Obama attacks the rich? Ho hum.

[Meeker Morgan]

Next up. He gives them another cookie. :evilfrown:

[MercuryRepeater]

1. you needed a whole post just for this reply to another thread?

[FrenchieCat]

2. What about you? Ready to attack the rich?

Cause in the end, this ain't all about Obama....
It's about us, and whether shitting on Obama
will help us defeat the Paul Ryan Bill.

Are you ready to give up Medicare to spite this President?
Cause to a great extent, it's your choice.

[babylonsister]

7. Amen, Frenchie! nt

[Meeker Morgan]

11. Corporate bailouts are what busted the budget

Taxing the rich is great. I've always been for it. But it will never pay for the plunder Obama handed the rich when he took office.

Wanna bash Republicans instead?

Well yes it was Bush who got the ball rolling. And McCain appeared with Obama when they got on TV an urged bipartisan support for it in 2008.

[Kalun D]

12. DNC DLC Propaganda

""It's about us, and whether shitting on Obama""

Well Obama has been sh*tting on us for four years, so what do you expect?

People need to stop watching the propaganda television and these stupid lying propaganda speeches. It's all lies people.

What makes you think Obama is going to change just because he says so? He's been saying one thing and doing another for four years. I guess some people are NEVER going to wake up.

[JTFrog]

15. Again with this 4 years thing?

Where in the fuck is this time machine you guys are running around in?

I guess you got a copy of the talking points for after the speech. :eyes:

[Kalun D]

17. Correction

""It's about us, and whether shitting on Obama""

Well Obama has been sh*tting on us for over two years, so what do you expect?

People need to stop watching the propaganda television and these stupid lying propaganda speeches. It's all lies people.

What makes you think Obama is going to change just because he says so? He's been saying one thing and doing another for over two years. I guess some people are NEVER going to wake up.

[joentokyo]

43. I second that emotion!

[Avant Guardian]

41. Why 'attack' them? The rich arent the problem

What does 'attacking the rich' accomplish? The GOP are the problem.

[Arkana]

3. Ze goalposts, zey are moving.

[Cleita]

4. Another pretty speech, but I think I will wait

to see if he sits back and let's other people set the policies as he has in the past, usually policies no one wants and that will not be what he spoke about.

[FrenchieCat]

8. You will sit back and wait to see if the president sits back and waits?

That's sounds like no sweat off your brow! :rofl:

[Cleita]

14. It would be lovely if you made sense. n/t

[vaberella]

18. The point is this. You say you are waiting?! WHY?! Why don't you go out there and help?!

The point is this. People say they'll wait for the President. He needs help. Keep in mind Obama represents the nation and puts out his position. However, the Congressmen and women who make legislation micromanages the nation and they are the reps. It's not about calling your Rep if they're Dems, it's going out and calling the Repubs---so they hear that wait a minute. Maybe my constituents actually don't want what I thought they did. When teaparty idiots start getting people picketing they're office then they'll start realizing.

Say for instance in your state there are Repub dems. Organize people...preferably more than 10 or 15 and start making some noise. Send a facebook post, if you have facebook and state the message of the Pres and if you support those measures put out ways that the public can rally and get the congressmen to get it. Congressmen and women don't go by polls. They fluctuate but they might do something if heat is on their ass.

People are like holding Obama's ass to the fire. That's all well and good, but Obama doesn't make the long lasting policies that are law. No...he can do an executive order that goes out the window the next term---maybe. However, the congressmen and women can make the laws. And when heat is on their ass and they're getting questions and people are mobilizing then they start realizing well hell---

However people are doing that. It doesn't end at the ballot. Our position doesn't sit there. You don't say...."I'll sit and wait" to see what he'll do next. You should be like---I'm holding him to it and I'll do my bloody part so I can make sure he does it. Posting on DU's forum is not the active part needed.

I going to post vids on youtube and post on my facebook and my friends facebooks to get the word out. Use anyway.

I have a thread here pushing mobilization: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x653128


And if you are active or getting active...tell me your plans in my thread. I think a lot of us need to start getting together on this and making moves. I want the President to be successful and I think we have an obligation to help our government. It's not about just taking or expecting.

[Kalun D]

20. The Need To Go Further

all this calling the reps and such is useless.

During the 1st and 2nd votes on the $700 Billion crooked banker bailout, which BTW Obama totally promoted/supported, the public called their reps in new world record numbers. We lit up the phone lines like never before. About 75%-80% of the populace was against the bailouts.

They didn't listen.

Nothing short of nationwide worker's walk out strikes, like they do in France, is going to make a difference.

Starting with the truckers and Walmart and going to every other non-emergency worker.

[vaberella]

24. Exactly. How do we organize an event like that? n/t

[Kalun D]

26. the Interwebs?

how did they organize the war protests, Mar 2003?

It's more problematic here in America, the corporate TV holds a lot of control and people are sedated with the diet and fluoride in the water etc.

[Cleita]

21. You don't know anything about me.

I try to squeeze everything I can from SS to support progressive politicians. I volunteer my time for candidates I believe in. I vote, but I'm one person and I can't do it all. He's the President of the USA and I liked his speech but the milquetoast, lets all join hands and sing Kumbaya, while the Tea Party and other right wing fanatics engage in scorched earth tactics and policies, doesn't cut it for me or everyone else affected by it. I liked what he said, now I want him to dig in his heels and make those idiots get it done.

I was pissed off when John Kerry conceded the election too, this is after I canvassed for him, squeezing time I didn't have from being nurse and caregiver to my husband 24/7 to the point that I slipped and fell down a hill and hurt myself in Pismo Beach because I was so tired. Yet, I had to keep trucking and looking after my DH. Kerry just conceded, with no thought to the sacrifices ordinary people made to get him elected, and we found out later, like with Gore that he had won the election, yet we got Bush for another four years.

I'm a lot more demanding of my pols now.

[JoePhilly]

5. Predictions about what Obama would say today totally wrong ... Ho hum.

[thelordofhell]

9. +1,000

According to some DUer's secret Captain Crunch decoder wheel, President Obama is cutting SS and Medicare.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

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[thelordofhell]

22. Or they could raise the tax cap to 250,000

put your decoder ring away

[Kalun D]

25. That's the "talk" part of it.

the action part of it was the de-funding

[thelordofhell]

27. A payout that get re-compensated is not de-funding

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine

[Kalun D]

29. Re-Compensated

Re-compensated out of the general fund that is $Trillions in debt

that way they can later claim that it's not self funding

It's a strategy the repugs have been trying un-succesfully to do for years.

why is it suddenly ok for a (predatory corporatist) "Democratic" president to do it?

be sure to drink your "death to the middle class" koolaid that the faux Dems in the White House are serving you.

[thelordofhell]

35. Yup, the government is just going to default on it

Do not attempt to adjust the picture

:tinfoilhat: :crazy:

[Kalun D]

37. It Doesn't Matter

all it does is give them an excuse to cut

well also it adds to the debt and funnels money that would have gone direct to SS to now go to interest payments

[Kalun D]

30. Cutting SS

The recently enacted social security "tax cut" that Obama signed

is a well known strategy that the scumbag repugs have been trying un-successfully to enact for decades

first they take away social security's own self funding

then they fund it from the general fund which is $Trillions of dollars in debt

so later they can claim it's not self funding and enact cuts to the program

This was all discussed at length on DU when this crap was put into law, don't know where you people were at the time

[CakeGrrl]

6. This post? Ho hum.

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[Kalun D]

13. Yeah

a multi-billion dollar cookie

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[polichick]

23. I don't think he actually "attacked" them - he's one of them, as he pointed out.

[Solomon]

28. LOL If he's "one of them" that means he can't attack them?

I've seen you soften a tad bit, but just can't let it go, hunh?

Democrats don't seem to have a problem attacking each other. Of course the standard retort would be that "he's not a REAL democrat."

[Kalun D]

31. "he's not a REAL democrat."

DING DING DING DING

ABSOLUTELY, THE VERY HEART OF THE MATTER

(clue also) verbal attacks don't necessarily mean anything unless they are backed up with real action which has proven time and time again with Obama not to be the case.

[polichick]

34. Except I meant no such thing.

[Arkana]

36. What qualifies you to decide who's a "real Democrat"?

Are you King Shit of the Democrat Brigade?

[Kalun D]

38. If You're Going To Post

you should try to make at least part of your post something other than a personal attack

I know it's tough when you can't counter any of the factual points, it doesn't leave you much to do.

[Arkana]

39. You didn't make any factual points for me to counter.

You went "HERP DERP HE AIN'T A REAL DEMMYCRAT".

[polichick]

33. What a weird reading of what I said. He wasn't "attacking" them...

...but saying they need to pay their fair share. And, as he said, he's one of the guys who would get a big tax break.

Take something for that paranoia.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. "he's not a REAL democrat."

Yep, he's not.

[zigzag69]

32. The rich are part of his constituency

You want him to attack some of the people he is working for?

[TheKentuckian]

40. Yes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

He cannot serve the mass majority by playing paddy cake with an oppressive and greedy minority.

[zigzag69]

42. Well except the majority and the minority doesn't rule..

in a Republic. A politician has to look after the needs of the minority, i.e. black i.e. rich. Same as the majority.

[TheKentuckian]

44. Not when one groups "needs" are in direct conflict with the others needs.

At that stage there is a choice to make or at least a balancing act.

The needs of the many are ignored or even made deeper by catering to the few hand and foot under the gravity of the influence of the almighty dollar.

Hiding behind the form of government to somehow make it okay that the many suffer and are depleted financially is weak and silly.

Their right to control of all resources is not an absolute while our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness along with our right to earn a living is up for debate as not to disrupt the resource funnel for the benefit of the few.

We are not pawns in a chess game or fodder for anyone's cannons. We are citizens not slaves.

Your excuse/premise is pathetic and oblivious.