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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:30 PM
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GOP Source: Obama "Demanding major, unambiguous tax hikes."
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 08:31 PM by liberalpragmatist
This is from RW blogger James Pethokoukis, who prior to reporting Boehner pulling out of talks reported inside reports from Republican aides.

Two reasons I'm posting this: One, it's good news that the WH was really pushing for tax hikes on the wealthy. Two, whatever your views on Obama's actions in all this (I think plenty of the criticism is justified, personally), it's always useful to get some perspective. On the left - not just the "professional left" but among mainstream progressive punditry, Obama is being called "weak," and a "capitulator." If you peer into discussion on the other side of the aisle it's exactly the opposite: Obama as an intransigent, stubborn, but nefariously crafty, "insisting" on tax hikes, etc. May not change your views at all, but it's worth a look.

Anyway, here's what Pethokoukis reported:

Will House Speaker John Boehner commit Republicans to raising $1 trillion in taxes as part of President Obama’s last-minute push for as much as a $4 trillion debt reduction deal? Obama and the GOP meet Sunday evening, but things continue to develop quickly:

1) Various news accounts Saturday morning made it sound as if Boehner was flirting with some convoluted deal where some taxes would be raised – including the high-end Bush tax cuts – but lowered later as part of major tax reform, with maybe some of the savings from fewer deduction going to reduce debt.

2) Then on Larry Kudlow’s radio show this afternoon, the WSJ’s Steve Moore said his paper’s reporting was accurate and the GOP were being “tempted” by this offer.

3) Then I got this from a GOP congressional source later in the afternoon:

WH is demanding major, unambiguous tax hikes. To get spending caps & entitlement tweaks, greater economic pain appears to be the WH’s asking price. It is increasingly likely that we aren’t going to see a ‘big’ deal if the WH doesn’t budge. Speaker looks to be holding strong. …

Their fierce insistence on higher taxes is beyond bizarre.

After months of demanding ‘clean’ increase to avert economic calamity (default), WH threatens economic calamity (default) unless they get economic calamity (trillions in tax hikes). (NOTE from me: Yes, of course, it's the Democrats who are risking economic calamity. Right.) No wonder these guys are governing over an economic calamity (9.2% & growth malaise), w an economic calamity on the horizon (debt explosion as mapped out in president’s budget).

Appears that the basic framework for future tax reform could not be resolved.

The bipartisan consensus on tax reform (broader base & lower rates) was championed by President’s fiscal commission, and yet now is being rebuked by the President. Lowering top rates that would help make America more competitive was too large a leap for a true class warrior.

That Team Obama wants higher higher taxes is not news. But the growing GOP allergic reaction is. I think these comments gives good insight into how the GOP perceives the evolving deal. And I hope that second part is true. Tax reform should only be done in the context of lowering marginal tax rates, especially if Democrats aren’t offering entitlement reform that would move things toward a more market-based system such as the one outlined in Rep. Paul Ryan’s bold and visionary Path to Prosperity.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:34 PM
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1. When is Obama going to speak? When is he going to tell the country what's going on? nt
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:42 PM
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3. Here's a link
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:52 PM
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4. The majority of seniors are living very difficult lives and can't afford these cuts
He needs to say that Medicare and SS are OFF the table.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:57 PM
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5. The majority of people are living very difficult lives.
That doesn't mean Medicare and SS are currently perfect, and can't be improved to reduce fraud and waste.

Hell, the fraud is so rampant that there are TV ads for "free" devices, paid for by Medicare, to scooter companies and chair-lift companies.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:01 PM
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7. You are 100% correct. n/t
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:15 PM
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9. So when is he going to tell us what he is asking for. Why is it only in secret meetings.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:58 PM
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11. There are daily briefings being held.
The words being used are picked apart in absurd ways.

A recent exchange involved pedantry about "slash" vs. "cut", which gives an idea about how much hair-splitting the media is engaging in....

As a demonstration:
slash
cut
trim
tune
streamline
strengthen
reduce
improve
solidify

These are the words being bandied about.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:04 PM
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13. Fraud is already being tackled. Before I moved from Miami, there had been a huge...
sting in which Medicare fraud criminals were rounded and arrested.

And let us not forget that the governor of Florida, Rick Scott, is the biggest Medicare and Medicaid scam thief and criminal, and yet the asshole (pardon the French) is running loose and governor of a state. There is no shame in this country and people are F nuts to elect a criminal as a governor.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:53 PM
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14. Fraud is being attacked.
Your story tells us it's that we need to do more.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:34 AM
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16. Yep. We need to continue to attack fraud in Medicare, not modify Medicare itself.
We need to do away with other programs, programs that do not affect the least, the most helpless, or those who can't help themselves.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:07 PM
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8. Yes he should
so easy to do, if you mean it.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:27 PM
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12. Wishy washy politicalese.
Who determines fair share. Taking money from poor people who can't afford medicine and food isn't balanced by whacking a few percent of the yacht tax.

Go back to the tax levels that WH hero, ronnie, left in place when he finally was put out to pasture.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:19 PM
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20. Obama has spoken. The question is....do you want Obama to speak when he has something.
or tell you again that talks are underway and he's again being stonewalled by Republicans. He said that last week twice.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:38 PM
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2. Ryan’s bold and visionary Path to Prosperity. Pffffft
I got a bold an visionary path for Paul Ryan.

Send the mofo to Mars. One way trip, all expenses paid.

But all in all, it is good that Ryan's groupies realize raising their taxes is gonna happen. They are seeing they will have to make some sacrifices. Oh, they'll whine and moan, but they know they're gonna get their sorry asses whooped.
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Palmer Eldritch Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:00 PM
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6. and Obama will get them, too. Boehner will cave. The GOP will erupt in flames.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:49 PM
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10. I've never taken a dime for either my opinions or efforts,
so I guess that puts me in the UN-"Professional Left" category. IMO, Obama has accomplished MUCH despite skimpy if not unfavorable hands. I'm fully with him, and so should ALL true4 progressives!
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:32 PM
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17. same - right here! Obama is still the best political chess player, and
the key political leader who is truly trying to solve issues for the common good of all americans ... I thank the universe each and every day that Obama has such fortitude of character and spirit that he gets up every morning knowing about the carnival barkers and the professional obstructionists, and STILL puts his shoulder to the huge wheel of our current conditions ... this whole Repug debt drama is starting to look a lot like their side is the emperor wears no clothes, and the President (via the 2 Congressional Chambers) mayend up being justified to pull the 14th amendment card re: debt ceiling at the last minute to save us from the cliff, AND THEN there will be hell to pay by the exposed Republicans
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 01:17 AM
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15. The comments are interesting but
... I'm not sure they really think that way. If it's true it explains their insanity a bit. Maybe it's just tough for them to keep up with Obama, they cannot think that fast, so they fear he'll pull a fast one.




>>>on the other side of the aisle it's exactly the opposite: Obama as an intransigent, stubborn, but nefariously crafty, "insisting" on tax hikes, etc.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:15 PM
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18. GOP: Higher taxes kill economic growth. High deficit kills economic growth.
They apparently believe they can back the President into a corner by presenting these two arguments simultaneously. However, I don't think anybody is drinking their Koolaid about preventing tax increases taxes on the wealthy. Even Candy Crawley on CNN today was pushing back on this ridiculous idea from Republicans that lots of small businesses would be hurt by tax increases on individuals. Few small businesses file taxes in that way.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:03 PM
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19. Oh my, he's doing it again!
I've been crowing all year about how President Obama painted the GOP into a corner on the tax cut compromise, set them up for an election rout over it, and placed an extension completely out of reach of them ever again.

But talk about a fellow committed to a goal, the President appears to be angling for an early tax increase.

He's actually offering the Republicans a way out of their election trap: if they roll over for a tax increase now, they actually have a chance in the next election.

If they don't, the entire issue is going to be presented as the Republicans holding the solvency of the nation hostage in return for continued largesse for the ultra-wealthy--a second nail in the coffin come the next election, especially in the House.

As I have explained previously, a default can and should trigger all sorts of creepy emergency powers that the President can exercise unilaterally and without oversight, powers of which the Republicans should be soberly aware, since they bequeathed them upon President Obama's predecessor in the White House. So whatever their public posture is, they're actually in a terrible negotiating position behind closed doors. They have to reach a deal, or the President gets a Shaft-level upgrade in political power and authority. Worse, he gets the chance to get a whole lot of shit done without any Congressional delay or even oversight.

Now watch the Republicans start tossing everything except the tax cuts overboard. They'll give away everything else if the President can make them believe he's not going to move on this.

Once again, the President appears to have found a way to turn the issue on the pivot of Republican greed.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:27 PM
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21. K&R, even though...
you wrote "Boehner" and "pulling out" in the same sentence.

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