OK, so we oppose Pres. Obama drive Demorats out of office...

[ProgressOnTheMove]

what's plan B if we do all those things where does the progressive movement go from there just curious. I mean get the impression there are options that can make the future even better than Pres. Obama, so I'm happy to hear them? If plan B works I'm all for it, if there is a plan B.

[babylonsister]

1. ?? And "Demorats?" Hmmm. Freudian? nt

[TexasObserver]

19. a "tell"

[treestar]

2. It puts Republicans in office

And the terminally miserable and dissatisfied will have more to be unhappy about and can post away about how bad things are.

[NJmaverick]

5. Oh I answered what the Anti-Dem/Obama crowd wanted, you answered

what we will all end up getting

[ProgressOnTheMove]

22. I had a feeling that was plan B, well I guess for me I'll just work with what we've got then.

[calico1]

3. I think it's pretty sad that our choices are between

bad and worse.

[BeyondGeography]

8. That's what Eleanor said when she found out about Lucy

But she sucked it up and still accomplished a world of good.

[calico1]

????

[NJmaverick]

4. all the people who didn't have Obama as their first choice get to push their old candidate

and the Green Party people can push for them over the Dems

[hileeopnyn8d]

13. and don't

forget the vanguards pushing for a revolution.

[NJmaverick]

15. or simply anarchy

[natrat]

6. there are no plans, it is what it is-wait and see where it ends up

if you think things will work out good for you and if you think that it's a huge scam and it all ends badly then so be it

[VMI Dem]

7. Is Obama part of the progressive movement?

Heh.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

24. Honestly I never said he was and eyes are wide open but not everything he's doing is taking...

things in a regressive direction. There are many positive things happening out there and I'll appreciate the small victories and hopefully folks will work for more. There's still a shot of a better day if we work to improve the Democratic party, there is nothing but an endless abyss if we allow Republicans back to power and that's the most important thing to remember. I'm not happy with all the movements away from where we would like to be but pragmatic enough to always reach for that small bit of daylight at the end of the tunnel.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. We seem to have a one-letter alphabet.

Unfortunately.

[Buzz Clik]

10. There is no Plan B. And if there were, we'd oppose it.

You don't seem to get it: we are the party of despair and angst. We are not happy unless we are miserable. If you seem to be happy, it will be my job to convince you that you are miserable.

Doncha just love DU?

[NJmaverick]

11. It's getting harder and harder these days

[ProgressOnTheMove]

25. Oh yeah I forgot I'm miserable sorry, what was I thinking. :o

[avaistheone1]

12. There are other Democrats besides Obama.

If I recall we had two elections stolen by Bush which were won by other Democrats. One by was won by Al Gore, and the other by John Kerry. So it not as though Obama is the only Democrat who can win a presidential election.

[lapfog_1]

14. I don't have a solution.

If I had the money, I would be moving somewhere else.

But if you hate what happened to HCR, just wait until you see what happens on Climate Change.

And, so far, there ain't no place on earth I can go to get away from the idiocy that's about the happen.

Fortunately, I'm already over 50 and figure I got 20 years left, maybe 25. That puts my exit date at around 2030 to 2035, before (hopefully) the worst of climate change really gets going.

But maybe not, given the perfidy of the Obama administration.

[Clio the Leo]

16. qood question....

... the Alaska Independence Party perhaps?

[ProgressOnTheMove]

26. Oh to be an Alaskan patriot, in the great independent country of Alaska. *put on caribou*

[Jamastiene]

17. We stop putting our money into electing politicians.

Yes, I said it.

We stop putting our money into electing politicians.

Why?

The corporations are taking care of their funding for elections, in reality. Our money is wasted on them. They do not need or want our input. The system has stagnated that way for years now. We keep getting threats of "where are you going to go" or outright lies. Our money is useless to them anyhow.

Where should we put our money?

We should start putting our money into the issues we want advanced.

1 Pick three issues we want worked on.

2. Come to some absolute goals we want to achieve on each issue.

3. Blitz the newspapers, the internet, television commercials (especially television commercials and shows), billboards, and every other communication medium imaginable with issue specific messages that change the public's opinion of what progressives really believe.

Instead of only seeing Bible verses and ads showing abortion procedures, catch phrases demonizing the left, misrepresentations of what progressives really stand for, stereotyped images of progressives and other negatives thrown at us by conservative groups, people can start seeing a refreshing alternative to the conservative messages.

4. Use actual facts in our message delivery that people cannot refute. Use sources they trust to present the facts to them. They cannot argue if they trust the source. They cannot argue with facts.

5. Demonize the right like they demonize us. It's a low brow tactic, but it would turn the tide that seems to be against us. We are not really the minority in this country. We just don't get our message out there enough to really make people stop and think.

6. Practice this method on local electable positions with short terms (2 year terms).

7. Analyze the data to see what works best, and adjust our percentage of money spent on any medium of communication that proves more effective.

8. Keep advancing our most important issues instead of individual politicians until we see the polls indicate success (and using relentless ad campaigns will bring success) in bringing the American public firmly in our favor. Most importantly in this step, overshoot our goals. We know we need at least 60% in the Senate firmly in our favor on any issue. Overshoot to get our issues to a 70% or more favorable rating in at least 35 states. That would ensure our majority in the Senate.

9. THEN pick the most progressive candidate we can find who will stand up for us. Specifically, pick a candidate who has shown a steady pattern of standing up for us even when it is unpopular to do so.

10. At that point, use a percentage of our money to continue the ad campaign on the issues and a percentage of our money to get the politician elected.



In short, show the American people what we are really made of, target the use of our money to advance our 3 causes/issues and get more support for what we believe in, get more support than we actually need, then pick the right candidates who will actually stand up for us on those 3 issues (without waffling or caving or mutinying) and put those people into play in all parts of our government.

[DKRC]

21. This needs to be an OP

:thumbsup:

[racaulk]

23. Fantastic post!

:applause:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

27. That makes incredible sense although I wouldn't say they are all bought and we should still support

those very few with the record to prove they are woking for the people. Other than that fantastic suggestions. Totally agree this should be a headline post.

[Jamastiene]

30. True. You make a very good point.

We do have a few really good ones we could work with now. No need to abandon the ones who haven't abandoned us. :thumbsup:

[niceypoo]

18. Draft Hillary

[salguine]

29. Oh Jesus Christ. Exchange one corporatist stooge for another.

[firedupdem]

20. "Demorats"

and you guys actually respond to whatever this poster is attempting to say.

:rofl:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

28. They very politely did yes, aren't folks nice. I think it was a fair question anyways.=)

It was too late to get back to the typo by the time I reviewed it. That's life. :)