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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:23 PM Original message |
The "swiftboating" of Howard Dean has begun. Who's next? Senators Feingold and Sanders? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. This attack on Dean will backfire |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. At least they should "go after" those who deserve it |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. 100% agreement |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. +1000 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Bigtime. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. *Will* backfire?? It already *has* backfired. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm sorry. Did Howard Dean fight in the Vietnam War and then have his record |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's a milder equivalent |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Do you think "character assassination" is a better and more accurate term? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I would if there were character assassination involved. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. swiftboat - To attack a politician with specious claims; To trick, scam, or swindle |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So how is Howard being swiftboated? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. That is not being done to Howard Dean. Definitely big time pushback |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Right .... calling Howard Dean "irrational" isn't a personal attack at all! |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Yes, grown men get accused of "throwing tantrums" all the time! |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Who called him irrational? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Please..... Kerry was a partner in the DLC swiftboating of Dean |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
55. Sometimes it sucks to be a literalist. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. I hope that somehow, we the people, do manage to come out ahead on this. |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. You got that right |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
58. I do feel more optimistic seeing this progressive uprising - the party will be forced... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Nancy Pelosi will be next. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. At first glance it reads like a wacky conspiracy theory but it does scare me a bit |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. No conspiracy. It's what Rahm Emanuel does best! |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I agree that Emanuel is a piece of shit - what I've never understood is why Obama hired him |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's not swiftboating for the President and Congress to lash out a little |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Just a little, mild, friendly criticism from Rahm and the boys. Howard Dean's irrational! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Just a fit of pique and annoyance, and nothing more. No big conspiracy to destroy Dean, much |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. And how have they demonstrated their annoyance with Leiberman and company? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. None of us knows what happens behind the scenes. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Right ..... it's a huge mystery how politics and lobbyists work in Washington. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Of course he won't, that's not how it's played. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. I'd actually buy that line of reasoning |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Well, Presidents don't usually publicly condemn any one member |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. I don't always agree with your ops but I felt this one deserved a reccommend..curious |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
22. They wont do anything to them, they still need their votes. The Lefties in the blogoshpere though... |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. I hate to say this, but.... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
26. Recommended. Bless Howard & piss on Rahm! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. I love it. Obama needs to both get tough and back off. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
28. Dean did look a little irrational when he was debating this one on Tweety's show last night... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
30. Obama just lost any chance of getting my vote. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
32. They can't swiftboat Burris |
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DonkeyHoTay (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I like both Dean and Burris very much! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Great DU Name! Welcome to DU |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. But if he has any skeletons in the closet they can threaten to reveal them! |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. That would be "blackmailing", NOT "swiftboating" n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Which is even worse! You think they are up for that sort of thing? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
40. Well, they do it at their own peril - we're not so easily fooled these days. nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. Bernie Sanders is the real deal |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. What's been impressive is that the white house has been too timid to go after Republicans |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. Howard Dean is an enemy of the people. n/t |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. lolz |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
49. I call baloney |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. He is seeming like he gets tough as nails with his friends but lets his enemies roll him |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Well, OK, fair criticism, but it still ain't "swiftboating" |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Its not swiftboating but it stinks about as bad (nt) |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. The DLC is more interested in preserving their power |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
54. Sweety Howard Dean's been swift boated since 2004 |
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