Ben Nelson Statement: I Cannot Support Cloture

[flpoljunkie]

Nelson Statement: I Cannot Support Cloture

10 MINUTES AGO

In a statement, Sen. Ben Nelson repeated what he told a Nebraska radio station earlier today: Unless abortion language is changed in the health care bill, he will not vote for cloture but instead stand with a Republican filibuster. He praised some provisions of a proposed compromise, that create teen pregnancy programs and provide tax credits for adoption, but said the bill would effectively relax the Hyde amendment.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/health-care/#308718

[alsame]

1. HCR king du jour. nt

[flpoljunkie]

I think for Nelson, former insurance company CEO, it's anything to kill the bill.

The governor of his state has also asked him to vote against the health care bill, as well.

[alsame]

10. Yeah, why should he worry about pesky things like the American people.

[andym]

2. By accident he may force reconciliation

which may actually be a better outcome. I think some in the Senator will filibuster the language he wants.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

3. Oh yeah but the so called left is really the problem here. nt

[snagglepuss]

11. Bingo nt

[lapfog_1]

4. Good, watch them bend over to put Stupak or worse

into the Senate bill, just to get to that magic 60.

Abortion rights... thrown under the bus.

[Mass]

5. Why should he? After the Lieberman's incident, it was to be expected.\nt

[flpoljunkie]

9. Interesting how Reid capitulates to the 'Conservadems' but expects liberals to eat the sh*t sandwich

[flpoljunkie]

13. They already removed the anti-trust exemption in the House bill for Nelson.

We don't have representatives of the people in Congress, we have bought and paid for representatives who represent the special interests--not the public interest. It really becomes apparent when legislation is being made in the Senate.

[jillan]

6. Why am I not surprised.

[GrantDem]

7. When will these cowardice fucks quit making excuses?

I wish they would just admit they won't support ANY reform because they are in the pocket of the insurance industry. Take a principled stand you incompetent fucks.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Sorry, Ben, Lieberman done stoled your thunder. We don't really care about you.

[ellie]

12. FUCK HIM!

That was cathartic.

[jenmito]

14. They should put in the Hyde Amendment, word for word.

Then, everyone, including him, should be happy.

[phleshdef]

23. All it should take is one sentence that sais the bill must maintain the hyde amendment.

How hard can that be?

[jenmito]

28. Exactly. I see NO problem (if he's serious about that being the problem). n/t

[WeDidIt]

15. Watch the contortions Obama goes through to please Ben

all the while badmouthing Dean.

[Armstead]

16. Then let's Outlaw Abortion and get a bill by Christmas...We need a win

No I don't mean it...But I'm expecting to hear it from the "bill now or bust" crowd.

[tomm2thumbs]

19. +1 (...must have present under tree... must have present under tree...)

[IndianaGreen]

26. Abortion ban is just a sliver

:puke:

[slinkerwink]

17. knew this was coming.

[tomm2thumbs]

18. if at the end of the day a gutted bill is all they have, better to reconcile a strong foundation

when you slowly keep adding vinegar to milk, eventually you will add enough vinegar to make it undrinkable.

by removing any semblance of reasonable cost reform, they have poured the entire bottle of vinegar in and tossed in the cap to boot.

[Zodiak]

20. Wow...what a shocker!

You mean capitulating to Leiberman only emboldened the conservadems even more?

Who could have seen this coming?

Remember this DUers...when the circular firing squad starts, always remember that the first shot will ALWAYS be fired by a conservadem.

[freddie mertz]

21. How long till this asshole is being toasted in the White House? nt.

[depakid]

22. Good- stand with Republicans and kill it

and wait until Reid loses in 2010 and watch your seniority go away. Now there's a win/win for the rest of us.

[Renew Deal]

24. This is obviously Obama's fault.

:eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

25. I wonder if Obama will appease Nelson by agreeing to Stupak-type language

despite the fact it was voted down days ago.

[jenmito]

27. "...but said the bill would effectively relax the Hyde amendment." So put the Hyde amendment in!

Case closed.

[Milo_Bloom]

29. Time for the bill to die anyway.

[jenmito]

30. Along with all the people who will die without it.

[Milo_Bloom]

31. Which is absolutely NO ONE.

The bill does not save a single life.

Period.

[jenmito]

32. It'll insure over 30 million people

which will save lives, along with those previously uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions.

[Yavin4]

34. Bullshit It Will

It will force millions of working class Americans to over pay for pathetic health care coverage.

This bill will destroy the Democratic party.

[Milo_Bloom]

35. And that will save lives how, exactly?

#1) Health INSURANCE isn't health care. There is absolutely 0 EVIDENCE than a single person died from lack of health INSURANCE.

#2) This bill creates the ILLUSION of giving care to those with pre-existing conditions, but the protections are pretty much meaningless, as there are too many loopholes to allow them not to actually give the protection.


Now, let's break it down. Why do people not have insurance? Because they cannot AFFORD it. So the idea is to make insurance plans affordable and in some cases, completely subsidized. You do realize these cheaper plans have higher out of pocket costs and deductibles, right? Do you actually believe these people who can't afford insurance and are supposedly dying due to lack of insurance are suddenly going to be able to afford the out of pocket costs associated with the plans? This is where they come up with this idiotic number of 20K people per year dying from lack of health insurance, because these are people with "treatable" conditions. However, these conditions (diabetes, hypertension, etc..) require out of pocket costs for medication and doctor's visits and that isn't going to change.

It doesn't save lives becuase it doesn't properly regulate what passes for proper health care and doesn't give an alternative to people who are unable to afford the out of pocket costs associated with the affordable plans.

[Yavin4]

33. Where The Fuck Is The Majority Leader?

Where is he? Little pathetic weasel that he is. Every conservative Dem is lining up to take a shit on him like he's Danny Thomas.

[DCBob]

36. Why is Nelson a Democrat?

He is farther right that many actual Republicans.

[madfloridian]

37. No party leader will criticize him.

.

[TheKentuckian]

38. I'm sure he'll get his ass kissed while anybody who wants something

for the people gets threatened with everything up to killing the family and pissing on the ashes.