NJmaverick
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:26 AM
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Do you elect a President to be a leader or a puppet? |
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there seems to be two schools of thoughts on this. Some think that one elects a president to do what the public tells them, others seem to think that a President is elected to lead. Further on the do the bidding side the question is who's bidding? Does the President do the bidding of their base or special interest groups or does the President do the bidding of the entire nation. On may also have a hybrid position where one should lead but conisder input either from their base or the public as a whole. What are people's thoughts?
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:43 AM
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1. A LEADER. Not a puppet to the insurance industry, banksters and military industrial complex. |
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:48 AM
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3. or to any interest group? |
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:51 AM
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4. A LEADER who doesn't LIE to the people who voted for him. Who WORKS to pass legislation to help |
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them.
A LEADER of the people, by the people, FOR the people.
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:53 AM
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6. So does a president worry only about the people who voted for him |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:06 AM
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7. all the people like the corporations? |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:21 AM
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9. You didn't answer the question |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:25 AM
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11. You didn't clarify your question making it impossible for me to answer. |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:37 AM
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13. You clarification request appears to be a position statement |
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rather than an honest request for clarification.
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:53 AM
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18. No, just a request for clarification. |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:13 AM
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22. People running, owning and working for corporations are voters |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:14 AM
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8. Of course not. But Obama was elected with a mandate for change from business as usual. |
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He promised people he's fix the economy, bring jobs, make health care accessible and affordable, reform Wall Street. Yet, he gets in office and BLATANTLY does the bidding of the corporations and powers that be.
The way Obama has handled health care is an abomination. Is he really this WEAK? Or just a lying shill? Or both? This did not have to be this way. A historic opportunity has been squandered. And people will go bankrupt, DIE as a result. And now he's THREATENING us that the country will go BANKRUPT if Congress doesn't pass his bullshit windfall for the insurance companies! :puke:
He has shown NO leadership - turning this over to Max fucking Baucus. Praising Chuck Grassley, Joe LIEberman. Demonizing progressives.
He has not kept his promises. He has lied to our faces. Stop trying to dance on a pin with these twisted ruminations about leadership. Face the facts. It's been painful. Heartbreaking. But if Obama won't do what's right, we don't have to mindlessly, bush-lovingly follow.
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:23 AM
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10. He kept the nation out of a second great depressiion |
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he is no the verge of getting HCR passed that will give millions health insurance and you don't consider that change? Looks like your stomach virus may have compromised your judgment
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:32 AM
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27. He delayed it by handing out trillions to corporations |
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with no strings attached. The underlying problems are still there.
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:39 AM
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28. You know if you are going to have that attitude |
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You may as well never vote at all.
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:58 AM
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:44 AM
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2. Leader of the executive branch |
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And we don't elect Senators or Congress to be the POTUS' puppets.
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Thu Dec-17-09 08:51 AM
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5. no the legislative branch is an equal partner in things (in theory) |
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:29 AM
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Only children seek out "leaders." When did this board become the main promoter of Fuhrerprinzip? I want a capable administrator of a complex system.
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:38 AM
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14. "only children seek out leader" History has shown that statement |
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couldn't be further afield from the truth.
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:44 AM
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16. History has shown the catastrophe |
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of any group that puts its faith in Leadership rather than acting collectively and autonomously. Fuhrerprinzip is for the childhood of the human. We never seem to rid ourselves of God or King.
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:01 AM
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19. Martin Luther King was a leader, FDR was a leader, Ghandi was a leader |
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in WW2 Churchill was a leader.
Oh and FYI, Fuhrerprinzip comes very close to meeting the definition of Goodwin's law.
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:43 AM
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15. I don't ever get to elect a President of my choosing. I only get to |
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choose from amongst the public media approved candidates which, by some odd coincidence, always turn out to be Conservatives. Imagine that....:hurts:
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Thu Dec-17-09 09:52 AM
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:02 AM
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20. How far to the left does one have to be to see Obama as a conservative? |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:17 AM
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24. Probably not more than "Slightly Left of Center" (nt) |
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Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 AM
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32. Not very. He is most definitely not on our side. |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:12 AM
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21. Nor to lead anyone, but to serve the citizenry, and not his corporate masters |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:14 AM
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23. So you are suggesting liberal masters instead of corporate masters? |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:17 AM
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25. Man, you are just fucking tiresome in your hero worship |
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:22 AM
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26. Not nearly as tiresome as your bashing Obama and the Dems agenda is |
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Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 10:22 AM by NJmaverick
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Thu Dec-17-09 11:54 AM
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34. Somehow, I don't think Obama would appreciate you attempting to speak on his behalf |
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He would probably do the *facepalm* if he read how you were "defending" him.
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Thu Dec-17-09 11:02 AM
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He was not a leader and we know he did nothing the public wanted.
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Thu Dec-17-09 11:04 AM
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31. Instead we elected a puppet of the corporations. |
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He certainly doesn't give a shit about what is best for the general public. But the big massive billion dollar companies, he sure looks out for them.
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Thu Dec-17-09 11:50 AM
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33. I love your posts, NJ. Really, I do. |
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I've always wondered what 50,000 DLC monkeys typing look like. Now I know. :rofl:
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Thu Dec-17-09 04:13 PM
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36. No "leaders." Only "representatives." |
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