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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:46 PM Original message |
Reconciliation resolution tactics with the Byrd Rule mean that IT IS A TRAP |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Reconcile with single player heath care plan |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So Single PAYER (not Player) would not increase the deficit? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm not sure, but if Medicare was expanded to include say |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Right, senate chair can say it's not a serious outlay and move on. They're not getting out of ... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I would love Single Payer, but saying it wouldn't increase the deficit is foolish |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. If we had the rich pay for it the deficit would be fine,... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Please explain why? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. My guess is that the OMB would have to tally the legislation |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. If people BUY into it then decificits wouldn't be an issue. It'd be REAL hard for someone to muster |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Senate chair would say not it's not an move on, also they can do cost control via reconcilation and |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. The 60 votes to overturn an objection to reconciliation brings us back to where we are now |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Unnn, I'm not getting the 60 votes thing...I'm just sayin we can still have the best of both worlds. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You can pass legislation with a reconciliation resolution with 51 votes, but... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. That's not what it says |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I was aware the objecting Senator and the presiding Senator are different people |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I will just add that the burden of proof falls on the objecting Senator to show ... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Would the presiding officer go against the finding of the parliamentarian? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The parliamentarian is a process adviser |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. It has always been precedent to defer to the Parliamentarian's ruling. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. The OMB report should shed some light on how it could be painted as "extraneous" |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. You missed the word "not". |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes Dr. Dean, tell us how we get around the Byrd Amendment? |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Use it to pass just the public option/buy in |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Right, I don't know why this hasnt been done yet it's one of the reason progressives are frustrated |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. Here's how to do it (Medicare for everyone) |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:07 AM Response to Original message |
21. Even as a militant anti-geek, I'm amazed that no-one included this gentleman yet - |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The senate chair (chosen by the senate majority leader) would overrule the objecting senator and.... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. READ HARDER PLEASE |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. Pass the bill, THEN try the reconciliation on Medicare expansion and/or public option n/t |
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