If Obama committing political Suicide?

[Robbins]

If news reports on him prepared to cut SS,Medicare,and Medicaid are true(and let's remember we have had theses stories before)
and the debt celling Is raised with no tax Increases on the wealthy and corporations but cuts SS,Medicare,and Medicaid then
Obama may be committing Political suicide on behalf of all Democrats.

The Ryan plan to end Medicare Is gone as weapon for Democrats.Republicans can run ads saying Obama wants to end Social Security
and Medicare.They can claim they are trying to protect from Obama.Yes lies but he will give them that opening by this.Some are willing to buy the black man wants to take away old White people's benefits.

If Obama loses In 2012 he takes the Democrats with him.If he loses Republicans keep the House and gain the Senate.You think things
are bad now just wait for President Romney or President bachman with a Republican House and Republican Senate.

The only way people will accept any cuts Is If every cut Is offshooted by raising taxes on the rich.Keith Olberman had It right last
night commenting on the BS from McConnell.

Obama has to start giving people reasons to vote for him.Gutting SS,Medicare,and Medicaid with no Taxes raised on wealthy IS not
going to cause much enthusiasm for him.giving Republicans what they want with nothing In return Is Political suicide.

You have to wonder what Obama and his political advisers are thinking.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. "Who th $%^# else ya gonna vote for, chumps?"

That's what they're thinking.

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Ding, ding, ding

[no_hypocrisy]

7. So if democrats have nowhere else to go in 2012, why not tell Boehner, McConnell and Cantor to

blow it out their ears?

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Because Obama is fighting for the same campaign money

and other perks as are the Republicans, from the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

[no_hypocrisy]

12. Couldn't he win without the money?

(Ignorance asking . . . )

[polichick]

18. Sure, if he stood with the people - but he's into the corporate wealth scene.

[FormerDittoHead]

21. How about... Nobody! See how that worked out for you last November.

I WILL vote for Obama, but PLEASE don't ask for any money! I can't spare the "change".

The PROBLEM is I don't see all of those "excited" voters in 2008 being as "excited" in 2012...

Democrats NEED *BIG* turnouts. Do you see anything here that will get the people out like in 2008?

Obama has it in his mind that Republicans will either stay home or actually vote for him?

I DO think he's smart, but if he believes AS HE HAS BEEN ACTING, then maybe he's "Jimmy Carter" smart.

edit: spelling

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. I'm beginning to think so.

and the party may go down the tube with him.

[Uben]

3. Obama is quite intelligent.......

...I'd say more so than most here. The MSM twists and turns every event to favor a particular view, never stating the obvious.
We get most of our news from them, therefore our opinions are based on what they feed us. I prefer to think Obama knows much better than we how to solve the -crisis de jour- because his access to information is not filtered by the MSM. He knows the numbers, the facts, the consequences and the probabilities. Us?........not so much. Who ya gonna call?

[mazzarro]

4. IMO Obama has accepted the rethug economic arguments

And he is more inclined towards corporate arguments for relief of all kinds of things. He has decided to look out for himself and his companions in the New Democrats/Third Way groups and they do not care whatever becomes of the rank-and-file democrats since their votes locked up anyway. So political suicide or not, Obama and his groups believe that the democratic party will survive in one form or another no matter the size of the eventual party.

[polichick]

17. delete

[w4rma]

6. He committed political suicide before the last elections, too. Neo-Dems can't be trusted. (nt)

[ProSense]

8. It's

time to step away from the ridiculous cliches.

Every announcement of a good move by the administration has been met with statements like "it must be election time" or "another bone to liberals."

So which is it: bone throwing to win an election or political suicide to be one-termer?

[Solomon]

14. This is exactly what gets me. People are so invested in their

own personal opinions that even when the man does something right, they spin it away. "What took him so long, yeah but but, etc etc."
"He only did it for political reasons, blah de blah blah." That and the constantly stretching and changing of words and on and on.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. I will tell you exactly what they're thinking...

"No one in the rising generation believes SS is going to be there for them.
And everyone, young and old, has had it dinned into them that 'Social Security is in crisis'.

I know it's not broken, you know it's not broken, but it takes fifty million voters give or take to elect a president, and a lot of those fifty million votes can be got by 'fixing' Social Security -- even if it isn't broken.

65 and up voted for McCain by 10 points. There was no fish in that pond even before the Tea Party shit."

His political calculus may be off, or not, but it's not like there's no calculus at all.

Deciding to run on the slogan "Winning the Future" suggests where the center of gravity in the campaign is going to be.

I don't know why people are shocked when politicians, for whom popularity is like oxygen, take steps to address what people think are problems -- even when the problems aren't really there.

[polmaven]

11. I am so sick to death of "IF"

being changed to "IS"!!!!! Neither the letter f or the letter s is typed with the middle finger. Once we have the word "DID", all three letters of which are typed with that finger, then we can talk!

[vaberella]

13. Deal with it...reading comprehension seems to be lost on psuedo-intellectuals. n/t

[emulatorloo]

15. SELF DELETE

[polichick]

16. According to some political reporters, he's playing the adult in the room...

...for the benefit of indie voters, who supposedly like him in that role.

To hell with Democratic principles or just doing what's right, I guess.

[craigmatic]

19. The problem is that there is no explanation of anything coming from the white house.

They just make these grand announcements and do nothing to explain why this is neccessary. At least the repigs justify their bull shit even if it's a lie.

[ShadowLiberal]

20. Have hope, Obama needs Liberal Democrats to get a deal through the House

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/liberal-democrats-have-leverage-on-debt-deal/

Read this article by Nate Silver, it explains how Liberals in the house have more influence on the debt ceiling talks then it looks. The main reason why is because the Tea Party republicans & most vulnerable republicans are likely to vote against ANY debt ceiling deal. Vulnerable democrats will also all vote against any debt ceiling deal. That just leaves the Progressive Caucus (full of liberals in safe districts) to cast the remaining votes needed to pass a debt ceiling hike.