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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:21 PM
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I still don't get how people are disillusioned with Obama's decisions as President
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:24 PM by Recursion
Everything he has done so far is exactly what he campaigned on doing. He said he was going to withdraw troops from Iraq and send troops to Afghanistan. He said he was going to work for health care reform that left the employer-based system intact and had a nearly- but not entirely-universal mandate (recall the primaries).

He said it was more important to reach across party lines for support than to get the exact bill you want (note: in terms of mainstream US views, "reaching across party lines" means reaching out to conservative Democrats, who will probably form their own party once the GOP finishes imploding). He said he favored gradual, consensus-based change. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. Or did I watch a different campaign?

On edit: I'm not saying I agree with his decisions. I'm not saying you should. I'm not saying we shouldn't push him to make better decisions. I'm specifically asking about the sense of disillusionment or bait-and-switch. I just don't see how his administration is fundamentally different from the administration he said during the campaign he would run.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:23 PM
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1. Obama Promised To Work For The Middle Class
He is not.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:55 PM
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24. From where I sit, he is.
My taxes have been cut, and the stimulus has provided me with a business opportunity through the infrastructure projects, which I'm taking advantage of.
Seems to me to be working.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:23 PM
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2. Just proves, voters really didn't have much of a choice in last year's election
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:24 PM
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3. Don't give a fuck about the Constitution??
Was * right?

Just a God Damned piece of paper?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:24 PM
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4. You must've watched a different campaign. This is the one I watched
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:29 PM by Tansy_Gold
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/09/prepared_remarks_of_senator_barack_obama?mode=PF


Prepared remarks of Senator Barack Obama
Virginia Jefferson-Jackson Dinner
February 9, 2008

Saturday, February 9th, 2008

Richmond, Virginia

It has now been one year since we began this campaign for the presidency on the steps of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois -- just me and 15,000 of my closest friends.

At the time, there weren't too many who imagined we'd be standing where we are today. I knew I wouldn't be Washington's favorite candidate. I knew we wouldn't get all the big donors or endorsements right off the bat. I knew I'd be the underdog in every contest from January to June. I knew it wouldn't be easy.

But then something started happening. As we met people in their living rooms and on their farms; in churches and town hall meetings, they all started telling a similar story about the state of our politics today. Whether they're young or old; black or white; Latino or Asian; Democrat, Independent or even Republican, the message is the same:

We are tired of being disappointed by our politics. We are tired of being let down. We're tired of hearing promises made and ten-point plans proposed in the heat of a campaign only to have nothing change when everyone goes back to Washington. Because the lobbyists just write another check. Or because politicians start worrying about how they'll win the next election instead of why they should. Or because they focus on who's up and who's down instead of who matters.

And while Washington is consumed with the same drama and division and distraction, another family puts up a For Sale sign in the front yard. Another factory shuts its doors forever. Another mother declares bankruptcy because she cannot pay her child's medical bills.

And another soldier waves goodbye as he leaves on another tour of duty in a war that should've never been authorized and never been waged. It goes on and on and on, year after year after year.

But in this election -- at this moment -- Americans are standing up all across the country to say, not this time. Not this year. The stakes are too high and the challenges too great to play the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expect a different result. And today, voters from the West Coast to the Gulf Coast to the heart of America stood up to say that it is time to turn the page. We won Louisiana, and Nebraska, and the state of Washington, and I believe that we can win in Virginia on Tuesday if you're ready to stand for change.

Each of us running for the Democratic nomination agrees on one thing that the other party does not -- the next President must end the disastrous policies of George W. Bush. And both Senator Clinton and I have put forth detailed plans and good ideas that would do just that.

But I am running for President because I believe that to actually make change happen -- to make this time different than all the rest -- we need a leader who can finally move beyond the divisive politics of Washington and bring Democrats, Independents, and Republicans together to get things done. That's how we'll win this election, and that's how we'll change this country when I am President of the United States.

This week we found out that the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party is Senator John McCain. Now, John McCain is a good man, an American hero, and we honor his half century of service to this nation. But in this campaign, he has made the decision to embrace the failed policies George Bush's Washington.

He speaks of a hundred year war in Iraq and sees another on the horizon with Iran. He once opposed George Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest few who don't need them and didn't ask for them. He said they were too expensive and unwise. And he was absolutely right.

But somewhere along the line, the wheels came off the Straight Talk Express because he now he supports the very same tax cuts he voted against. This is what happens when you spend too long in Washington. Politicians don't say what they mean and they don't mean what they say. And that is why in this election, our party cannot stand for business-as-usual in Washington. The Democratic Party must stand for change.

This fall, we owe the American people a real choice.

It's a choice between debating John McCain about who has the most experience in Washington, or debating him about who's most likely to change Washington. Because that's a debate we can win.

It's a choice between debating John McCain about lobbying reform with a nominee who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or doing it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you -- the American people.

And it's a choice between taking on John McCain with Republicans and Independents already united against us, or running against him with a campaign that's united Americans of all parties around a common purpose.

There is a reason why the last six polls in a row have shown that I'm the strongest candidate against John McCain. It's because we've done better with Independents in almost every single contest we've had. It's because we've won in more Red States and swing states that the next Democratic nominee needs to win in November.

Virginia Democrats know how important this is. That's how Mark Warner won in this state. That's how Tim Kaine won in this state. That's how Jim Webb won in this state. And if I am your nominee, this is one Democrat who plans to campaign in Virginia and win in Virginia this fall.

We are here to make clear that this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white.

It is about the past versus the future. The Republicans in Washington are already running on the politics of yesterday, which is why our party must be the party of tomorrow. And that is the party I will lead as President of the United States.

I know what it takes to pass health care reform because I've done it -- not by demonizing anyone who disagrees with me, but by bringing Democrats and Republicans together to provide health insurance to 150,000 children and parents in Illinois.

And when I am President, we'll pass universal health care not in twenty years, not in ten years, but by the end of my first term in office. But you don't have to take my word for it. Senator Ted Kennedy recently said that he wouldn't have endorsed me if he didn't believe passionately that I will fight for universal health care as President. And if there's someone who knows something about health care, it's Ted Kennedy.

My plan would bring down premiums for the typical family by $2500 a year. We'd ban insurance companies from denying you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. We'd allow every American to get the same kind of health care that members of Congress get for themselves. And the one difference between my plan and Senator Clinton's plan is that she said she'd ‘go after' your wages if you don't buy health care. Well I believe the reason people don't have health care isn't because no one's forced them to buy it, it's because no one's made it affordable -- and that's why we bring down the cost of health care more than any other plan in this race.

It's also time to bring the cost of living down for working families who are struggling in this economy like never before. They're facing rising costs and falling wages, and we owe it to them to end the Bush-McCain tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% and put a tax cut into the pockets of the families who need it.

That's what I did in Illinois when I brought Democrats and Republicans together to provide $100 million in tax relief to working families and the working poor, and that's the kind of tax relief I'll provide as President.

I will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas and give a middle-class tax break to 95% of working Americans. And homeowners who are struggling. And seniors who deserve to retire with dignity and respect. And I won't wait another ten years to raise the minimum wage in this country -- I will raise it to keep pace with inflation every single year.

It's also time to give every child, everywhere, a world-class education, from the day they're born to the day they graduate college. I am only here today because somebody, somewhere, gave my father a ticket to come study in America. Because my mother got the opportunity to put herself through graduate school. Because even though we didn't have much growing up, I got scholarships to go to some of the best schools in the country. That's the chance I believe every child should have.

When I am President, we will give our children the best possible start by investing in early childhood education. We'll stop talking about how great our teachers are, and start rewarding them for their greatness, with better pay and more support. And we will provide every American with a $4,000 a year tax credit that will finally help make a college education affordable and available for all.

And when I am President, this party will be the party that finally makes sure our sons and daughters don't grow up in a century where our economy is weighed down by our addiction to oil; our foreign policy is held hostage to the whims of dictators; and our planet passes a moment of no return.

When I called for higher fuel efficiency standards, I didn't do it in front of an environmental group in California -- I did it in front of the automakers in Detroit. Now it was pretty quiet -- I didn't get a lot of applause. But we need leadership that tells the American people not just what they want to hear, but what we need to know. That's why I will set the goal of an 80% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050, and we will meet it -- with higher fuel standards and new investments in renewable fuels that will create millions of new jobs and entire new industries right here in America.

Finally, it is time to turn the page on eight years of a foreign policy that has made us less safe and less respected in the world. If I am the nominee of this party, John McCain will not be able to say that I agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq; agreed with him on giving George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; and agree with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like. Because that doesn't make us look strong, it makes us look arrogant. John F. Kennedy said that you should never negotiate out of fear, but you should never fear to negotiate. And that's what I will do as President. I don't just want to end this war in Iraq, I want to end the mindset that got us into war. It is time to turn the page.

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party -- the Democratic Party -- has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose -- a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed -- that all of us are created equal -- that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

That is who we are. That is the Party that we need to be, and can be, if we cast off our doubts, and leave behind our fears, and choose the America that we know is possible. Because there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, when its spirit has to come through, when it must choose the future over the past, when it must make its own change from the bottom up.

This is our moment. This is our message -- the same message we had when we were up, and when we were down. The same message that we will carry all the way to the convention. And in seven months time we can realize this promise; we can claim this legacy; we can choose new leadership for America. Because there is nothing we cannot do if the American people decide it is time.




(edited to remove weird punctuation from original)

TG2012
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:09 PM
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31. Yeah. That was the guy I was hoping we'd get.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:40 PM
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36. It makes me so damn fucking mad
I read the words of that speech and I get tears in my eyes. Yeah, okay, so I'm a sentimental sap. But still, how how HOW could he say those things and then turn around and do what he's doing now?

I need a drink.




TG2012
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 PM
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37. I'll bend an elbow with you.
:toast:
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 PM
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38. I remember that guy. What ever happened to him?
Is he the prisoner of Zenda now or something?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:52 PM
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39. It's amazing what one finds when one goes looking for things
I had loved The Prisoner of Zenda from the first time I saw the Ronald Colman film, and as soon as I was old enough, I tracked down the novel at the public library. I've probably read it half a dozen times over the years.

For some reason or other, however, Rudolph's last name escaped me just now, so I googled and of course Rassendyll was right there in front of me on the wikipedia page.

Okay, fine.

Those of you who have read many of my postings here over the years know that I have often made reference to "Dave," the 1993 film starring Kevin Kline, another of those "secret double" plots. Little did I know. . . . .


Here, from wikipedia:

Dave is a 1993 comedy-drama movie written my Gary Ross, directed by Ivan Reitman, and starring Kevin Kline, Sigourney Weaver, Frank Langella, Kevin Dunn, Ving Rhames, Ben Kingsley, and Laura Linney. Ross was nominated for an Academy Award for his screenplay which is based on Anthony Hope's novel The Prisoner of Zenda



We desperately need either a Rudolph Rassendyll or a Dave Kovic to bring back the "real" Barack Obama.




TG2012
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:24 PM
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42. Or at least the Three Musketeers!
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 04:24 PM by freddie mertz
I love movies too.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:09 PM
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40. What is he doing that goes against that speech?
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 04:12 PM by Recursion
I mean, sure, the health care plan he talks about in that speech isn't what's making it through Congress, but that's Harry Reid. His priorities have always been lowering costs, extending coverage, and requiring insurers to insure all. That's why the recissions and pre-existing conditions language has so far survived: it was his stated main priority, so nobody went after it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:25 PM
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5. I don't recall him saying that he was going to make sure Wall Street...
...the insurance/pharma industry and the military industrial complex got as much taxpayer money as he could get his hands on.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:26 PM
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6. TARP was W's plan
And he pretty quickly got at least some of it sent to actual companies that employ actual people.

He said he was going to expand our presence in Afghanistan; how could that not enrich the MIC?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM
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8. The WH has blocked real reform for Wall Street the same way they've blocked...
...real reform for healthcare - and the war is an enormous scam at this point.

Wake up - this guy was supposed to work for the middle class.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:27 PM
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7. The consensus among the people is that we need a strong public option
and to a lot of those people that means Medicare for All. Pity he only cares what the corporations and their Congressional stooges think - he didn't tell us that's how it would be when he was campaigning.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:30 PM
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11. That's right - he pretended that he would fight for the people...
...but ignores the polls that show what the people want.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:35 PM
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14. If that were true, "the people" would have supported Kucinich
I don't think people really support a policy if they can't bring themselves to vote for a candidate who supports it, too.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM
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16. Poll after poll has shown the majority of Americans wanting a public option n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM
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18. Then the polls are flawed. If the majority wanted it, they'd elect people who did too NT
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:45 PM
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21. LOL - Obama campaigned on the public option. nt
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM
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9. Obama...
Doesn't know who the hell he is and he doesn't know what the fuck he wants. He is a rudderless ship.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:13 PM
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41. One of the sad facts about politics
is that the person who makes the best candidate may not make the best representative/senator/president and the person who would be the best office holder may be a lousy candidate.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:29 PM
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10. Obama campaigned AGAINST mandates in HCR
Hillary was the person that wanted mandates.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:34 PM
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13. OK, he campaigned to the right of where he is now
That kind of makes my point even more, doesn't it?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:37 PM
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15. You've got is assbackwards
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:37 PM by DJ13
He campaigned on NO mandates, he now WANTS mandates.

He is now governing to the RIGHT of his campaign promise.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM
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17. Mandates have always been our idea; conservatives have always opposed them
Why half of my party suddenly hates something our party has been pushing for for decades is beyond me
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:40 PM
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19. You're being too clear-headed and reasonable...stop!
:rofl:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:40 PM
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20. The party promoted mandates via the income tax, like other nations use
Thats entirely different from forcing individuals to buy private insurance under the threat of penalties by the US government.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:02 PM
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26. I agree that's a better way of doing mandates
But I'm not doctrinaire enough to be really bothered by that difference. If you don't buy insurance, you have a tax penalty; so the "penalty" is what other nations do as a matter of course.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:10 PM
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32. You are a joke. Forcing pepole to buy private products
rather than pay tax into an equal,non profit pool is not a 'doctrinaire' difference. And other nations do not penalize as a matter of course.
And Obama campaigned against mandates clearly. So you have trouble with the truth.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM
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12. The disillusionment is in the details, not in the broad strokes.
If Obama had campaigned on everyone in CA having a good job, I'd be disillusioned if his plan to accomplish that was to ship all of the unemployed and underemployed in CA off to live in states other than CA.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:46 PM
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22. Until Copenhagen I have given him good marks on the environment.
Now it looks like we will fail to accomplish anything whatsoever there, and go on merrily polluting.

And on health care he is gonna lose me completely unless we get an affordable public option.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:53 PM
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23. Read this about the PO..
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:58 PM
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25. Revisiting NAFTA? Eliminating DADT?
There are other things with which I disagree or which are subjective, but these are two clear examples of Obama NOT "doing exactly what he said he would do".
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:03 PM
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27. I'll grant you he chickened out on DADT
And that's a very fair case to make for disillusionment. Fair enough.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:09 PM
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30. You did make some valid points.
Our increased involvement in Afghanistan was one of his clear goals throughout the campaign. To express disappointment that he actually wants to increase our presence there is just silly.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:06 PM
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28. You are incorrect. He campaigned strongly against mandated
purchase by adults. He very specifically opposed them, and attacked Clinton for supporting them. He ran ads against both her and mandates,and her view of mandates. He made a commercial in which he claimed she'd 'come after your paycheck' with mandated insurance purchase.
So that was a clear promise, a position made repeatedly in the positive and in the negative. He criticized Clinton unmercifully for her support of mandates.
So when you say he ran on mandated purchase of private insurance, you are foisting a falsehood.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:32 PM
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35. As I said above, that means he's gone *to the left* from where he campaigned NT
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:06 PM
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29. Edit
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:11 PM by Bluenorthwest
double post.
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:10 PM
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33. At the end of the day, our political system turns one into a cynic real quick
2 party systems always breed bullshit for ideas and leave little room for ideological and party purity. A system that rewards money as a way to exercise political speech gives an undue influence to people who don't want our business-they want us to need their business. We're always going to be stuck with the lesser of 2 evils and its no wonder we have so many apathetic people.

FWIW, I think Obama has done a really decent job given the torrent of shit that waited for him on January 20. The opposition has rolled out the big guns- they hope that every fight will be Obama's Waterloo. They got backed into a corner last year and they've come out swinging. Unfortunately Obama seems a bit too eager to take the bait and try and play ball with people who would like nothing more than to deflate the ball. That said, I am still glad I voted for him and wake up every day thankful that McCain is not holding the reigns of power.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:20 PM
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34. I did pay attention, and I am honestly disillusioned, I just thought he would
fight them a little harder, unlike others, I honestly believe he intended real change occur...I am also coming to the conclusion that he has fallen under the pressure from perhaps threats, to him, his loved ones, threats of attempting to set up illegal activities in his or his friends name and prosecute? I am not privy, but I know for a fact that politicians are threatened with such every single day... And I have come to the conclusion, if you are going to allow fear mongering tactics to dictate your agenda, I suggest you don't enter the arena in the first place in which threats and or casualties will surely occur...

Such is well know in washington which is why I am watching Grayson closely, he is new..how far will them let him go before they attempt to reign him in and will he like others in the end capitulate and lay down his own sword in defeat?

I heard President Obama on the trail many many times say.."we" need to fight together..I liked that message that "we" the people would likely get a voice..

.I do think he knew what he was in for, he is by far unlike the last eight years not a stupid man, but perhaps he thought that "we" the people would do more to ensure his safety and that of his loved ones and that he would be able to use us as a shield against the criminal underbelly of washington which includes that little bitty mens club whom love to use spiritual religious quotes as chess pieces in a game that is surely being fought to the death and for their own selfish desires, are these criminal power players that strong?

Are "We" the american people that weak that they show so little fear from us?

At least ten million strong which is honestly a fraction of american average citizens? Do they honestly have the power to shut down such odds if those numbers were to rise as one front to shut down their criminal enterprise that for now has invaded our very inner core of american goverment?...

It is way past time to shut down the media, other than a few on MSNBC such as Rachel, the rest are useless baggage, might as well watch et instead of any other news outlet.

when Rachel and a few others are not being shown it is time to turn the channel..and let them know you are doing it..let the advertisers know..regardless of the wealth of some individuals who own these wasteful so called news channels, without advertisers funds they will eventually feel the pinch in their own pocket, one thing about the wealthy, they hate using their own funds and if at all possible, they demand freebies and or donations be they from advertisers etc...

Ensure the water taps cannot be turned on and one is bound to go dry sooner or later....

we need to do more...the future of "OUR" country and society is at stake...the media as a whole are no friend to the average american citizen...



Things that should not be an issue or a concern for the average voter...

Gay marriage..

Personal faith..

Pro choice for women...

(the only three they keep using to keep the republicans coming back up for air, if that is not a cue they offer nothing else I don't know what else to say to some)

Issues that Do matter and should be of concern...

Affordable health care for all, courtesy of "we" the people by using our money NOT for unending war games but in order to save lives, not end them..

Equal rights for ALL americans regardless of ethnicity's, gender and or status....

What part of church and state does NOT mix well in any true democratic society and should never find itself being challenged ever do some american citizens not get?...should be a law that stays in force at all times period...meaning, those who wish to cross that line will simply in the future be verily ignored....

Climate change is real and as such for not only our future but that of our children and or grandchildren should never find itself being set aside in favor of the naysayers, we simply do not have the time to suffer these fools who continue to use this very real threat against this world as nothing more than political grandstanding...

Wars cannot be seen as necessary when the threat to our country is a non issue...

Marijuana a plant, and not a dangerous one, can and should immediately be made legal and all those in prison for either using or selling to be let out immediately, we can no longer afford to feed, clothe and give the best medical care to those insider our prison system that in all honesty should never have entered it..

The death penalty for reasons that are obvious should be challenged immediately...I see a solution, leave that decision to the prisoner themselves, for in my mind, putting humans inside what amounts to nothing more than animal cages for life is beyond inhumane..

Our judicial system needs some serious overhaul, just to ensure profit netting prisons continue to be filled so that again a precious few can ensure they make money should not mean we allow stupid laws to become enacted that ensure the prisons remain filled to the brim...

Media outlets cannot claim fair and balanced nor even call themselves news stations if they are not forced to ensure their reporting is based on factual data that came from true investigated journalism along with a required proof of said accuracy of news stories....if they cannot claim such nor prove they are dealing with facts than they must put a "for entertainment purposes" only disclaimer...

Energy efficiency should be first and foremost a valued continual funded study to ensure we do not continue to waste waste waste our precious earths life giving materials...

Torture is out and out criminal with no exceptions for status and or secrecy reasons...

Law enforcement should be required to meet rigid standards of morality and justice at all times, in the end, those involved are no different than you or I, they are doing a job they themselves trained to do which in no way makes them above the very same laws all of our citizens are forced to endure..

It is downright illegal and against our rights as citizens for personal business owners to be made to force certain limitations on it's customers simply because of a few citizens who are not comfortable with a certain surrounding atmosphere..

It is time we realize how valuable freedom honestly is....if anyone wishes for less freedoms in order to ensure they themselves find a kind of comfort than in my mind, they are in the wrong country to begin with, we are seen as a free country, the way things have gone in the past twenty years, it is pretty obvious that we are being forced into the opposite of what we ourselves "claim" to be...

There are many many important issues that need attention...

Get rid of the above three the republicans constantly use, the losers, and get to working and caring about the ones that truly manner, make it downright illegal for any representative to even question the basic rights of ALL american citizens, if they decide to, then they should be immediately released from office...challangeing citizens rights for inequality should be seen as close to treason to this countries ideals as one can get, and they can either sit down and shut up or move to another less freedom loving country or find another line of work...

done...regardless if anyone reads this...I still had a desire to write it..

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