"You can't raise taxes on the job creators...you can't raise taxes on the job creators..."

[polichick]

Just heard a repeat of Big Eddie's show, when he sang that line as a hymn. Did you hear that? Laughed so hard I almost peed my pants.

Then he went on to say that, if you repeat something as if it's a sacred hymn, as if it's part of your religion, part of your soul, there will be enough DUMBSHIT AMERICANS who will buy it.

And THAT really is our biggest problem - how easy it is to con voters. And not just the cult-like followers on the other side. It's been far too easy to con Democratic voters too. Their politicians are bought and paid for, but so are many of ours.

Until the people refuse to be conned, nothing will change.

[eShirl]

1. was somebody creating jobs with their tax cuts?

I had no idea

[polichick]

2. Exactly, and even though people know on some level that no jobs were created...

...they buy the lines in the hymn.

[woo me with science]

5. Obviously they are still working on them.

Must take several coats of varnish.

[woolldog]

3. It would help if Obama

hadn't accepted the GOP frame of the debt and deficit being the main economic problem the country is facing.

[polichick]

4. Absolutely - Obama often plays the role of con-man-in-chief, when he should speak the truth.

[emulatorloo]

6. You realize he is pushing for Tax Hikes on the Rich and getting rid of bullshit loopholes

in the corporate tax code (corporate jets, etc etc etc)?

He pretty much has said this in every statement he's made about the debt ceiling talks.

That why the Republicans and their fellow travelers are HYSTERICALLY repeating the :you can't raise taxes on the Job Creators" mantra.

[polichick]

10. Problem is, he says one thing and does another.

[TomClash]

7. You can if they are not creating jobs! nt

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

15. perfect reply. just perfect. short and to the point

I hope every left bending cables news host is reading this, because that is all they need to say. Often and loudly.

[muffin1]

17. It really is perfect.

I scream that at the TV so often, I feel that it's my mantra at this point. Trouble is, I RARELY hear the 'liberal' pundits say it. It's total bullshit. They've had their cuts for ten frigging years - and hoarded them. And laid-off even more people, while taking bonuses. IT IS SICKENING.

[polmaven]

8. Well, of course you can't!

Just look at how many jobs the "job creators" created since 2001! ...Ummm>>> Oh, yeah....we keep losing jobs, huh? Ooops....gee.

But they're gonna start creating them any day now!

[lunatica]

11. Yeah but only if we give them more tax cuts!

How can we expect them to create jobs on such paltry tax cuts?

[bemildred]

9. The Hell we can't. nt

[noiretextatique]

12. as al franken asked the other day: where are all jobs?

from the bush tax cuts?

[jwirr]

13. Why not? The job creators have not been creating jobs for a long

time now.

[toddwv]

14. Well, then that shouldn't be a problem

since nobody seems to be creating jobs anymore...

[silverweb]

16. That's true.

And since it is the working and middle-class people of this country whose demand for goods and services creates jobs, there certainly should be no tax increases on them. After all, their income goes right back into the national economy and keeps the country working.

The very wealthy, however, do not create jobs and mostly just hoard their wealth, living off the unearned capital gains of their investments. They should have every dollar of their income taxed, most of which, unlike the rest of the population, they never even earned.

[Tennessee Gal]

18. Where are the jobs?

Tax cuts do not create jobs!!!!

[Dulcinea]

19. What job creators?

There is no will on the part of business or government to create jobs.

[quaker bill]

20. Nobody sets out to "create jobs"

People do go into business to "make money" and they expand businesses to "make money". Sometimes the path to "make money" requires "hiring people", sometimes it doesn't. Those occasions where the goal of "making money" involves "hiring people", new jobs can be a derivative result.

People who are motivated to "make more money" are generally folks who do not have as much money as they would prefer. If they are then convinced that "expanding business" or "going into business" is the best and easiest way to "make more money", this is what they will do. If on the other hand they are convinced that financial manipulation to get "capital gains" is easier, faster, and actually taxed at a far lower rate (more profitable), this is what they will do. They would be stupid to do otherwise.

The system, as currently set up by the tax code favors financial manipulation over "doing business" by 20 percent. Taxes on profits are 35% and taxes on capital gains are 15%. The stock market is not risk free, but niether is "going into business". People win and lose either way, but if you win in the stock market, you get to keep far more of your winnings, so winning is easier and the profitable victories can be much smaller. It also requires fewer hours in the day and far less effort.

We are getting the results we subsidize.

[LatteLibertine]

21. Correct

they are dodging taxes and "repatriating" money to pay dividends.

Bloomberg detailed how they play this game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

On top of that, many corporations are laying people off while increasing pay to executives.

You are viewed as unnecessary overhead.