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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:50 PM
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The Progressive Case For Passing The Senate Health Bill (updated)
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 06:58 PM by ProSense

The Progressive Case For Passing The Senate Health Bill

Since Joe Lieberman demanded stripping the public option and Medicare buy-in provisions from the merged Senate bill, some strong progressives like Howard Dean have argued that without a public option or a Medicare buy-in provision, the bill is a giveaway to private insurers and should be killed. Other progressive leaders like Senators Jay Rockefeller, Tom Harkin and Sherrod Brown believe that the bill represents the best chance for passing health care reform in the foreseeable future. “I’m going to vote for it,” Brown told reporters. “I can’t imagine I wouldn’t. I mean there’s too much at stake.”

Change of the magnitude envisioned by health care reformers does not come easily. There have been many frustrations and there will be more. But, as a senior White House staffer with a ringside seat for the slow death of comprehensive care in 1994, I am keenly aware of the real alternative to the bills now before us: millions more Americans without health care and billions more for health care spending as the same challenges President Clinton tried to resolve continue to metastasize unchecked.

So while I have great respect for Governor Dean, and we have worked together to provide the strongest health care reform bill for the American people, I come down on the side of the Senate passing the bill.

Here’s why:

The Senate health care bill is not without its problems. But if enacted, it would represent the most significant public reform of our health care system that Congress has passed in the 40 plus years I have worked in politics. The bill will give health care coverage to a record 31 million Americans who are currently uninsured, lay a foundation that will begin to lower costs for millions of families, and provide all Americans with the access to adequate and dependable coverage when they need it most.

All of us are anxious to see the final language from the Senate. And a final bill must ensure that the subsidies provided are sufficient to make insurance truly affordable for working families. But based on what we know, here are my top ten reasons for why progressives should support the Senate passing the bill:

  1. Largest Expansion Of Coverage Since Medicare’s Creation: Thirty-one million previously uninsured Americans will have insurance.
  2. Low/Middle Income Americans Will Not Go Without Coverage: For low-income Americans struggling near the poverty line, the bill represents the largest single expansion of Medicaid since its inception. Combined with subsidies for middle income families, the bill’s provisions will ensure that working class Americans will no longer go without basic health care coverage.
  3. Insurance Companies Will Never Be Able to Drop or Deny You Coverage Because You Are Sick: Insurers can no longer deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition. They can’t rescind coverage or impose lifetime or annual limits on care. Significantly, the bill also ends insurer discrimination against women — who currently pay as much as 48% more for coverage than men — and gives them access preventive services with no cost sharing.
  4. Lowers Premiums For Families: The Senate bill could lower premiums for the overall population by 8.4%. For the subsidized population, premiums would decrease even more dramatically. According to the CBO, “the amount that subsidized enrollees would pay for non-group coverage would be roughly 56 percent to 59 percent lower, on average than the nongroup premiums charged under current law.”
  5. Invests in Keeping People Healthy: The bill creates a Prevention and Public Health Fund to expand and sustain funding for public prevention programs that prevent disease and promote wellness.
  6. Insurers Can’t Offer Subprime Health Care: Insurers operating in the individual and small group markets will no longer sell subprime policies that deny coverage when illness strikes and you need it most. Everyone will be offered an essential benefits package of comprehensive benefits.
  7. Helps Businesses Afford Coverage: Small employers can take advantage of large risk pools by purchasing coverage through the bill’s state-based exchanges. Employers with no more than 25 employees would receive a tax credit to help them provide coverage to their employees. The bill also establishes a temporary reinsurance program for employers providing coverage to retirees over the age of 55 who are not eligible for Medicare.
  8. Improves Medicare: The bill eliminates the waste and fraud in the Medicare system, gets rid of the special subsidy to private insurers participating in Medicare Advantage and extends the life of the Medicare trust fund by 9 years. It also closes the doughnut hole that affected 3.4 seniors enrolled in Medicare Part D in 2008.
  9. Reduces The Deficit: Not only would the bill expand coverage to 30 million Americans without adding to the nation debt, it would also reduce the deficit by up to $409 billion over 10 years.
  10. Reduces National Health Spending: A CAP-Commonwealth Fund analysis concludes the bill could reduce overall spending by close to $683 billion over 10 years – with the potential to save families $2,500. Even the most conservative government estimates conclude that the bill would reduce national health care expenditures by at least 0.3% by 2019.


From the EPI: Senate health bill scores big for small business:Bill would help provide affordable, stable coverage






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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:51 PM
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1. Oh please. nt
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:51 PM
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2. Blatant shilling. Nothing of value here. Fail.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:53 PM
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4. Podesta is a shill for the insurance companies.
"Lowers Premiums For Families:"

Really, who gives a shit?

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:58 PM
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13. Your blatant shilling of this dog of a bill really needs a break.
This bill will not lower any premiums. It will , however etch in stone the Industry's right to charge you more and more on their whim alone. Do you really think that they will behave??? They still have the "trap door" that is "annual caps on coverage" FAIL.


Kill the Bill.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:59 PM
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15. It's good to know that these posts are driving you insane. n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 07:00 PM by ProSense
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:01 PM
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18. Oh, I'm quite sane.
Keep on a shillin' !!!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:16 PM
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20. +1 n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:52 PM
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3. Saddam has WMDs
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:20 PM
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26. Exactly.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:55 PM
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5. Hey ProSense, where's that public option you promised me?
You posted a thousand times that it would be in the final bill because the prez promised it would.

What odds do you give it now?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:00 PM
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16. It won't make it back in...
But Pitts-Stupak likely will. But your fine with that, right Pro?:rofl:
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:29 PM
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22. Pro's paychecks ALWAYS arrive on time. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:19 PM
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25. She's quiet about that now, huh?
She'll be defending Obama regardless of what he does to the American people.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:20 PM
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27. Funny, isn't it? nt.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:55 PM
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6. I would probably vote for it were I in the senate
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 06:57 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
But I wouldn't be proud of it.

I think the blow to the party would be too great and we STILL have two frail liberal SC justices whose replacements will need to clear the senate.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:57 PM
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12. with a clear conscience?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:01 PM
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17. No. Not at all.
It would be an agonized vote.

If, however, I sensed the slightest practical possibility of a different path to a decent bill I would sink the senate bill in a minute.

I'm just being candid. I would be more conventional if I were actually casting a vote.

As a private citizen, however, fuck it.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:07 PM
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19. I could never support those mandates
I understand their purpose - but they just introduce so much pain into the families that cannot afford them. These insurers make enough profit - they do not need to prey off those who are just making it.

Screw this fiasco of a bill - start over. I do not care that much about O's legacy to sell out.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 PM
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33. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have voted for the house bill either. Lousy, punitive, insulting crap all the way around.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:56 PM
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7. This is Podesta, What a surprise.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:56 PM
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8. A lot of good there but I worry about the uninsured
Even with the so called subsidies, I worry that there will be denial for allowing people to get the subsidies and keeping the from being stripped by the GOP should they regain control in 2010.


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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:56 PM
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9. this is a joke - right?
"Low/Middle Income Americans Will Not Go Without Coverage" - sure - or else incur a fine

this is an absolute sell-out to insurers. I can hear the champagne corks popping right now.



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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:57 PM
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10. -->
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:57 PM
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11. Good things, all.
And if the bill is worthless and so bad it should be killed, why are the rethugs still fighting so hard against it? If their motive is simply to give a gigantic smack-down to the Dems and President Obama, that alone (to me) makes passing it a worthwhile endeavor.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:58 PM
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14. They should vote for it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:24 PM
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21. I don't believe that the points are provided are being presented in an intellectually honest way

For example everyone has admitted that they cost control mechanism in the plan is the public option and now that is out there will be no real competition and no reason to control costs.

Your point number three is linked to a summary that links to a CBO report on the estimate of the old Senate bill that included the Public Option and dated December 7th.

There has been no public release of the latest Senate proposal and no reason to believe that there will be any effective cost containment at all.

It appears that the person who is making these points is basing it on the old Senate plan with the Public Option. Most of the cost containment benefits, and the justification for the whole bill, have now been eliminated.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:55 PM
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23. Amazes me how these things that we all agreed were so wonderful a week ago...
.... are now being dismissed so easily.

Cute.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:04 PM
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24. Kill this bill
There is nothing for the American public to gain from this sad bill..
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:21 PM
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28. You should be a propagandist. I hope you are being paid well.
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 09:24 PM by David Zephyr
But you are working the wrong crowd, Obama has lost his halo.

He sold old and poor people out by killing the right for Americans to get their meds from Canada, something he railed about as a candidate.

Obama is a liar.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:54 PM
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31. "But you are working the wrong crowd, Obama has lost his halo...Obama is a liar."
Some people are idiots.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:58 PM
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32. Look who's yakin' ..you're king of the propagandists on DU, david zephyr.
You don't have a gawd damn clue.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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36. lol well in that case it would be a professional opinion lol
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:16 PM
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35. Care to respond to
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 10:16 PM by ProSense
this?

I would love to hear your thoughts.

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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:53 PM
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29. #3's inaccurate.
The bill allows rescissions in cases of fraud and willful misrepresentation, so that they're free to continue the chicanery of going over policyholder statements with a finetooth comb for some inaccuracy.

#7, meh. Helping fucking business. I reckon that's what an old Clintonista takes for "progressivism."
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:20 PM
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37. "They're" in "they're free to continue..." refers to insurance companies.
.
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:53 PM
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30. I'm for it. n/t
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:09 PM
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34. You forgot one big thing to add to this list
Many things can be fixed in conference.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:19 AM
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39. Except the Senate can filibuster a Conference Report, too.
So... will a Conference Committee dare to add anything to the Conference Report that isn't in the Senate bill?

If they dare.. then why not just change the Senate bill now, and face the filibuster now?

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_conference_committee -scroll down near the bottom...

"Conference reports are privileged. And in the Senate, a motion to proceed to a conference report is not debatable, although Senators can generally filibuster the conference report itself.")
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:27 PM
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38. A dozen strong reasons for rejecting this watered down bill...

1. No Single Payer....The best method of taking profit out of basic healthcare

2. No public option....kills every ounce of competition for the for profit health insurers

3. No expanded Medicare coverage....self explanatory

4. No drug re-importation....now why force Americans to pay 2 or 3 times our Canadian neighbors?

5. No cost controls....so they can't cancel you but they can triple your premiums!

6. No renegotiation of drug prices...sure the Big Pharma needs their Billions in profit

7. Capped annual coverage for care....is this the death panel precursor?

8. Individual mandated coverage....yap, force us into the jaws of insurance companies or we pay
annual fines or if can't pay then go to jail!

9. Anti-trust exemption for insurance companies....why why why???

10. A tax on middle class insurance plans....in the middle of a recession? wtf are they thinking??

11. Taxes that start in January, but benefits won't start until 2014....like paying monthly
payments for a car now, but delivery will be 4 years later! I bet no one will go for that deal!

12. Limits on mammograms, PSA's, tonsillectomies, etc mandated by the bureaucrats....great until you are the one facing the disease.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:16 AM
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40. Sigh... why do I even bother clicking on these posts?
What a colossal waste of bits. :eyes:
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