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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:27 AM
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Obama Makes It Plain At Facebook Townhall
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/029046.php


OBAMA MAKES IT PLAIN AT FACEBOOK TOWNHALL.... President Obama, for whatever reason, hasn't done a lot of town-hall events in recent months, and that was probably a mistake. He's done two this week, and it's offered us a reminder that when the president steps away from a podium and has conversations with people, Obama's actually pretty good at this stuff.

In fact, free from a formal script, the president also seems more inclined to speak his mind in a less-guarded way.

President Obama on Wednesday opened a Western front in his war against House Republicans' budget, telling an appreciative audience at Facebook headquarters here that the plan is radical, short-sighted and would reduce annual federal deficits at the expense of the nation's poor and powerless.

In a town-hall-style forum with the 26-year-old Facebook chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, Mr. Obama seized on a question about the House-passed budget to mount a long, withering indictment. The questioner, an employee of the social networking company, noted that some news media accounts suggested that the sponsor of the Republican budget, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, is "bold and brave" for proposing the deep spending cuts.

"The Republican budget that was put forward I would say is fairly radical," Mr. Obama said. "And I wouldn't call it particularly courageous." He added: "I do think Mr. Ryan is sincere. I think he's a patriot. I think he wants to solve a real problem, which is our long-term deficit. But I think that what he and the other Republicans in the House of Representatives also want to do is change our social compact in a pretty fundamental way."

"Nothing is easier," Mr. Obama said, "than solving a problem on the backs of people who are poor, or people who are powerless and don't have lobbyists or don't have clout."


In case you're curious -- I know I was -- the president had not previously used the word "radical" when describing the Republican House budget plan. He'd been deeply critical, both in last week's speech and at the town-hall event in Virginia, but Obama was even more candid yesterday.

I mention this, not only because I like and agree with the accurate rhetoric, but also because it suggests the president has been unfazed by Republican and media criticism. For much of the last week, the message has been that Obama has been "too mean" in response to the GOP agenda, and should be more conciliatory to avoid hurting Republicans' feelings.

If yesterday was any indication, the president isn't especially concerned with conservative sensibilities.
Indeed, referring specifically to the Ryan agenda, Obama added, "{W}hat his budget proposal does is not only hold income tax flat, he actually wants to further reduce taxes for the wealthy, further reduce taxes for corporations, not pay for those, and in order to make his numbers work, cut 70 percent out of our clean energy budget, cut 25 percent out of our education budget, cut transportation budgets by a third. I guess you could call that bold. I would call it shortsighted. "

If you missed yesterday's event, the transcript is well worth reading. Pay particular attention to Obama's talk about how the debt issue became a problem, his vision on immigration and energy, his reemphasis on protecting Medicare from far-right privatization efforts, and his calls for Clinton-era tax rates for the wealthy.

I don't know how much of the public sees events like these, and what kind of reach the message has, but the more the president participates in these discussions, the better.

—Steve Benen
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:36 AM
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1. He's starting to sound like Senator Obama. nt
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:42 AM
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2. If the M$M keeps calling him "mean", 2012 is going to be a landslide.
The authoritarians on the right luvs 'em some MEAN.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:24 AM
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3. Hasn't done a lot of townhalls....
Maybe because he has one of those demanding jobs that eat up a lot of your free time.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:20 PM
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12. He can do them, he just doesn't want to hear the criticism from the LOUD LEFT. n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:01 PM
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14. Ah, bullshit.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:03 AM
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4. Transcript here:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:35 AM
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5. I will actually agree with you on this -- with one exception
We need more straight shooting about how we got into this, and Obama did a great job.

However, in addition he and other Democratic politicians need to also acknowledge the elephant that everyone knows is in the room -- which is that the other reason we are in this mess is the increased concentration of wealth and power that has occurred in the nation over the last 30 years. That really is the key to it all.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:47 AM
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6. He lost me when he repeated the canard that Clinton had a budget surplus.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:01 AM
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7. "Senator / Candidate" Obama >>>>>> President Obama
That much has never, ever been in doubt.

What I want is not to have Candidate Obama running around the country for the next 17 months making promises and proposals that President Obama would promptly ignore, break or "negotiate" away. I don't want to hear it all again, I want to SEE it enacted into law for the first time.

1) CLOSE GITMO
2) END Iraq / Afghanistan / Libya
3) Return tax codes to pre-Obama/Bush tax cuts
4) Enact UNIVERSAL MEDICARE to control the costs
5) Enforce US Tax codes on multinational corporations
6) Remove Citizen's United cancer from our elections
7) Gut the Patriot Act
8) Kill the Department of Homeland Security

At one time or another Obama has promised all of the above as a candidate and reversed his decisions as president.

Candidate Obama kicks some serious rhetorical ass....President Obama kisses too much Republican ass.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:25 AM
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8. He promised to overturn Citizen's United?? Neat trick given that
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 11:25 AM by JoePhilly
the Supreme Court made that decision AFTER he became President, making it IMPOSSIBLE that he made any such promise as a CANDIDATE. Unless you think he can predict the future.

And, he also did not campaign on ending Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya.

On Iraq, he said he'd draw us down to abut 50k troops by last summer (~19 months into his first term).

On Afghanistan, he ran on INCREASING troop levels there.

On Libya ... again you seem to think Obama can predict the future, given there is no way a CANDIDATE OBAMA could have promised to get out of Libya since we were not involved in Libya when he was a candidate.

5 is also wrong. The existing tax codes are enforced.

Can't recall him claiming to "kill the department of homeland security". I checked politifact on that one, and they would disagree with you.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/homeland-security/

Did you get this list from a Tea Bagger?
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:28 AM
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9. some people care nothing about actual facts. they just like stuff that sounds good.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:31 AM
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10. It cracks me up.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:59 PM
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11. Some very Hoover-esque remarks made by the
Man in Charge:

But we're seeing, domestically, a whole series of challenges, starting with the worst recession we've had since the Great Depression. We're just now coming out of it. We've got all sorts of disruptions, technological disruptions that are taking place, most of which hold the promise of making our lives a lot better, but also mean that there are a lot of adjustments that people are having to make throughout the economy.

We still have a very high unemployment rate that is starting to come down, but there are an awful lot of people who are being challenged out there, day in, day out, worrying about whether they can pay the bills, whether they can keep their home.


How great it would have been if this guy announced that he was scrapping the Administration's committment to give GE and other nuclear power corporations some 33 to 38 billions of dollars in loans, and instead loaning the money to the states who have record high deficits.

But Naw - his managers and campaign contributers have far more sway overe Mr Obama than people in this country who are being foreclosed and whose unemployment is running out.

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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:51 PM
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13. Reference to the "social compact"
I love that!
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