Silent Thread For FDR

[MannyGoldstein]

FDR signed the Social Security Act in 1935.



Before the Act, about half of elder Americans lived in poverty. Social Security has reduced this to about 10%.

Please reflect a moment on FDR, and the good people surrounding him. Those smiles come from good hearts and good works, and for 76 years that work allowed millions of Americans to have a dignified retirement.

They did their work. Now it's up to us.

[merbex]

1. kicked and rec'd

[boxman15]

2. SS Benefits are not on the table.

All that is on the table are reforms to end waste, fraud, and red tape. They may raise the cap. Nothing about benefits though. Absolutely nothing.

And no, I'm not bashing FDR. He's the greatest president of all-time. (I just know someone is going to suggest I am, since I'm critical of the idea of SS being under attack by the WH)

[MannyGoldstein]

5. No COLA changes or increase in eligibility age?

Really?

[jenmito]

26. NO. Steny Hoyer said so just tonight on MSNBC. n/t

[Fearless]

36. Link?

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Even this gets unrec-ed

Amazing. Powerful forces at work.

[ZombieHorde]

7. Not all of us love hard-core, institutional racists. nt

[boppers]

14. Rounding up and imprisoning non-white people gets a pass from many,

Along with institutionalized racism being enforced.

[ZombieHorde]

24. You seem to be right. nt

[Number23]

49. Even racists alive and kicking get serious passes around here

Jane Hamsher and her ilk. I still remember folks here begging "leftists" to align themselves with tea partiers.

And they wonder why this place has long since lost its influence and cache.

[bvar22]

18. ?

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed. "
--FDR, State of the Union Address, 1944

If YOU can find a statement establishing Racial Equality as a Democratic Party Policy
that pre-dates this statement by FDR in his State of the Union address,
please post it.

Otherwise......well, you know what you can do.

[ZombieHorde]

23. Actions speak louder than words.

FDR rounded people up and locked them away for having the wrong ethnicity.

A little quote may make that all better for you, but it doesn't work on me.

[dflprincess]

25. And he did so at the urging of the Attorney General of California - Earl Warren.

What I've always found more shocking than Warren's & FDR's roles in this atrocity was that in Korematsu v the U.S. the internment of Japanese Americans was found Constitutional by a 6-3 vote. The majority included Hugo Black, William O. Douglas, and Wiley B. Rutledge all three were considered defenders not just of the New Deal but of civil liberties. In particular, Rutledge was considered especially liberal in the way he interpreted due process.

And you know what? Despite this decision, I would way rather have a Supreme Court with justices like Warren, Douglas, Black, and Rutledge than the one we have now.

And I would way rather have FDR in the White House.

[ZombieHorde]

30. They probably would have rounded up American Arabs after 9/11 and locked them up. nt

[dflprincess]

43. Are you at all familiar with the Warren Court and its decisions or

William O. Douglas' opinions while on the court?

Chances are both would have handled the internment differently if they could have done it over again.

[ZombieHorde]

44. That is not a risk I would be willing to take, but they are gone, so I don't really have to worry

about it.

The fact institutional racists are hero worshiped is what concerns me.

[dflprincess]

46. So you're not familiar with the Warren Court

Start with the positions these "institutional racists" took in Brown v The Board, Bolling v. Sharpe, Cooper v. Aaron, Gomillion v. Lightfoot, Griffin v. County School Board, Green v. School Board of New Kent County, Lucy v. Adams, Loving v. Virginia.

Just to broaden your horizons a bit you may also want to check out Miranda v Arizona and Gideon v. Wainwright.

[ZombieHorde]

50. I am not saying they never did anything nice.

I am saying FDR had people rounded up by race, and then locked them up. Some people are cool with that; I am not.

[bvar22]

27. I will take that as a NO,

you can't find an earlier policy statement for Racial Equality,
because there is none.

With THIS statement of Democratic party Policy, FDR Opened the DOOR for the Civil Rights movement that was follow.

"We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed."--FDR. 1944

THAT is a Democratic Party POLICY STATEMENT delivered in a State of the Union Address.

BTW: Did you know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? OMG!!!
So everything else Jefferson did SUCKS!!!!
:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[DutchLiberal]

52. So, who would you prefer over FDR?

Harry Truman, who committed genocide by throwing two atomic bombs on the civilian population of Japan, annihilating hundreds of thousands of men, women and children?

Ike Eisenhower, under whom the CIA killed of democracy in Iran, deposed a duly elected leader and imposed almost 30 years of brutal, repressive dictatorship upn the Iranians (which would come back to bite us in the ass in 1979)?

John F. Kennedy, who presided over the Bay of Pigs invasion; made the plans for overthrowing Brazil's democratic government; and who radically incrsead the American involvement in Vietnam with thousands of 'advisers'?

Lyndon Johnson, the guy who abused the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident to lie the country into the Vietnam war and escalated the conflict at the cost of tens of thousands of American and millions of Asian lives?

Richard Nixon, who secretly and illegally expanded the Vietnam war into Laos and Cambodia (helping the devilish Khmer Rouge in their recruitment); overthrowing and murdering democratically elected Salvador Allende in Chile, imposing the people to almost 20 years of iron rule under Pinochet; who ordered breaking into the DNC headquarters?

Gerald Ford, who pardoned Nixon for his crimes because he was such a good friend to him?

Jimmy Carter... okay, I have nothing against Jimmy Carter, except that he wasn't half as effectual in implementing liberal policies as was FDR.

Ronald Reagan, who presided over record-breaking deficits every single year; who deregulated Wall Street and the financial markets which eventually would cause the 2008 global economic meltdown; whose policies were responsible for a massive transition of wealth from the poor to the rich; who supported Apartheid in South-Africa; who committed genocide in Guatemala; who financed terrorist groups in Nicaragua?

George H.W. Bush, the one really pulling the strings behind Reagan?

Bill Clinton, who gave us NAFTA; who ended Glass-Steegal; who cut welfare and called it 'reform'; who bombed Iraq on a weekly basis, killing thousands of people?

George W. Bush, who lied us into the Iraq War; who put two wars and a gigantic tax cut for the rich on the nation's creditcard; who personally ordered the torture of hundreds of people; who illegally detained hundreds of innocent people?









You pick one.

[21st Century FDR]

8. I welcome their hatred.

<----Just like he did.

[madinmaryland]

16. Un-reccing for the ritual whine about an un-rec.

:wtf:

[Jakes Progress]

4. K&R

[great white snark]

6. "There are as many opinions as there are experts." FDR

Unrec

[Wait Wut]

9. Ooooooh...

...nice!! ;)

[bigwillq]

10. K and R (nt)

[blkmusclmachine]

11. K & R

[Daphne08]

12. I have his photo on my wall.

:kick:

[alsame]

13. Apparently, we are not capable of

being silent about FDR :D

[WiffenPoof]

15. K&R

[jefferson_dem]

17. K/R... This...

reminds me of an updated version of that.

[bvar22]

19. Here.

Standing for FDR.
I joined the Party of FDR 44 years ago.

[The Hitman]

20. Hey, remember when your hero rounded up everyone with slanted eyes and put them in internment camps?

Best president ever, my ass. Funny how people gloss over that.

Give me LBJ any day over FDR.

[21st Century FDR]

22. LBJ?? Really??

The guy who got 58,000 Americans and a couple million Vietnamese killed for no good reason.

That LBJ??

[Hawkowl]

33. I'll take either LBJ or FDR

Over Obama. I'd take any president over the last 80 years excluding W or Reagan for that matter.

[craigmatic]

51. yeah LBJ was great. nt

[MissDeeds]

21. K&R

:patriot:

[vroomvroom]

28. K&R

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

31. .

[Tom Rinaldo]

32. No he wasn't perfect but we could use someone like him now

[ZombieHorde]

34. He would probably have rounded up the Arab Americans after 9/11 and locked them up. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

35. Americans were even more zenophobic then than they are now

Democrats and Republicans pretty much were in the same racist leaning boat back then. People are partially a product of their times. I doubt if FDR came up through the ranks of the Democratic Party today would do what you suggest.

[angel823]

37. K&R

"I relish their hatred". FDR

Angel

[sunnystarr]

38. K&R cause I don't believe in un-recs (nt)

[slay]

39. .

K&R

[unionworks]

40. FDR

Was beloved by the poor and downtrodden

[democracy1st]

41. kicked

[luv_mykatz]

42. Standing with this thread.

Kicking and recommending!

[Bryn]

45. Kick for FDR

:toast:

[Jakes Progress]

47. K&R History is a bitch when you have an idol to create.

All that history to rewrite and revise.

[Number23]

48. Dagnabbit!! This is the THIRD post I've tried to unrec today and was too late to do so

You guys must have all posted during the witching hour or something. Makes sense, really...