul or Palin. Really?

I'll take 3 Bush's any day of the week over any of the above.

[reggie the dog]

55. I left when W was still in his first stolen term

2003 I got my masters a month and a half after the iraq war started, then went on vacation for a month in the usa, then left for europe on "vacation" for a year and never came back. France has its problems for sure but it is so much better over here. Our "right wing" media lefigaro has a right wing slant but even most of their articles are actually balenced in that they try to EXPLAIN ISSUES FULLY which involves quoting "experts" from around the political sphere. So even if the journalist disagrees with it they ususally explain. For instance, when the govt. made driving under cannabis illegal then had a study done about its effect on driving and found out that it raised the possibility of death by 2X it was reported in Figaro, Figaro also reported that this was for someone very stoned and that it corresponeded with an alcohol level of .04 at which the risk of death is doubled. They also reported that the minister of the interior said, when questioned, that he would not cut the alcohol level in half to .04 to correspond with the cannabis level. the newspaper made a passing closing remark about the wine lobby. this is RIGHT wing style journalism in France. If they dont fully explain things and give half truths then they would lose credibility. Of course the journalists often favor free trade or keeping taxes at only 50% for the rich. They also have articles about infighting of political parties left or right and the wrangling between parties. they are critical of the president who is right wing, just not nearly as much as the left wing "liberation".

Was this how it was back when eisenhower was president? Were journalists more concerned about reporting than spreading propaganda?

Does Rupert have less power in France?


????

[vaberella]

83. I'm in France...they take care of you here!

Bachmann makes me want to run for the hills!

[DCBob]

105. So what's the unemployment rate now in France? Its quite high last time I heard.

I suspect most Americans would have a hard time getting a job there?

[joentokyo]

91. Or you could walk like an Egyptian.

[DCBob]

104. There are few options equal or better than the US from a political standpoint..

and those that are have strict immigration requirements. Canada for example has a qualifications "test" that most Americans would fail.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Why don't we just start a new country?

[Kucinich Feingold]

113. Go to Europe!

A great place to piss the rethugs off.

[Life Long Liberal]

2. A lot of my friends are not happy with Obama for good reasons, but all of them know the GOP are....

much worse.

I think it is easy to be mad now but we will all unite to be mad at the GOP candidate.

Nice comments.

[flamingdem]

4. Americans whine in unison with a Koch / Fox funded effort that touches

democrats as well as republicans.

It's cool to dump on Obama now to make oneself look above the fray.

[Life Long Liberal]

7. I think expectations were high. Maybe way too high.

[flamingdem]

26. Expectations that repubs would cooperate were too high as well

they are psychopaths... worse than anyone could have predicted, a little worse at least

[Life Long Liberal]

30. I agree. At some point we need to realize they will never cooperate.

[Golden Raisin]

35. And yet President Obama

keeps trying to be warm, fuzzy, bipartisan, friendly & collegial with them and all they do is openly sneer, blindly negate and obstruct and kick him in the balls.

[FrenchieCat]

39. So the question remains.....

What will you do if Pres. Obama loses?
What balls will you kick then?
Cause I don't see many rank and file kicking Republican balls.....
instead they tend to focus on Obama; kicking his balls.
So without Obama there anylonger,
would you start actually activating big time to kick Republican balls....
or is that only something a President is supposed to do....
and if he doesn't do it, it doesn't get done?

Guess my questions is what are the people good for...
if we aren't doing any ball kicking ourselves?

[onehandle]

3. Highly unlikely, but if he did lose, the Senate would go too, and my wife and I would go to...

[FrenchieCat]

5. I see you found my getaway map!

[Life Long Liberal]

8. I think the UK or Canada might be good too. Maybe bad economy in UK.

[jwirr]

49. And I heard that you have to have a job before you can go there.

Frenchie you asked what I would do. I think I would encourage the younger members of my family to move to Canada if they could but the rest of us would have to stay here. We would run only if it was vital to save our lives and those of the people we love. Fortunately I am only about 100 miles from Canada.

[JTFrog]

54. The same is true of Canada.

You either have to have a special skill set or be set for life already.

I tried in 2005, but I was far too common for them. :eyes:

:shrug:

[reggie the dog]

70. Do you have university degrees?

I looked and with a Master's you get a big point bonus, plus speaking english and french gets you another bonus to go to quebec or new brunswick i think.

I went to france and married a french girl, that is one way to do it too....

come as a student

if you have a ba you can come as a language assistant in a university, it pays ok or a language assistant in high and middle schools which pays shit. the uni teaching would be the way to go as you get yearly contracts and if you stayed for 2 years and worked and then still had a job you could get a 10 year green card "titre de séjour"

if you are a teacher there are schools with international sections and international schools to look at.

depending on your state you may be able to trade drivers licenses but if you move to a city like lyon or paris you dont even need a car at all.

you can get a bullshit job teaching english perhaps but those pay poorly.

on the coast in places like cannes, nice, marseille, monaco, toulon, saint tropez, or menton there is a demand for people who speak english to do all sorts of things (being french english bilingual is best) but there are real estate agents, ostiopaths, dentists, yacht caretakers, gardeners, butlers, maids (often time people search to hire couples as maids/butlers, or maids/gardeners and you work for about 4 or 5 months in the summer, are well paid, and then lodged in the guest house between seasons if they want to rehire you. there is good paying work on yachts too and they want english speakers for the british ex pats and jet set down here. some of these places are willing to file the paperwork but not all.

good luck

[lindalou65]

51. moving to France

LOL! I think a lot of us might be moving to France if the GOP wins the presidency in 2012. My husband and I have already decided that and I have even looked at possible areas where we would move to. We are that serious!

[FrenchieCat]

52. The French will be laughing at us so hard if we lose this.......

most Americans will have to pretend to be Canadians while there.

[vaberella]

86. Yup. The French LOVE Obama too. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

95. Just watch how this Wisconsin Judgeship race goes......

as it will let you know that even when Dems get fired up,
it still is a long way to the victory tape.

My point is that folks who think they are discouraged now....
well, if Obama doesn't win his race, they will not have seen anything
close to the fucked up shit that will be enacted.

I'm not trying to frightened anyone...but shit, when folks are saying
they ain't gonna vote or work or donate and they think its cute;
it doesn't come kinda of close. That shit will be the horror story
that will be retold till time is over.

[golfguru]

dupl n/t

[FrenchieCat]

58. Where's the perfect place, with the perfect leader,

who does everything each individual who voted for him/her is ecstatically happy with all that has gone on since that leader was elected? That's the place we need to move to....cause it sounds
soooo super-Utopian. But then, considering that they must have the bestest immigration policies,
what will we do with our spare time, bitch about the United States some more, but with even less accountability since we wouldn't have to live there anymore? :shrug:

[golfguru]

56. You like Sarkozy?

France is currently making a right turn.

[reggie the dog]

64. all wrong, we are turning hard right and left

the party of sarkozy, the UMP is doing horribly. in our last cantonal elections the left got 65% all combined (green, socialist, communist, unionist, radical etc.) and the right and extreme right got 35% (UMP, FN etc.)

people are fed up with the UMP because the UMP promised an increase in purchasing power and all we got is inflation and unemployment. Sarkozy is seen as a clown by the right and left alike and the "moderates" are likely to vote socialist just to "give the other side a chance". in polls in our 2 tour elections (1 round with 8 candidates or so then a second between the top 2 vote getters if no one gets a majority) sarkozy is getting about 15 to 18%, the ultra right woman Marine LePen (fascist party, racists think of the tea party but more "refined") are getting 20 to 23% and the socialists are polling at 25% to 35% depending on their candidate. Just Today, the candidate ahead in the polls at 35%, Socialist Dominique Strauss Kahn, head of the IMF, denounced the "dark side of globalization" the coté obscure (like in star wars) citing that it is helping the gap between rich and poor widen and that he has seen this as head of the IMF, he cited social inequalities and unemployment as sources of unrest that need to be solved and proposed "double taxing" the financial industry to fund such efforts. to me it seems like he is hinting that he will run in the socialist primaries.

the left won every election since the pres was elected 4 years ago. the left controls a majority of regions (like states) departements (sort of like states or counties) mayors offices, cantonal officials, and our nomination only senate (like the house of lords) is likely to tip left at the next wave of nominations to reflect this.

the socialists and greens will likely hash out something for the legislative elections and the prime minister will have either an outright socialist majority or even better a communist, socialist, green, center left coalition (red, pink, green, orange) which would really reflect the people voting.

sarkozy is likely toast because the average person here has lost confidence in him and the media wont change that, the media seemed very pro EU constitution, as were the 2 major parties, but we still voted no on the eu constitution because it had clauses that would have put state run monopolies at risk of being privatized under eu mandate. the latest treaty has changed the legislation and the EU still has no official constitution. the average person in france is distrustful of money and power.

i love it here, althought i must say i live in the shittiest, most right wing regioin. where i live voted 85 fucking percent on the right in the latest elections when the country as a whole voted 35 percent on the right, holy shit! no wonder the cops have so many roadblocks here yet my friends from other regions have so few... i have my sunshine though, and lots of old retiree fascists and displaced families who had to leave algeria 50 years ago. plus a navy base, an army base, an artillery school, and an air force base.... plus the rich jet set from near Saint Tropez all the way to Monaco or even Menton....

up in the mountains it is different but the jobs are found down in the valley or on the coast.

[golfguru]

68. When I win the lottery I am moving to the French Riviera

Positively the best place on earth.

[reggie the dog]

71. i live here, well just where provence and the cote d'azur meet

and just where the alps start so it is cheaper, in the var behind the coastal range.

85% right wing but one of the prettiest, nicest places to live to be found anywhere. mid may to mid september are dry hot, april and october are warm, november and march are pleasant, december jan and feb it is often cold, only 45 to 55 and a few days a year only 35.

I can comfortably go biking outside 10 to 11 months of the year and in tshirt and shorts for 6 to 7 months

it is an excellent place

i am not even rich, i am actually poor... but who needs money when you have nice weather and beautiful landscapes to go with great food.

[FrenchieCat]

72. My cousin just moved to Dubai from Nice......

precisely because he had been unemployed for the past two years.

[reggie the dog]

78. what line of work was he in?

[FrenchieCat]

88. Computer software programming.

[reggie the dog]

57. Excellent Idea

Anywher in a line from Bordeaux, Toulouse, Montpellier, Marseille, Monaco has nice weather, either like the carolinas or so cal depending on where you are

up north from rennes caen, rouen lille, it is seattle or portland kind of weather, paris is cloudy as hell too,

lyon is nice with hot summers and cold winters but not a lot of snow int he valley, but you can get a foot all of the sudden, like saint louis or memphis perhaps?

[vaberella]

85. Welcome. It's great here! n/t

[CTyankee]

114. last september I met an American couple who retired to France.

It wasn't easy. They have a lot of money, which was good because the French government forced them to put quite a large sum of money into a bank that kept the money, sort of in escrow, to pay for anything they might need and keep them off the dole in France. They were close to 65 and were figuring out how they would be able to use Medicare.

It sounded very complicated. Of course, neither of them was French, so perhaps your or your wife is eligible for French citizenship?

[DJ13]

6. Then I would hope our side learns to fight & lead as the minority

Just as the GOP has since 2008.

I wont get my hopes up.

[FrenchieCat]

10. But what happen in this country while this minority learn how to fight?

By that I mean, if Pres. Obama loses, I strongly think we would also lose the Senate,
and the GOP would keep the House....and remember that on our side of the aisle,
Democrats are much more splintered, and don't have big media on their side to help them
turn around public opinion....like the GOP does.

[DJ13]

24. There comes a time to stand up for our beliefs

When we had all three branches of the government we squandered the opportunity to reverse the damage done by the conservatives by trying to play nice with conservatives who would just as easily slit our throats as return the gesture.

Maybe what our party needs is a "come to Jesus" moment, where what passes for leadership in our party begins to recognize that the other side is out to kill all the good left in our country, and the Democratic party would become obsolete if they win.

What our party needs is unification, a recognition that we have to stop trying a bipartisan approach in dealing with an opposition that never quits.

Its like our party is the modern equivalent to Neville Chamberlain, and the GOP is planning for world domination.

[Peacetrain]

36. I am standing up for my beliefs and I am voting Obama.. I have seen the alternative

I live in Iowa..

Your come to Jesus moment is wrapped up in a tea bag sack..

[FrenchieCat]

37. See, I don't buy in to us having all three branches of the government......

because without the media, which is the 4th estate,
it still wasn't enough.

It may be easy for you on the one hand to preach about a mythical congressional monolithic
vote that you thought we had, while on the other hand make grand statements about standing up for one's beliefs. Have you ever thought that perhaps those Blue Dogs Democrats in the majority that we had in congress were standing up for their beliefs, which just happened to have been different from ours here at DU? Seriously....ever thought about that?

[DJ13]

42. It may be easy for you... to preach about a mythical congressional monolithic vote

But its not "mythical", the GOP has proven that the last two years.

Im saying that if the other side is capable, we need to be as well, otherwise we might just as well cede all governance over to conservatives and wait for our country's downfall.

We're supposedly smarter than the GOP, lets act like it instead of caving in at every opportunity.

[FrenchieCat]

50. We are not monolithic as Democrats, whether in Congress, as voters, and as activists.....

It's simply not what the Democratic party is known for,
although Republicans are known as dittoheads, and lockstep marchers....
in other words, the GOP is totally the opposite of the Dem party.

Again, you stated that we had a majority in the house, the senate and the presidency,
but yet got little done.

So my answer was that we didn't really have a majority, as Democrats that made up the majority
were not monolithic in how they see things. Many stood up for their beliefs, which
were not the beliefs that we thought they should have, but it is exactly how they
got elected; because they were centrist Democrats. So they did stand up for what they believed,
which is specifically what you advocate....but again, the problem was that their beliefs and what you and I believed were not the same thing. This fact doesn't help those who want to simply blame Dictator Obama for everything that they didn't get, but it is the plain unadultared truth, and nothing can really change it.....

[reggie the dog]

74. not dittoheads

just people who negotiate behind closed doors then present a unified front to the people.

[reggie the dog]

73. we need winston chruchill, not chamberlain

i know churchill was on the right but he knew when he had to brawl!

[FrenchieCat]

75. Churchill didn't live in these times,

so that ain't neccesarily what we truly "need"....
but you know that.

I know...sometimes the answer seems so easy,
in theory...anyways.

[damntexdem]

9. Costa Rica?

Or is that not far enough? Argentina?

[flamingdem]

28. Drug gangs moving in to CR nt

[razorman]

11. I've never heard anyone say he is a "shoe-in". Also, the press has written off

both the Democratic and Republican parties numerous times over the years. They are both still here. I figure that the best we can do is fight the good fight, and stand up for our beliefs. Screw the media.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Oh....yes, the media is saying that barring a true disaster, he will most likely win.....

of course, they say that now....
and I think it is done with a purpose....
of allowing us to continue to feed on the ambivalence
that is being spread day in, day out.

[emulatorloo]

19. They will change tunes when the time is right. They've "mainstreamed" the teabaggers

they are calling Ryan's budget Bold and Courageous. They'll do everything they can for the Republican presidential nominee.

[FrenchieCat]

23. I think they are prepping Ryan myself.

They are working on his name recognition for right now....
cause he's the only one with an iota of Charisma and
mainstream respectability.....

and of course, Dems are too busy shitting on Pres. Obama
to assault Ryan's ass unmercifully....
but of course, that is what we Democrats do; instead of fighting
the real opposition, we fight those we think we can move.

[Blaukraut]

45. You might be right about Ryan being prepped to run

if not in '12, then definitely in '16. (Look for Ryan/Rubio or Rubio/Ryan.) The media are all over him as the 'courageous' one. While he is as batshit crazy as Bachman, he manages to hide it well.

[FrenchieCat]

48. He's the only pretty boy they have,

unless one counts a Romney!

Plus he talks so fast, one gets the impression he knows what he's talking about,
even when he doesn't have a clue...and that's exactly the kind of candidate
the GOP loves!

So I think he's "IT" for 2012.....which is why announcements have been pushed back
to September....just about enough time to get his name out there, and for the media whores
to build his reputation as courageous and smart.

[razorman]

22. I think that is pretty much always true of an incumbent. The incumbent has a built-in advantage.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Many DUers would be rejoicing!! n.t

[FrenchieCat]

20. If I were truly selfish and uncaring,

I too would be curious to see the aftermath if this President were to lose....
Of course, as you well know, his loss would also mean the loss of many AA voters
for years to come, as many would simply say--Fuck this, and those who made this happen...
let them suffer, cause that's all they truly understand.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

38. My brother sent me a text today. He was very discouraged. As a 40 year old black male

he voted for the first time in 2008 and he still loves Obama. He, and many black Americans understand the hand that this man has been dealt. I'm not saying that we all speak with one voice and agree with everything Obama has done. In fact, in my discussions with friends and family, a recurring complaint is that Obama simply isn't been forceful enough, and doesn't hit back swiftly and hard enough against the Republicans. Apart from that one complaint, there hasn't really been anything else.

My brother wonders why Democrats fight each other rather than focus on the Republicans. He doesn't know much about politics like we do, but he knew that the Republicans blocked over 400 pieces of legislation that came from the House and yet Obama was blamed for it.

He also knows that the Southern Strategy is alive and well. Get poor and middle-class whites to vote against their best interest and support Republicans. The majority of black Americans are well aware of this strategy because it continues to work against them.

This is simply a struggle between the haves and have-nots. Middle class Americans who continue to side with Republicans are speeding their own demise.

I am discouraged a bit myself, but the stakes are too high to throw in the towel...

[FrenchieCat]

53. Yep......

But we must not let them discourage us.....
that's what they want, some for varied reasons,
none of which will end up in doing any good
for this nation.

[donheld]

96. Yea right

[emulatorloo]

17. Are you speaking of the impending Repub-apocalypse?

Well I wouldn't give up, but it certainly will be very very bad.

They are overplaying their hand now, but apparently the media is going to try to protect them as much as they can by "mainstreaming" Ryan and this extremist budget.

[RoccoR5955]

18. It won't matter much.

We would get little with Obama in office, because he refuses to fight for anything for WE THE PEOPLE, unless them, the corporations benefit tenfold.

The Cons are going to do what they will, and as long as money rules the elections, we are going to have a tweedle dee, and tweedle dum slate of candidates. Both parties represent corporate interests, and the only way to stop this is to get the money out of elections.

Perhaps a revolution could be a good thing. As long as WE THE PEOPLE were victorious over the corporatists, and their interests.

[Cali_Democrat]

21. Much of the criticism you see of Obama is because we don't want him to lose

We want him to push REAL progressive agenda and that probably gives him the best chance at victory.

Caving into Republicans will hurt him, especially in the general election because it will be hard to distinguish between him and his opponent on important issues like tax cuts, wars and indefinite detention.

If he loses, it will be because he never listened to his base.

[FrenchieCat]

32. So you are saying that all of the talk about possibly not voting for Obama,

or at the very least not working for him and certaintly not donating to his campaign
wouldn't have anything to do with him losing?

You are then saying that it would be only his fault,
even if those who knew that in encouraging ambivalance,
they were in fact encouraging folks to not even want to vote
and yet, they would be blameless in your judgment?

See, I don't operate in a tightly sealed convenient vaccum,
in where I hold only one person solely responsible
for results of an election, where everyone has one vote, especially,
if I didn't do all that I could have.

[flamingdem]

60. It's not working! The noise of the left just combines with the right = confusion + hate vibe nt

[Bodhi BloodWave]

108. would that be the base that keeps threatening to withhold their votes or refuse to donate et al? n/t

[center rising]

25. If Obama loses, then we're screwed!! Cannot allow that to happen.

[Auntie Bush]

90. Finally a voice of reason. nt

[Solomon]

27. I refuse to beg these people to vote for Obama

Let 'em have their way. Most of 'em are the very ones who can't afford to have republicans win.

I'll vote the way I have done my whole life: democrat

The whiners can do what they like with their vote. I'm sick of it.

[jaxx]

29. If the President loses we are in a world of hurt.

More than we can imagine. Think of the laws that will be changed back to the old days of no social support systems in this country. Abortion? Forget it. Social Security? Less and less until it's gone. Health care? It's back to pay up or die. The SCOTUS is a joke now, think of what it can be with 9 pubs sitting there. The list goes on and on. Until we are pre-1935 they will never let up.

We need to work and make sure it doesn't happen. Because, as you said, it can happen.

[AtomicKitten]

31. The assault on the only person standing between us and the teabaggers has begun.

The self-righteous nihilists are out in force like clockwork looking for a 2000 redux.

[FrenchieCat]

94. Oh fey.....

Howard Dean states that folks will have to work, donate and vote,
or else, it ain't gonna happen.....an Obama 2nd term.
http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4529

Just picture that, and how many will feel vindicated for a few minutes prior to
begin screaming at the top of their lungs when the GOP sticks their
entire fist up their asses! They'll be screaming about principles or something....
will be most likely inaudible.

[Loge23]

33. Don't worry, Most will just hold their nose and vote D (eom)

[FrenchieCat]

41. What if that's not enough against Citizens United?

What if simply being ambivalent while voting doesn't do it?

You know, its not like there will be an instant do-over.
Are you willing to take the chance of being led down a path
that has no fork in the road till way too late?

2004 is a perfect example. Many liberals just knew that Bush would lose.
but he didn't. and so we got not 4 but 8 years of hell.

[butterfly77]

124. You got that right...

"2004 is a perfect example. Many liberals just knew that Bush would lose.
but he didn't. and so we got not 4 but 8 years of hell."


Lol!!!:rofl:

[louslobbs]

34. I guess if enough people tried to get out of the country, that would be a benefit to the thugs in

in addition to their government take over, less people to fight them as they put into overdrive their plan for a Christian nation, under Christian rule according to their interpretation of the "bible". Corporations would write laws and as long as they comported with their "Christian values", would be passed by their christian government rulers. Also, the internet would be regulated and sites that did not share the christian rulers belief system would be banned from the net and only christian propaganda would posted to brainwash those who are not yet "born again". lol.....Then, all sorts of laws would be passed, laws against Muslims, laws against blacks, laws against gays, laws against jews, laws against protesting, laws against sex out of marriage, laws making the "bible" the national book, laws against interracial marriage, major changes in the CONstitution, laws allowing 10 year election cycles for all branches of government, laws to kick out "all" of the undocumented and laws to limit the number of children other people can have, while white christians can procreate like bunnies, probably a mandatory amount of children for these people, like all white christians must have at least 6 children, to continue the breeding and teaching of the christian doctrine to stock the country full of believers and followers. All of the poor would be picked up and transported to work farms where they would work twelve hr days for meals and barracks like housing. Those who are sick, will be sent to an area for those who are ill where they will wait for government treatment or die. There would be laws against foul language, appearing in public without your bible, and not attending church without a doctors note. Prayers would be mandatory in school and all school books would be re-written to teach how our founders were Christian and the reasons for a christian nation. These are just a few of the changes that the Authoritarian Republican Rulers would make in order to form a more perfect christian union. lol, these people are sick, and must never, ever, get all of the power of our government again. Lou

[Fire1]

40. God help us. I'm sure slavery will be reinstituted.

Oh boy! I better get my dialect together. Comin Mz. Scarlett! Go round back soes massa don sees you!

[Solomon]

112. LOL

Thanks for the laugh. I probably should be crying, but thanks for the laugh.

[butterfly77]

125. Lol!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Phoonzang]

43. Within 5 years:

[Cleita]

59. He's not going to lose unless Jesus Christ is

running on the Republican ticket. What the Repubs are offering up now are no competition for him or any Democrat for that matter.

[FrenchieCat]

63. Sometimes it's not about the candidate,

it's about the media making sure that the majority of people don't find out
anything they don't want us to know about them; case in point--GW Bush.

[craigmatic]

61. If Obama loses in '12 we'll win back the house by '14.

[FrenchieCat]

62. United Citizen doesn't think so.

and unfortunately, if they win the next election,
I put my bet on them getting what they want....forevermore....
cause let's face it, we aren't good at much more than being courageous attack dogs
of our own party. Just like our counterpart Democrats we complain about endlessly,
we aren't that good at attacking the opposition in a way that actually makes a
difference.

[craigmatic]

65. Actually I think that if Obama loses the repub overreach will be so great that we'll win both houses

by a huge margin just like we did in 2006. It'll be Wisconsin on a national level. You're right we attack each other alot but for the first time in a long time the republicans are just as split as we are and that gives us the advantage because we know how to disagree with each other but still work together but it's not clear that they've learned that trick yet.

[JTFrog]

67. LOL.

I needed a good laugh.

Thanks.

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

69. United Citizen says that's not how it will go down.

They weren't around in 2006....and don't forget that the new President may have
the honor of nominating a Justice.

Also note, the media will do their job, and it won't be in our favor....
and they are much more potent than anyone cares to acknowledge simply
because it is very scary to understand that the media does not work for us;
as it is a fact that their interest are the same as those of the Republicans.

It is easy to believe the best, but you can always bet on the worse.

Some also thought that Bush jr. wouldn't be that bad initially.....
and it took them years to realize that...yes, he was--that bad.

[SteveG]

66. Keep your passport current

you may have to leave before the inauguration.

[sudopod]

76. You would do well to use more carrot and less stick. nt

[FrenchieCat]

77. Odd, so many around me appear to be carrying hammer and nails.....

perhaps you should counsel them too!

[FrenchieCat]

79. Message for the unreccing brigade.....

y'all don't like thoughtful conversation, I see.

Nice to know.

[FrenchieCat]

82. LOL! look at the numbers of views! TOO fucking LATE!

I'm about to tweet this post, so there! :rofl:

[swilton]

80. I don't agree with your pointof departure

which in general finds fault with the media rather than the Obama Administration for the economic/environmental and foreign policy crises plaguing our country and stimulating dissatisfaction with Obama's base of former supporters..

Paul Jay on the eve of the 2010 elections gave six ways the Democratic Party failed to put the nails in the GOP coffin. Just to refresh your memory, here is the list of six.

1. Allowed Republicans to rebrand themselves as populists
2. Old mindset in US foreign policy
3. Not defending the public option for health care reform
4. Not Using the Auto Bailout to Build A Green Economy
5. Bailing Out Bankers and not the Banking System
6. Not investigating Bush and Cheney

If you changed the wording in number 3 to not defending the middle class for financial reform, and changed number 4 to address building a Green Economy vice a War Economy, the list would still be valid today.

The Republican Party like the Democratic Party is fragmented and the fragmented parties lend options for a third party candidate to get the majority of votes - that is what I'm banking on....There is no substantive difference between the Democratic Party and the GOP as it stands now.

[FrenchieCat]

81. Yep...I find fault with the corporate media......

where, as the 4th estate, they have a job to do, and they ain't been doing it.

When the President of the United States isn't allowed on television more than two minutes
to give a job reports speech on the day the unemployment rate goes down while we are in a recession
and voters say that the economy is the most important thing.....instead, you get a newsreader
telling you that if the Prez says anything important, they'll let us know
--then anyone with a brain knows something is seriously fucked,
and it ain't the White House.

You can blame who you want,
but it won't make you right.

[vaberella]

87. If Obama loses...the nation becomes the Wild West or something out of Orwell's 1984.

Both bad.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

89. will go to Sweden

[1stlady]

92. I'm curious to know how the GOP came back?

They didn't come back, the dems sat home and didn't vote during the mid-term elections. Dems only get motivated to vote when its a presidential election. We have to do everything in our power to make sure he doesn't loose. Because he does loose, all I can say is welcome to teabaggerUSA.

[FrenchieCat]

93. But also the media resurrected the GOP via the Teaparty......

They did great work!

[whatchamacallit]

97. We're screwed either way

or haven't you noticed?

[FrenchieCat]

98. No I haven't......

But it's kind of like being married to a pretty nice man, although not perfect, and divorcing him to find a better model....only to end up with a wife beater/axe murderer.

As you know at DU, at some point if you don't support the Democratic candidate,
and insist on saying that both parties are the same, you will need to find a new
place to spread your bullshit.

[whatchamacallit]

99. I know the devoted are wetting themselves waiting for a DU rule to kick in

that will either muzzle critics or result in a mass purge. Hooray for democracy! I will continue to speak my mind. If the people who run this place feel it is in their interest to give me the boot, so be it.

[FrenchieCat]

100. Most devoted to progress sure in the hell are waiting for the

progressive know-every-goddamn-thing to stop talking long enough to realize
they don't know as much as they think they do....with one of those things being
how to win elections.

[ReggieVeggie]

101. he'll have no one but himself to blame

[FrenchieCat]

109. And then what?

You see Blame is not a solution to any problem....
even if it is the only thing that the netroot seem
to be fixated on.

[ReggieVeggie]

119. I see, so Obama's potential loss is not submitted for reasoning?

It just happened because, Oh, I dunno, the MEDIA and its right-wing bias? If Obama should lose, what does that say about his record, or governing, or ability to connect with the average voter? Oh no, it's not a blame type of situation. So, then what? Then Democrats might have to figure out a new way of doing things so that simplistic media claptrap won't so easily sway large groups of people.

[FrenchieCat]

120. So it's all about Obama for you.

If Obama lose, we lose....
and if you don't understand the true power of the media,
and why they are mentioned in the 1st amendment,
then you and I don't have much to discuss.

[ReggieVeggie]

121. That's true

because you only want to hear what you want to hear

So, if it's NOT about Obama, what is it about? You just said that if Obama loses, we lose. So it's about Obama then! ?

[ipaint]

102. More of the middle class will fall into poverty.

And democrats and republicans will consider you invisible and expendable. Oh, and your taxes will go up, you won't have enough to eat and you will struggle to keep a roof over your head by working shit jobs for shit pay until you drop dead.

Elections will have little or no effect on your life because you are the forgotten. You will exist only as a collective warning to the remaining comfy middle class that dares to vote for someone other than a faux progressive who is dedicated and invested (as are all you) in our current class system and it's consequences.

Middle class elections centered on middle class concerns to appease myopic middle class voters.

Same old, same old.

[Sherman A1]

103. A couple of things

1). Someone else would then be President.

2). In my opinion it would be his own fault for tossing his base under the bus.

But, he will most likely win, he is a good campaigner and speaker, who will generate a huge amount of money and votes (excluding mine in both cases). There is also the poor GOP field this time, they will run someone, but that person will most likely be a throw away candidate as was Bob Dole against Clinton.

[DCBob]

106. Obama could have lost in 2008 and it was not because of losing his base..

The biggest threat to Obama is Fox and other RW media/talk shows, etc. These are a very powerful forces and could sway the election to the Republicans given their candidate is not a total nutcase.

[FrenchieCat]

110. In otherwords, you are fine with whatever.....

and since you are saying that you aren't voting for this President come the GE,
and you will not donate, as you stated here.....
then it appears that you don't really give a shit about the outcome of
anything in a long run, and are willing to throw the nation under the bus
in order to make whatever point you think you will be making,
by withholding your vote and money.

So the truth of the matter is that in reality
you don't care as much as you pretend to....
And since you aren't willing to be a part of the solution of anything,
by abstaining, that makes whatever are the results your fault too,
even if you want to believe otherwise, and think you can rationalize
some reason why you not doing your part somehow doesn't make you responsible;
it does. A progressive stands for progress....while it appears that you stand
for nothing except for whatever others decide without your participation.

[Sherman A1]

116. Thank you for your condescension, however

My point is that I won't vote for or support a Republican (that is the case no matter what party they claim membership). I also do not buy into the lesser of two evils argument, so no-sale on that one.

My vote is in fact MY vote not yours. I get to choose to vote for whoever I believe would do the best job for the particular office and if I believe that none of the candidates are suitable, I get to skip that office and move down the ballot or skip voting at all.

That's the way it works.

If Mr. Obama wants my vote and support, he will need to convince me that he is much more progressive than I have seen to date. I voted and supported him in 2008, but 2012, me thinks not, unless I see some reason to Hope for Change that I can Believe In.

[FrenchieCat]

117. Then don't vote....

But then don't try to pretend to care for this nation....
and no, I don't believe that Pres. Obama is evil like the Teabaggers do...
so it would be fraudulent to sell this ideal.

Yes, your vote is yours.....and when you don't vote, in my book, whatever you have to say
doesn't count.

[Sherman A1]

122. A but my vote does count as does my opinion. You see

there is that little part about paying taxes involved here, so if I contribute to the coffers I get to have an opinion on how it's spent.

My point (which you seemed to have missed) is that I don't believe Mr. Obama has satisfied my expectations (and there were pretty low with which to start), nor has he in my opinion satisfied his campaign talk of fighting for labor and the working person. I don't believe he is evil and don't believe I ever said he was or alluded to such a stance, simply that I am dissatisfied with his work. He is asking me for a job, I am not happy with his performance thus far, so no vote.

And frankly, I find your comment insinuating that I do not care for this nation both personally insulting and baseless. You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you place yourself in a position to serve as judge & jury for my opinion of the performance of an elected official (which apparently does not agree with yours). I might suggest some reading of the First Amendment to the US Constitution. You, Sir are not the "Thought Police."

[FrenchieCat]

123. 2.4 years in, you have already clearly stated you ain't voting or donating or working for him.....

and I don't care about your taxes, cause I ain't the government,
and neither is DU.

People that participate on political forums
and have big opinions, but state that they won't vote
don't need my attention.
You are on ignore (which I know ain't no biggie!)

Bye! :hi:

[Sherman A1]

127. As are you

Ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harun]

111. Guantanamo would stay open, more wars, same diff.

[FrenchieCat]

118. No, not the same difference.

But keep telling yourself that there isn't one....
if it will make you feel better in determining what you do about it.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

115. Frenchie, I think Colbert summed up my feelings last night, when he said...

...(praphrased) just because you wanted a slice of bread, and only got a 1/2 slice of bread, doesn't mean you would reject it, for a muffin made of broken glass.
-----
I'll certainly work and donate to make sure that the president remains the president.

(my personal views are most closely represented by Dennis Kucinich)

:hi:

[Thrill]

126. Supreme Court

is all I can say.

[SadPanda]

128. Obama has done an excellent job of governing and a poor job of communicating his difficulties...

His accomplishments as President are simply amazing in comparison to past Presidents. The problem is that the financial health of the country was in shambles when he took office. A real turnaround from the type of financial crisis experienced BEFORE he took office is at least a decade. Despite that FACT he managed to pass over TWO TRILLION dollars in Stimulus, Healthcare and bailout bills with the first two years of his Presidency. Money that the Congressional Budget office has repeatedly shown to BE VERY PROFITABLE in long term projections. It takes half a decade for these huge programs to show up on the real economic radar.Then another five years to become appreciated and accepted. Bottom line is that millions of Americans aren't out of work and begging on street corners right now. That was a real possibility when he took office.

They have NOT communicated that well. I personally don't understand why.

[FrenchieCat]

129. Welcome to DU!

My understanding is that adverting a crisis is like one didn't happen,
and makes it a hard sell....

But yes, a little touting would be good.....
but with all of the noise that we make,
you will notice that the netroot doesn't communicate
the point either.....
It is a problem. :(