If they cut Head Start & Pell Grants I am out.

[sellitman]

I will have 3 kids in College next year and without Pell Grants they are screwed. Cuts to the Middle Class is not the change I voted for.

If Obama capitulates to the Regressives then he will have lost my vote.

Enough is enough.

[Buzz Clik]

1. What will be your reaction to the Congress that sent him the bill?

[high density]

2. Obama is the one with the veto pen. NM

[sellitman]

3. I've been writing almost daily

Trouble is I cannot donate to Obama's re-election like the Corporations can.

If he signs these cuts that alone will be proof.

[Exilednight]

15. Obama gets the final vote with either signing the bill or vetoing it. n/t

[charmay]

4. I hear you but...

the hard lesson learned in Wisconsin is that the alternative is always going to be worse.

[sellitman]

5. The only difference is the Supreme Court.

It's the only possible way I vote for him if these cuts go down.

How freaking sad.

[forty6]

59. There's more to a President than the US Supreme Court nominees.

But if that's the ONLY reason you can think of, so be it!

Not voting in 2012 is an endorsement of the tea-baggers.

[shanti]

65. it's a pretty damn important reason

as far as i'm concerned!

[forty6]

66. Agreed ........

But compared to any other candidate other than Hillary Clinton, I don't see anyone who could have done as as well or better. Nor do I see such an American on the horizon other than one of those two. And, yes, I think Hillary Clinton will NOT challenge Obama in 2012, but I might welcome that, even tho I supported Obama from day one of his campaign. No, I'm not asking for another Dem to run in his place in 2012, despite all the disappointments he and his opponents have yielded to us all.

There was a price to pay for electing our first multi-racial President, we inflamed the racists, brought them out from the woodwork, allowed them to control the hateful self-serving selfish discourse of the last two years. We exposed America's "Achilles heel", by electing this wonderful wise man, we should have known this would happen, we should have girded ourselves for this, we should have known the selfish and the rich and the racially inflamed would try to steal the stage.

I'm not happy with all the decisions of my wonderful President, I think he left himself open to critique from both left and right. But I wonder what the alternative would have left us by now, or could leave us in 2016.

[Jakes Progress]

101. Ah. The old Leiber and Stoller standby: Is That All There Is?

New tag though. If that's all there is, my friends, than let's keep drifting right.

[flpoljunkie]

6. The Hill: White House identifies funding for programs it had protected in the budge deal

White House lists cuts made in budget deal
By Jamie Klatell
04/09/11 09:36 PM ET

The White House then identified funding for programs it had "protected" in the budget deal:

-current levels of Head Start enrollment, funding Race to the Top
-maintain the Pell Grant maximum award
-robust investment to efficiently and effectively run Medicare and to implement the Affordable Care Act
-strong investments in National Institute of Standards and Technology, National Science Foundation and the Office of Science

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/155069-white-house-details-cuts-made-in-budget-deal

[young but wise]

8. Thanks for this.

I've been hearing so many mixed messages.

[Jakes Progress]

13. Keep reading.

Don't get fooled by press release language.

[wysingm]

22. Blame Sen. Bernie Sanders

Eleventh-Hour Deal Averts Shutdown

April 9, 2011

A last-minute deal was reached near midnight on Friday for $38.5 billion in spending cuts. Another stopgap spending measure will keep the government running until next week when Congress is to vote on the budget agreement. Had a shutdown occurred, Sen. Bernie Sanders pledged to donate his salary to charities in Vermont. The agreement to keep the government running will make steep cuts in a budget category that funds programs for working families, such as Head Start for children and Pell grants for college students. Throughout weeks of debate, Sanders called for shared sacrifice. He proposed a surtax on millionaires and billionaires. He also wanted to close corporate tax loopholes.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=4A8B0BB9-892E-41DF-BDF7-58C04CEED540">Link

[johnaries]

36. "budget category". He never says that it cuts Head Start or Pell Grants.

As much as I normally love Bernie, this is very misleading. His language says it makes cuts in the same "category", but not that it makes cuts to these exact programs. Which it doesn't.

[Jakes Progress]

102. It's in the language.

Individual grants were kept at old levels, but there are fewer of them available.

Obama seems to have fought for the Pell Grants not to be eliminated, but they did take a hit. So it is correct that Pell Grant overall funding was cut.

[Jakes Progress]

9. Notice the odd language.

"maintain the Pell Grant maximum award"

Translation from legilativese: Cut the funding. It the maximum award to any one student is a dollar but you only give it to five students instead of ten before you run out of money, you have maintained the "maximum award" but you have cut 50% of the people who receive it. Anytime the language is odd sounding, it is because they are hiding something.

""robust investment to efficiently and effectively run Medicare and to implement the Affordable Care Act": efficient and effective are wiggle words. Could have said "fully fund Medicare but didn't. What are they investing in robustly? New ways to cut expenses, not new ways to serve. And the "Affordable Care Act" says it all. The "affordable" part is based on cutting costs and services to make it more affordable to the government, not to people.

Race to the TOP is NCLB on steroids. It promotes more rote teaching, more money for corporations, and a bigger slice of the pie for standardized testing. Oh. And eliminating a union or two.

[Gormy Cuss]

11. +1

[BklnDem75]

14. Your translation sucks

Fact free speculation pulled straight from the nether regions.

[Exilednight]

16. If you're claiming that it's the wrong interpretation, then prove them

wrong by posting the facts. If you can't, then your argument is a complete and utter failure.

[fugop]

18. Is this like proving a negative?

Shouldn't it be more important to prove what's right, rather than saying something and daring people to prove it's wrong? I'd rather someone state something they can prove, rather than posting something and saying, "Prove it's wrong!"

That right there is what keeps the rumor mill going.

[Exilednight]

20. No. If he didn't cut Pell grants, then funding levels should be exactly the same as they were from

the previous fiscal year, but they're not. There will be less total money for Pell Grants.

[EndElectoral]

21. Exactly!

[johnaries]

35. Old news that was explained previously. In Obama's ORIGINAL

budget propoal he used his scapel and discovered areas of the Pell Grant that simply weren't working - such as grants for summer classes. By cutting those parts that didn't work he was able to cut the total funding and yet maintain the maximum awards for those who needed it and in ways where it actually does some good.

[Exilednight]

41. Less money is less money. You can polish a turd all you want, it's still a turd. n/t

[BklnDem75]

44. You don't know what the budget is...

so isn't this just an imaginary turd you're griping about?

[Exilednight]

46. The budget is done. The current stop gap measure is only so they can

vote on it and get it signed. Next Saturday it's a done deal.

[BklnDem75]

48. You still can't determine if there were any cuts to Pell at all

[Exilednight]

49. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS! n/t

Seriously, do you know how to use the internet? Google? You have a wealth of information at your fingertips, all you have to do is type.

If you can't find the numbers, then just admit that you can't find the numbers.

I found the numbers for Pell Grants in one google search. It wasn't that hard. Let's see if you can do it.

[BklnDem75]

52. I gave you the numbers

It doesn't say what you think it does.

[Exilednight]

55. You never gave me the numbers for FY2011. You gave the numbers for FY2009 and FY2010. n/t

[BklnDem75]

56. Are you feeling ok?

You do know you're telling me to look up numbers that aren't there, right? Do you have a link to that future news site?

[Exilednight]

57. Here's a hint. I found the numbers on two .gov sites. n/t

[BklnDem75]

58. Well you certainly narrowed it down...

:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[Exilednight]

25. Compare the amount of money from FY2010 to FY2011 and see if

the numbers are equal, thus preserving all of Pell Grants money, or if FY2011 gets less money.

It's that simple.

If you're going to claim that someone is wrong, then prove them wrong. Do the homework, it's not that hard and google is your friend.

[BklnDem75]

26. So what's the amount for FY2011 to FY2012?

You don't know? Maybe because the budget didn't pass yet? Maybe you should deal with facts before making claims. Perhaps you should use google, too, before pulling out your crystal ball.

[Exilednight]

27. The only 2012 budget floating around in the public domain is Paul Ryan's. We just got the 2011

budget done.

[BklnDem75]

31. Oh so you mean I'm right?

Crap speculation based on nothing but the poster's own negativity.

[Exilednight]

32. No, Pell Grant spending was cut in the FY2011 budget that just passed. n/t

[BklnDem75]

34. As the article states:

The White House then identified funding for programs it had "protected" in the budget deal:

# current levels of Head Start enrollment, funding Race to the Top
# maintain the Pell Grant maximum award

Can you point to the part of the Senate passed budget that cuts Pell Grant spending?

[Exilednight]

38. Let's try this one more time. Look at the ACTUAL budget numbers. It's not that hard. n/t

[BklnDem75]

40. Can you be more vague?

2008-09: $16,256,000,000 - Annual award $4,731

2009-10: $25,329,000,000 - Annual award $5,350

2010-11: $32,905,000,000 - Annual award $5,550

2011-12: TBD


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pell_Grant


If you have numbers, provide them.

[Exilednight]

42. It appears that wiki has to be updated. 2011-2012 is FY2011, or the bill that was just

agreed upon.

[BklnDem75]

43. The bill wasn't signed yet

It only has the House bill that will never pass. We won't get this fiscal year's tally until after August.

[Exilednight]

45. The current bill is only good for a week. It's a stop gap, then you will see

all the glaring "compromises" that Obama made.

[BklnDem75]

47. More crystal balls?

[Exilednight]

50. Nope, I watch the news and read the newspaper. n/t

[BklnDem75]

51. Really? I need numbers for the next Mega

My sources only give me current news.

[Exilednight]

53. So does mine. The difference is, I pay attention. n/t

[BklnDem75]

54. LOL, like Social Security, right?

I pay attention too. It's quite hilarious.

[vaberella]

61. Self-delete. n/t

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[BklnDem75]

99. LOL!!!

Broken crystal balls not selling?

[Name removed]

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[BklnDem75]

72. What does any of that have to do with your claims?

If you're not going to take the time to back up your own false claims, I don't see why I should spend a minute answering your questions.

[Jakes Progress]

73. You seem to have forgotten what you started ranting about.

Those are exactly the things I said that you labeled as "sucks".

I don't blame you for ducking. If I had to try and defend this abomination, I would try to avoid it too.

But it stands that you said my "translations" sucked. How so? Answer any of the above questions to avoid being an irrelevant, buzzing gnat on the feast of discussion on DU.

[BklnDem75]

74. This is what you said

Translation from legilativese: Cut the funding. It the maximum award to any one student is a dollar but you only give it to five students instead of ten before you run out of money, you have maintained the "maximum award" but you have cut 50% of the people who receive it. Anytime the language is odd sounding, it is because they are hiding something.

Back it up


""robust investment to efficiently and effectively run Medicare and to implement the Affordable Care Act": efficient and effective are wiggle words. Could have said "fully fund Medicare but didn't. What are they investing in robustly? New ways to cut expenses, not new ways to serve. And the "Affordable Care Act" says it all. The "affordable" part is based on cutting costs and services to make it more affordable to the government, not to people.

Back it up


Those are your two translations. You claimed they were cuts. And yes, they both suck.

[Jakes Progress]

75. This is what you said.

You said my translation sucks. Back it up.

I say that the statement you quoted
does not say that Pell Grant funding will be funded at the same level after the budget cuts the president is proposing. Let's hear you go on record. Are you claiming that the overall funding for the Pell Grant program will be at the same level as before? Can you actually take a position or do you just go around yelling "suck" and alerting your way out of a hole?

Then I asked you to show some statements that prove that the Affordable Health care act was going to make health care affordable to all. Find me any language that says that. You can't because the whole program is based on cutting costs - not expanding care. So you can't find that language, can you?

My position is that they are both statements about cuts. The president today went on air and said he was going to find cuts for funding from healthcare. Are you calling him a liar? I agree with you that the president's position on these two issues sucks.

I do admire your aggressive defense of the indefensible positions. Gotta be a tough road you plow.

[BklnDem75]

77. LOL

Yeah, Obama's statement was totally backing up what you said. :crazy:

[Jakes Progress]

81. So we agree that you can't support your statement.

Let me explain how one argues when one has facts on his/her side. You give examples of statements and articles that support you view. Of course if that view is wholly created from you own ass leavings, then you would be at a disadvantage and you would have to fall back on ignoring questions put to you and reply with inane smilies and web speech. Which of course you did, so we know just where you stand.

For instance you might support your flimsy point by trying to do what I do here: This is a story about the cuts in Pell Grand Funding.

http://schoolgrantssources.com/pell-grants/proposed-budget-cuts-on-the-pell-grant-program/

See. You can wiggle with this story and say how Obama isn't as bad as the bad old republicans. You can say he did his poor best to try to salvage something since he is, as his supporters say so often, powerless agains the mean old republicans. But you can't say, with any claim to truth, or even honesty, that the program wasn't cut. To do that after seeing the proof would make you silly or a liar.

That is one example. I googled and tossed up the first I found. Have someone show you how to do web research. Having the facts would make your posts more pertinent, but of course facts would greatly undermine your efforts to defend the indefensible, so I can see why you wouldn't waste your time actually learning something about the things you post.

So let's try this. Are you still claiming that the Pell Grant program would be funded fully?

Do you support the" Race to the Top" program since that is where all of the money that Obama pledges for education will go?

Are you claiming that health care costs will be made available and affordable for all Americans?

Before you answer, you need to know that, just like the Pell Grant story, I can produce plenty of evidence for my side on each of the questions. I just want to you say something about what you believe on the issues rather than about me or other posters.

[BklnDem75]

82. The link you posted is flimsy at best

I clicked the links and it uses itself as a source. Obama's cutting Pell for Summer classes, but even you can't say for sure that it will decrease the amount spent for Pell. The maximum is still $5500, so your stance is not about the amount received, but the total everyone applies for in the year. It's not an argument you can make until you see the numbers in another 4 months. I'm off to lunch so my response is a bit rushed.

[Jakes Progress]

85. So, still unclear on numbers?

You need more links? Can't you just admit that you screwed up, that your advocacy position got the better of you?

The total amount for Pell Grants has been cut. The administration brags about it. They say cutting the funds saved it. You could say that. You might have a leg to stand on, but no, you had to say it wasn't cut. But then you didn't say that. You didn't take any position except to say my position sucked. Get a little gumption. Take a stand for something instead of against anything that you think is anti-Obama. A moral center is a good thing to have.

[BklnDem75]

83. Back from lunch

As I was saying, your posts are speculation and your links are more speculation. You can't make a strong argument about cuts because you neither know what the cuts are going to be nor can you determine what was cut without the final numbers. Even with the removal of Pell in the summer, you can't determine if total funding will be more or less than the last fiscal year. In the end, individuals are still getting a maximum of $5,500 no matter how you try to spin it. As long as students are qualified, they will still get the same amount as the last fiscal year.

As far as health care goes, you're simply reading into two words 'simply and efficiently' and giving your opinion of what YOU deem simple and efficient. You don't know what the investments are, so you're speculating that cuts will be made in certain areas with absolutely nothing to support your claim. It would be even simpler if you just said you don't believe this Administration instead of trying to spin.

The fact is I never made any claims because I simply don't know what this budget has in store for us. The fact that it hasn't been passed yet may have a whole lot to do with it. YOU'RE the one making the translations, not me. Truth is it's not hard work at all. When people make up stuff, all I have to do is point it out. Honestly, I can do this all day. Thanks for you concern, though. :hi:

[Jakes Progress]

87. Spend next lunch learning to use the internet.

If you googled "Pell Grant Cuts" you would have more than enough cites to teach you. The one I gave is not political, but represents a group that has to deal with the cuts the president is offering. Sorry if you have to read all that stuff, but that is how you learn things.

I'm glad that you finally admit that you don't know anything about what you are posting. That took guts.

But of course, that means that you have no leg to stand on when it come to saying that my position is wrong. You just sort of have a gut feeling, a kind of groovy little vibe about the president. You don't know what is right and what is wrong. Well. I do know. I read. I follow the news. I have had experience with legislation and legislation writing. I don't have the rosy filter you do that make it almost impossible for you to see the truth or recognize when you are being conned. I know you don't find posting to be hard work; you don't find it to be any work at all. Just vomit out your whims and the duck out when called to prove what you say.

I know you can do this all day. What effort does it take to spew?

[BklnDem75]

90. Huh? You said something?

I'm sorry, I was busy reading about how wrong you were.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x650799

I don't expect you'd man up.

[Jakes Progress]

92. You really need to get help with using your computer.

There are other sites besides DU. Referencing a DU story is sort of like self-gratification. It might make you feel good, but it doesn't get you out into the world.

The link you provided refers to an AP story that was blanketed over a dozen easily located sites. Do you know how AP works on this stuff. They print the PR sheets from whoever sends them in. They print bland so that the material can be purchased by as many papers as possible. Newspapers print the stuff when they haven't the personnel or the time or the interest to actually research the story. This story was printed verbatim (straight from the PR copy) by several papers. As I have told you and told you, the story repeats the same old WH press release information about maintaining the maximum amount per student. It avoids discussion of the level of funding. That is because the budget levels have been cut. First they cut out the third semester grants. Then they cut levels saying that they had a new and improved way of allocating the money that would make it cheaper to do so that money should eventually be available for as many students as before. You would know this if you read anything but DU.

Try this story. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/apr/12/PT2NEWSO2-spending-cuts-in-deal-finally-delineated/

Notice this paragraph:

The bill includes savings of nearly $500 million on the Pell grant program, which aids low-income college students. Those savings are reflected in an administration plan already under way to limit grants to the academic year to preserve the maximum grant amount of $5,550.

So we see how wrong you were. I don't expect you to man up.

[BklnDem75]

93. Aww. That's ok. I knew you couldn't.

[Name removed]

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[Jakes Progress]

100. That's okay. I knew you would duck it.

I don't blame you. I show you proof that that you were 100% wrong. So what else could you do?

Sorry I hurt your feelings. You need to address the issues instead of just snarking.

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. Thank You. All it takes is one blogger to poison the well, and it becomes truth.

Jane Hamsher's rag couldn't wait to start telling lies. Thanks again.....

[vaberella]

63. Many on DU are quick to believe her shit though. n/t

[Jakes Progress]

76. Only because she tells the truth.

I guess that is shit to you.

[mkultra]

78. she lies like a rug

[ZombieHorde]

68. Sigh of relief. I really hope President Obama holds firm these principles. nt

[democracy1st]

7. Obama's right there with the GOP cutting benefits for the poor and middle class,spending

more money for wars,and giving tax breaks to the rich. LMAO yep he's got our backs alright,he's got our back up against the wall!

[ProSense]

10. Yup, just

like Bush!

"first major federal antipoverty effort in decades"

Federal Strategic Plan to End Homelessness

HUD MAKES AVAILABLE $61 MILLION TO SIX APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REVITALIZE NEIGHBORHOODS

Govt announces plan to reduce health disparities

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

17. Head Start was not cut.

There may be some Pell cuts but I haven't seen any numbers on that.

[DCBob]

19. and that helps your situation how exactly??

[Exilednight]

29. How does supporting the party help his/her situation if they're cutting the

programs that they rely on?

[DCBob]

62. Because it could get worse.. much worse...

if the GOPers have their way entirely.

[FrenchieCat]

24. The Republicans are counting on you......

To do just that.....

They've even got their fingers crossed that you will help defeat yourselves,
which means that they won't have to.

[Exilednight]

30. If the Democratic President of the United States is not supporting

progressive/liberal legislation, then why should liberals and progressives support him?

I mean seriously, you have to come up with a better reason than "we're not as bad as the Republicans".

If Obama can't maintain simple programs like Pell Grants, then he will never get his FDR Social Security, or LBJ civil rights legislation.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Here's news for you; I don't "need" a better reason

than not wanting those that I am certain will work towards the destruction
of everything I hold dear to not gain access to all branches of the government.

I'd rather have treatable Cancer with hope for remission,
than terminal cancer, where the only thing that can happen
without question is that I am sent home to die, all the while
wishing I had treatable Cancer.

[Exilednight]

39. How about having treatable cancer and no one to treat it? n/t

[frazzled]

28. He increased Pell grants

Both in the stimulus and in his budget for this year:

President Barack Obama on Monday proposed a $3.8-trillion federal budget for the 2011 fiscal year that includes $77.8-billion in total Education Department spending, a 31-percent increase that is driven largely by a plan to increase the value of Pell Grants faster than inflation. ...As part of the plan, Mr. Obama, for the second year in a row, asked Congress to make the Pell Grant, the main federal aid program for low-income college students, an entitlement that receives an automatic budget allocation each year to meet the number of students who qualify.

He also proposed that the grant's maximum per-student value increase each year by the rate of inflation plus one percentage point, bringing it from $5,550 in 2010 to $5,710 in 2011 and an estimated $6,900 in 2019. The president also proposed more-favorable repayment options for students taking federally subsidized loans.

http://chronicle.com/article/Big-Raise-for-Pell-Grants/63848/


In his proposed 2012 budget, he keeps the maximum Pell grant the same but eliminates the "summer" grant that allows students to go year-round -- in order to save cuts to the program that would affect regular students.

No one has done more to try to increase Pell Grants. If the program gets cut, blame everyone, but don't single him out at all.

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[Jakes Progress]

96. That link was in early February. A later one disagrees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/apr/12/PT2NEWSO2-spending-cuts-in-deal-finally-delineated/

The devil is in the language. "maintaining maxium grant" and "increase the value faster than inflation" are nice. But the fact is that there will be less money overall for Pell Grants. The cuts were part of Obama's effort to save the Pell from republican predations, but people need to argue that, not that the Pell wasn't funded for less than last year. The deal, like so many we are getting" is a good news/bad news situation. Good news: grants will be for the same amount as before. Bad news: there will be fewer grants.

[johnaries]

37. Your fears were ungrounded. Neither were cut.

And instead of blaming those who are trying to help, why not place the blame where it belongs?

[forty6]

60. Well stated! n/t

[ZombieHorde]

67. I am in college, and my son will be going to Head Start, if it still exists.

Cuts to these programs will hurt the Zombie household.

[Exilednight]

70. It looks as if Head Start will stay funded at current levels. So will race to the bottom and plenty

of money is available for step 1 of privatizing education, aka charter schools.

[AtomicKitten]

69. kbye

[mkultra]

79. dont let the door hit ya

Just get out of the way of those of us who still care.

[treestar]

80. NO blame for the Republicans?

NONE for the Republican congress?

[sudopod]

104. These days, you may as well complain about snakes for being venomous.

Republicans are predictable as hell; they will do the worst possible thing and call it Liberty and Freedom!!!1111one No one here is under any illusions about the Republicans or what they stand for.

The President, however, knows better.

[vaberella]

84. They're fully funded. But please don't stay on that account. You can still go. n/t

[Jakes Progress]

97. Nope. See posts 96.

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. You know it really would be nice if you had the courage to come back and...

at least acknowledge the people who have provided you with new information. I mean, did you want new information? Were your fears allayed? Did you get the answers you were looking for? What was the o.p. all about? :shrug:

[killbotfactory]

88. pre-emptive outrage syndrome

You can always be outraged about something that may or may not happen in the future.

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. Exactly. It's much harder to admit you may have been wrong.

This is the my biggest problem with the media, both left and right. The rush to get an inflammatory headline out before the competition often makes for sloppy reportage. :thumbsup:

[boppers]

91. Real-time outrage, too:

Some hypotheticals:

Q. Obama lifts wage cap on Social Security?
A. OBAMA IS INCREASING TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS!

Q. Obama cuts subsidies for heating oil companies?
A. OBAMA IS CUTTING AID TO THE POOR!

Q. Obama cuts funding for an obscure program that wasn't used?
A. OBAMA IS GUTTING THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET!

Q. Obama looks into cutting SS benefits for billionaires?
A. OBAMA IS MAKING OLD LADIES EAT CAT FOOD!

It gets a bit tiresome. And transparent.

edit: Typo

[Jakes Progress]

98. Courage to face new information: You got it?

Try this much more recent link than the ones that simply reproduce the wiggle language.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/apr/12/PT2NEWSO2-spending-cuts-in-deal-finally-delineated/

Good News: Each student grant will be maintained at current levels. Bad News: There won't be as many grants.

Your welcome.

On edit, more recent still: http://www.bsudailynews.com/mobile/pell-grant-funding-spared-of-massive-cuts-1.2542081

Your acknowledgment for my providing you with information is appreciated.

[sudopod]

103. Oh noes, why didn't anyone come back to comment on your post!

lol, works both ways, doesn't it? ;)