Still Waiting On Official Word (Update 2)

[ProSense]

TPM: Still Waiting On Official Word

(updated to add last paragraph)

The GOP conference meeting is breaking up. Some of the most conservative Republicans, like Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Steve King (R-IA), have hurried away without talking to reporters, TPM's Brian Beutler reports from the Hill. But various reports suggest Speaker Boehner used the meeting to sell his members on a stopgap measure that avoids a shutdown and a long-term deal that will be voted on next week.

A senior Democratic aide tells TPM that the stopgap includes $2 billion in cuts (other reports have pegged it at $3 billion) and the long-term deal includes $38-$39 billion in cuts. That puts the spending cuts very near what Boehner had been seeking all along.

Part of the deal includes a floor vote in the Senate to defund Planned Parenthood, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) tells reporters. That's presumably a symbolic vote that will fail but is in return for Republicans giving up a similar provision in the budget resolution.

Good grief!

Have they lost their minds?


Update 2:

Late Update: The first "official" word of a deal comes in a tweet from Harry Reid's spokesman Jon Summers: "We have an agreement. Details/statement coming soon."

[vroomvroom]

1. You really think there's going to be a Shutdown? Logically, GOP got everything, now just time.

Willing to bet this ends before midnight.

[ProSense]

3. Who said anything about expecting a shutdown?

The only expectation I have is that Democrats not dealing with these fucks. If it results in a shutdown, so be it.

Do you expect them to continue dealing regardless of the GOP's demands?

[Fearless]

15. Well you're right about one thing. They didn't deal. They caved to practically every demand.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. Who lost their minds?

:shrug:

[ProSense]

4. "Part of the deal includes a floor vote in the Senate to defund Planned Parenthood"

Why? What's the point: to appease the teabaggers?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. What's wrong with that?

Are you afraid of it passing in the Senate? Is it not subject to a possible filibuster? President Obama could still veto (and likely will)it if it made it through (somehow). It's probably just going to be a "symbolic vote" like your post said. :shrug: It's what should've happened in the first place IMHO.

[ProSense]

6. Hmmm?

"Are you afraid of it passing in the Senate? Is it not subject to a possible filibuster? President Obama could still veto."

No, but why agree to it just for the hell of it?

The President just spoke and said that these issues shouldn't be a part of the budget debate so why include them in a deal?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. Well, I agree with you that it shouldn't have been part of it

but it obviously was- and was keeping a deal from happening up until the very end. Agreeing to a floor vote that in all likelihood won't succeed in passing and/or getting signed by President Obama should've been an obvious solution to the hang-up (though the Republicans weren't going to let it go THAT easily). They obviously thought that they could somehow get it through attached to the budget. The Dems should be credited IMHO for not allowing them to do so.

[karynnj]

13. Look at it another way.

The Republicans think this is good for them because they say that it could hurt 12 Democrats, who will have to vote for it. However, I think this backfires on them.

This gives Democrats a chance to really get out the message of what Planned Parenthood does. There was a wonderful press conference yesterday with Democratic women Senators on this. In addition, there was a very good op-ed Kerry wrote last month, http://www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x945639477/Kerry-Money-lives-and-Planned-Parenthood#ixzz1FXgBKuwi

Yesterday, Kyl had to backtrack on his lie in his Senate speech that 90% of Planned Parenthood money goes to abortion - saying it was not meant to be factual. It is shocking that the response does not say it was an error, but that blatant falsehoods on the floor of the Senate are ok by them.

I would bet that if the facts are out there, a no vote would be either neutral or positive in most states. In addition, Susan Collins, likely thanking God she ran in 2008, Olympia Snowe, and Scott Brown may have a very tough vote. Brown may have the toughest time because he already told the mainstream media that he thought cutting PP went too far - yet told the RW that he was not speaking of PP, but all Title X groups. (The statement was vague - but was given to the MSM as on PP, where they praised him as moderate.)

[MH1]

14. 'a chance to really get out the message ' - the problem

is that too many people just won't bother listening. The shock tactics of the extremists are much more effective, *even when they are subsequently shown to be false *, than rational discussion of the facts.

Sorry, I am not in a mood for seeing the bright side of things.

That said, let it be voted on. Let the extremists eventually win this argument, while at the same time funneling our tax dollars to religious schools.(from what I hear that also was included in the agreement - federal funding for private school vouchers in DC. W.T.F.??) But, a small consolation is that many of these sick twisted fucks will literally burn in the hell of their own making in their lifetimes, when women they care about (or their own reputations or bank accounts, which probably will matter more to them), suffer because of what they have done.

[karynnj]

16. I agree that getting truth out is very very hard when the RW echo chamber

validates lies each and every day.

It is completely depressing and makes the case for why are free press is a prerequisite to having a real democracy. Something is really wrong where over 2 and a half years, the percent of people who question where the President was born increased - even though the proof is as water tight as possible.

[jenmito]

7. It's DOA. Just symbolic. I think it's GOOD to get all the Repubs. on the record voting to

defund Planned Parenthood.

[ProSense]

8. Here's what Jake Tapper

tweeted.

Does that make sense?

[jenmito]

17. Yeah, it makes sense...

and as someone said this morning on MSNBC, these votes will put people like Scott Brown and Mark Warner to go on the record on their positions for such issues, and it could come back to haunt them with some of their constituents. It will do nothing for the rest of them whose positions are clear on the issues. None of those things will become law.

[Arkana]

9. Yep.

In the Senate it will most assuredly fail, and even if it didn't the President would never allow it past his desk.

Same goes for the Affordable Care Act repeal vote they were promised--the Senate won't vote to repeal, and even if they do the President won't sign a repeal of his own bill and they don't have the votes to override.

[ProSense]

10. Right, they're not going to pass. They

allow Republicans to save face by throwing a bone to the nuts.

[boston bean]

12. Welcome home Prosense! nt