Just vote for the GOP then....

[Splinter Cell]

I wish people would stop calling themselves democrats and spending all their time BITCHING about President Obama and everything he HASN'T done that they don't like. Or NEVER SAID HE'D DO that they imagined he promised them.

Just fucking vote for some right wing tyrant that will further destroy this country and everything you supposedly stand for, and shut up about it.

This forum has become clogged with people that somehow feel slighted every time Obama says or does anything. They believe he's always wrong, beyond the normal shortcomings of every leader.

They refuse to understand that there are two choice. TWO FUCKING CHOICES. The democrats that will get you as much of what you want as possible at the time....or the GOP, who wouldn't piss on anyone that isn't a millionaire. That's it. Make up your mind. Nothing else is relevant. No other parties matter.

It's normal to feel disappointed when things don't work just like we want them to. You can keep working for what you want, keeping voting for people that will continue to work to make things better(not perfect right now), or you can stay home and let the motherfuckers win. Make your choice.

[bemildred]

1. Now now, don't pout, it's unbecoming. nt

[shraby]

2. You know what?

You're right.

[Cleita]

3. Apparently we did vote for the GOP and didn't know it then,

That is what we are bitching about.

[vaberella]

6. Obviously---now you could vote for the worst of their kind & reinstate DADT.

Revoke ACA, Lily Ledbetter, The Matthew Shepard Act and so on. Because no self-respecting GOP hound would ever have done any of those things and other good things Obama did. Thanks for letting me know you're welcoming Bachmann 2012.

[Cleita]

9. I don't have to vote for anybody. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

18. Oh, you'll KNOW when the GOP is actually in power.

Remember Paul Ryan's budget?

The one that ACTUALLY WILL do away with Medicare and SS?

Wanna let him give it a try?

I wonder how much the GOP will do to advance human rights/equal rights. People seem to think they'll make as much progress as has been made the last two years, but let's try it and see!

[elocs]

21. I live in WI. I do know what it is like when the GOP is in power, at least on a statewide level,

and there is a lot that more immediately impacts my life on the state level compared to the federal level.

However, if the Republicans gain control nationally by taking the White House, holding the House, and gaining the Senate (not unlikely) then I'm sure they will follow the recent pattern of the GOP in Wisconsin and in other states and will move quickly to consolidate their power.

Oh, and I also don't believe in the Bachmann boogeyman that so many here use in an attempt to scare the kiddies to stay in line.

[muffin1]

4. I wish

that people would stop calling themselves "Democrats" while supporting decidedly UNdemocratic principles.

[polichick]

5. You're preaching the bullshit that has kept Dem voters in line for a long time...

It's not working so well anymore - and that's a good thing.

[vaberella]

7. Actually-what you would be suggesting is that Obama is in some way equal to a Repub.

That would be a bald face lie.

[polichick]

11. Where did I say that? What I object to is fearmongering in order to silence critics.

[Curmudgeoness]

14. Exactly. It is the GOP who pull that "you are unpatriotic" if

you say this or do this or don't pray or disagree or whatever they can come up with.

[CakeGrrl]

23. There is anything but silencing going on.

Haven't you been reading around the past few days? All the vitriol directed at the POTUS should be music to some "critics'" ears.

Where do you see fearmongering?

The prospect of a Republican in the White House with a Republican-controlled House and a split Senate at their disposal is not some fantasy concept, it's simply what's going to happen if a combination of people

1) Are gullible enough to either flat-out vote Republican again
2) Siphon votes from the Dem by sitting out or voting 3rd-party

Do tell if you think it's not going to come down to that in 2012.

I keep asking who else people think will swoop in and take the election if not Obama or his Republican opponent. I've received no response.

[polichick]

25. The op is all about fearmongering...

It's not enough to vote for somebody because they're not quite as horrible as the GOP - there's a third choice and that's for Dem voters to demand that their "leaders" stand up and fight for the Democratic principles stated in the platform, or get the hell out of the way.

[Generic Brad]

41. Get the hell out of the way for whom?

Is there some leader out there we don't know about who will come in and fix all of our problems for us? Just who could that possibly be?

[laugle]

10. Your absolutely

right! It took me decades to realize that the lesser of 2 evils thing isn't working, that's why we only have 2 viable parties. Sometimes it's important to make a statement, after all we lived through 8 yrs. of Bush and nothing could be worse than that!

Just once, it would be nice to elect someone based on principles' not on how much money they raise...........

'The more things change,the more they stay the same!'

[polichick]

13. True - voting the lesser of two evils keeps us from collapsing completely...

...but it's not the long-term answer.

[OwnedByFerrets]

37. +1

[patrice]

8. Re "two choices": Some of what is going on here is about base-building for a third choice.

It's unclear whether that's Libertarians or Greens or ___________________, but one thing does seem pretty clear. Without Campaign Finance and Electoral Reform, it's VERY likely to be "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" with different labels and rhetoric. I know the faction you are referring to will say something like, "Campaign Finance and Electoral Reform are never going to happen under the present system" but I do not accept their ability to use the word "never" so absolutely and if they destroy President Obama, I'd bet they will find that whatever "never" turns out to be, it's going to be waaaaaaaaaaay longer than that even before we stand a chance to move forward even a little bit on these issues.

[Curmudgeoness]

12. Since when is speaking out when you do not agree

the same as voting for the GOP? Our party, the Democrats, will continue to move to the right until we will have no difference and no options if we do not say what has to be said.

This is America, right? We do still have the rights to free speech and to petition our government, right? Or did I miss something?

[Me.]

15. And What I Wish Is That People Would Stop Insisting That Dems Fall Lockstep

Behind every bad policy the WH comes up with. We had quite enough of that with Rahm Emmanuel, thank you very much. Even Steve Israel knows that what's being suggested is not good for dems much less the country at large.

[JoePhilly]

16. Outrage sells around here.

That's the bottom line.

[Jakes Progress]

17. Don't like open forums i guess.

You know. A place where people can disagree with you.

You might want to start your own. Then you and the 7 or 8 here who clog the forum with their sycophancy could be the only ones allowed to post.

Want to stay here. Either learn to use "ignore" or put on your big boy pants.

By the way. It is against the rules of the forum to advocate for the election of non Democratic candidates over Democrats.

You have a very, very narrow concept of government and life if you see everything as having only two fucking choices. Get involved. Learn. Spend some time between elections exercising the thousand choices you can do to make things better.

[CakeGrrl]

19. Oops! You forgot the lay of the land:

It's OK to go on and on about how the President is the evillest evil that ever evilled, and he should be primaried posthaste, and that he's a weak jackass, etc., etc. yadda yadda yadda.

However, it's NOT OK to point out that that might be a tad excessive or to call people's bluff on threatening to primary. That's just stirring the hornet's nest.

:crazy:

[polmaven]

29. I couldn't agree more....

In this thread alone, I'm seeing post after "How DARE you disagree with me??"". I would say more, but it would likely give me some trouble, so I won't.

[HockeyMom]

20. As much as I am disappointed in Obama,

he is still LIGHT YEARS ahead of any REPUBLICAN. Romney, Backman, Palin, et all? You must be kidding?

Maybe what we need is somebody on this side challenging him. I will admit if Bernie Sanders ran against Obama, I most certainly would vote for him.

[Palmer Eldritch]

22. Tell it like it is.

[Ozymanithrax]

24. Criticizing the government isn't BITCHING...

if we don't like policies, then it should be irrelevant which side is trying to enact those policies. If you like a policy, you should try to explain to people why it is a good policy.

The parties will do what they damn will please if we the people just be good little voters and fall behind the party line.

[polmaven]

30. What has been going on here this week

goes waaaay beyond criticizing!

[Politicalboi]

26. I support the President

But if his staffers read DU maybe we can scare them a bit. Let them know what we support and don't support.

[blkmusclmachine]

27. Clap louder, dammit!

Or you'll get President Bachmann.

[EC]

28. + 1,000,000..

it does make me wonder if there are people here now that really are not Dems and are trying to make more of us stay home. The repubs are using every method available to lower the Dem vote. I just found out this morning that Kenosha (Paul Ryan's district and mine) is now losing 2 of our Dem state people, through redistricting because too many stayed home in 2010 and now we have a repub majority drawing the damn maps. If this redistricting goes through, I now have no representation in the State or Federal congresses. And now with voter ID here too, I'm scared that Dems will not be elected here ever again. That makes me scared for my daughter's future and health. They are already destroying the environment, which will affect our health. They are already monkeying around with the money systems, meaning we'll always be scammed and broke. I'll just say, I have never trusted any pol, but I know the difference between the mind sets of a Dem and a repub...Obama is a Dem and just like so many Dem's fold because of fair play and manners...we do it every time and then feel screwed.

[ChrisBorg]

31. Back in line sheeple....I get it.

[Pisces]

32. We get you too.

[ChrisBorg]

34. I get you also, I simply don't agree with you.

Imply all you like, but you are the fishy one.

[Kingofalldems]

43. How many times have you been here now?

What is it 10, 20?

[muffin1]

33. +1

:thumbsup:

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Being a Democrat is about principles, not presons.

Servile tripe.

[Logical]

36. So you are like Bush? We are either with Obama or against Obama? LOL...classic! n-t

[21st Century FDR]

38. Sorry, I'm through voting for Republicans

And by that, I mean the ones with the stupid Target logo ripoff "D" next to their names.

I vote for DEMOCRATS. And that means by action, not by name.

[boxman15]

39. [phone]

Here's what happen if we sit on our asses all day and complain nonstop: We'd get a Teabagger White House, a ridiculously conservative Congress, a divided Democratic Party, a Supreme Court that leans heavily to the right, a quick dismantling of any social safety nets and regulations we have in place, and more.

And don't give me any of this "Obama is a stealth Republican" crap. The reason Obama is in this position is because progressives decided to stay home in 2010 and let Teabaggers control the House and weaken the Dem majority in the Senate, because we weren't able to have everything passed in 2009-2010 that we wanted to (and btw, the huge majorities were only an illusion, with the Blue Dogs and people like Lieberman).

If you want liberal legislation passed, FILL CONGRESS WITH LIBERALS. That's the only way. Not Conservadems, not Republicans. Congress is where laws are made. If we stop whining and trying to divide ourselves (and really, 80% of liberals approve of Obama, so it's really just a vocal minority), and rally together and get people to vote out Republicans and put in liberals, we can get true progress.

Otherwise, we're gonna be stuck with the same old, same old: if we re-elect Obama, but with a divided or Republican Congress, that means more compromise, more moderate at best legislation. If we let Obama be a one-termer, get ready for the dismantling of what made America great.

But, if we rally together and get liberals in Congress, we can get liberal legislation. Or we can whine all day and dream about things that are completely unrealistic. Obama has not been perfect, far from it, but he can only do so much. We can make what passes in Washington more progressive by filling Congress with liberals and re-electing Obama. That's our only shot. Anything else is either a pipe dream or a complete disaster.

Being realistic is the one thing we have over the right. But, apparently, pragmatism and living in reality are too much for some. The biggest problem with Washington is Congress. We can change that. Or we can whine, divide ourselves, and let the Teapublicans take over and destroy America as we know it. It's up to us.

[awoke_in_2003]

40. we are presented with two choices...

a bad choice and a worse choice- all because we absolutely refuse to hold our politicians accountable. When your party keeps bending over for the other party, there are going to be people who say something about it.

[Union Scribe]

42. This is such a fucking playground argument.

It tells me a lot about the maturity of the people who a. keep repeating it and b. think it's at all convincing, appealing, or intelligent.

[Iggo]

44. Siss boom bah!