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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:55 AM
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President Obama: "...I think the American people agree with me on that."
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Q Thank you, Mr. President. You keep talking about balance, shared sacrifice, but in the $4 trillion deal that you’re talking about roughly, it seems to be now at about four-to-one spending to taxes; we’re talking about $800 billion in taxes, roughly. That doesn’t seem very fair to some Democrats. I’m wondering if you could clarify why we’re at that level. And also, if you could clarify your Social Security position -- would any of the money from Social Security, even from just Chained CPI, go toward the deficit as opposed to back into the trust fund?

THE PRESIDENT: With respect to Social Security, Social Security is not the source of our deficit problems. Social Security, if it is part of a package, would be an issue of how do we make sure Social Security extends its life and is strengthened? So the reason to do Social Security is to strengthen Social Security to make sure that those benefits are there for seniors in the out-years. And the reason to include that potentially in this package is if you’re going to take a bunch of tough votes, you might as well do it now, as opposed to trying to muster up the political will to get something done further down in the future.

With respect to a balanced package, is the package that we’re talking about exactly what I would want? No. I might want more revenues and fewer cuts to programs that benefit middle-class families that are trying to send their kids to college, or benefit all of us because we’re investing more in medical research.

So I make no claims that somehow the position that Speaker Boehner and I discussed reflects 100 percent of what I want. But that's the point. My point is, is that I’m willing to move in their direction in order to get something done. And that's what compromise entails. We have a system of government in which everybody has got to give a little bit.

Now, what I will say is, is that the revenue components that we’ve discussed would be significant and would target folks who can most afford it. And if we don't do any revenue -- because you may hear the argument that why not just go ahead and do all the cuts and we can debate the revenue issues in the election -- right? You’ll hear that from some Republicans. The problem is, is that if you don't do the revenues, then to get the same amount of savings you’ve got to have more cuts, which means that it’s seniors, or it’s poor kids, or it’s medical researchers, or it’s our infrastructure that suffers.

And I do not want, and I will not accept, a deal in which I am asked to do nothing, in fact, I’m able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don’t need, while a parent out there who is struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds that they’ve got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans.

That’s what the revenue debate is about. It’s not because I want to raise revenues for the sake of raising revenues, or I’ve got some grand ambition to create a bigger government. It’s because if we’re going to actually solve the problem, there are a finite number of ways to do it. And if you don’t have revenues, it means you are putting more of a burden on the people who can least afford it. And that’s not fair. And I think the American people agree with me on that.

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Of all the President's responses yesterday, this one got the least attention.



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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:56 AM
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1. K & R. n/t
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:01 AM
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2. I heard that too - where is the media
forget the MAJORITY of Tax Paying Americans want more revenue and less cuts
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Jazz Ambassador Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:10 AM
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3. He buried the lead
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 11:11 AM by Jazz Ambassador
That last paragraph should have been teh first thing he said. And he should have said it 3-5 times before he was through. And he should be repeating it every day.

(I actually just posted about that here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x708468)

He needs to go back at review how he came at Paul Ryan in the Georgetown speech. He still needs to learn how to come out swinging.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:29 AM
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10. Doesn't matter
which part of the comment you consider the lede, the whole thing is going to be ignored by those who don't like to acknowledge that the President makes these kinds of comments.

:)

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:11 AM
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4. So why is it part of the conversation?
If SS isn't part of the "deficit problem" then why are we talking about it at all right now in the middle of a deficit reduction exercise? What is this about "a bunch of tough votes"? There's gonna be basically one "tough vote" to extend the debt limit. If all he's going to do is "strengthen" SS, where is the "tough" in that vote? There might be a "tough vote" on eliminating the Bush tax cuts, and possibly restructring the tax code, but again, what does that have to do with SS? It would seem the only ones who actually wants to include SS in this current exercise are people interested in cutting it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:28 AM
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9. I think it's in the conversation to prove to the public that in spite
of putting all sacred cows on the table, the republicans have clearly shown the american people that the only thing they care about is the wealthy and if devastating consequences arise as a result of not raising the debt ceiling (which I know everybody thinks is a farce)then it will be on the hands of the republicans.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:31 AM
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14. So then the only TRULY sacred cow remaining is Debt Reduction?
Is EVERYONE a Tea Partier now?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:34 AM
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19. What? n/t
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:39 AM
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26. If all of the sacred cows are on the table in service of Debt Reduction
then Debt Reduction is the only remaining sacred cow.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:45 AM
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28. As he emphasized yesterday, SS is not the cause of the debt
and I don't think it's serving as a "debt solution." It IS, however, serving to prove something to the people about the GOP.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:13 AM
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5. What does this even mean?
"With respect to Social Security, Social Security is not the source of our deficit problems. Social Security, if it is part of a package, would be an issue of how do we make sure Social Security extends its life and is strengthened? So the reason to do Social Security is to strengthen Social Security to make sure that those benefits are there for seniors in the out-years. And the reason to include that potentially in this package is if you’re going to take a bunch of tough votes, you might as well do it now, as opposed to trying to muster up the political will to get something done further down in the future."

It's cryptic, vague, uninformative. There are no policy positions in this statement at all.

"DO" Social Security
"STRENGTHEN" Social Security

What does that mean? Does anyone have any idea what policies the President is proposing?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:16 AM
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6. I understood it.
Nothing "cryptic" about English.

"Does anyone have any idea what policies the President is proposing?"

The actual deal hasn't been announced.

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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:22 AM
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7. Nothing "cryptic" about English?
Do you even know the meaning of the word "cryptic"?

So, there's this big deal that's being negotiated IN SECRET, without public debate or input, to DO and STRENGTHEN Social Security.

<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cryptic>

Definition of Cryptic

1. secret, occult
2a. Having or seeming to have a hidden or ambiguous meaning
2b. Marked by an often perplexing brevity
3. Serving to conceal
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:26 AM
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8. Hmmm?
"So, there's this big deal that's being negotiated IN SECRET, without public debate or input, to DO and STRENGTHEN Social Security."

Yeah, remember when all negotiations between the President and Congress were held on C-Span?

Oh brother.


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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:30 AM
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11. I remember when public policies were debated on the floor of the Congress, yeah!
What we have here is a cabal getting together to decide what will be done.

Res publica - a Public Matter.

It's DISGUSTING how supposed Democrats are defending the currently blatant oligarchic nature of the government!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:33 AM
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17. Wait
you remember when Presidents debated policy on the floor of Congress?

Really?

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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:37 AM
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22. Where did I say that?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:31 AM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:35 AM
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20. Yeah,
and then he likely discovered all the predators out there and decided to be more transparent that other Presidents, but not be stupid about it by negotiating on TV.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:38 AM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:39 AM
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25. "your 'leader'"?
I detect serious issues!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:40 AM
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:32 AM
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16. It's all about shared sacrifice: those who have received the most governmental largess since the
gipper's revolution stepping up to the plate and bearing an equitable share of burden to fund the government's operation and meet its financial and other obligations: it's all about those who have most of the money and wealth coming to the aid of their country. ;) :patriot:
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:30 AM
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12. "So the reason to do Social Security is to strengthen Social Security" Nuff said.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:32 AM
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15. "strengthen" how, exactly?
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:34 AM
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18. Code for "cut" .
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:36 AM
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21. How about "raise the age of eligibility" or "reduce payments"
over time.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:38 AM
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23. That's a cut.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:49 AM
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29. That depends on one's perspective. SS is already graduated.
People ARE living longer and most can't live on SS benefits alone, so they're still working anyway. Essentially, it really doesn't matter, imo. What matters to me, moreso, is a payment reduction which is predicted to be 77% by 2035 or 36.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:13 PM
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30. SOME people are living "longer"
Those on the lower economic levels aren't seeing the same increases in life expectency, especially in a "productive" sense that those in the higher income/wealth brackets are.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:18 PM
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31. Even so, a large percentage are not waiting to apply for "full"
benefits and are opting to collect much earlier and supplement that income with a job.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:44 PM
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32. Do the math, you will too
There is little long term benefit to waiting. You have to presume that you'll live pretty long to decide to wait. You also have to assume that the feds won't cut benefits prior to you collecting.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:50 PM
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33. Exactly!! n/t
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:29 PM
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35. Wrong in general. I just did the Math, based on the figures in my annual SS report.
I just turned 62. If I wait until my normal retirement age, it will take almost exactly seven years until I have collected the same amount I would have collected if I had started now. After age 73 I would be collecting about $4000 more per year if I started collecting at 66 rather than 62.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:33 AM
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36. Which presumes
So you are working on the presumptions that:
1) you'll live past 73
2) The calculations won't change over the next 11 years.
3) There are no componding "gains" to be made by getting the money early (through investment of the money over those 7 years). Until lately, most investment counselors would have told you that modest investment of that money over that 7 years could result in 30 - 50% returns. (These days I suspect they'd lower that significantly).

There are "retirement curves" that have been put out in my company (largish 90K plus employee company). The longer you wait to retire, the shorter you live. (Yes there is a fair amount of scatter in the data). But generally, waiting until after 57 - 60 to retire will apparently shorten the amount of time that you will collect retirement. And waiting until 66 to retire can result in months, not years, worth of retirement collection.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:49 PM
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34. Until he ends some wars - I will never believe he is serious
END THE FUCKING WARS IF WE NEED MONEY THAT BAD!!!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 11:02 AM
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37. .
:cry:
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:09 PM
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39. +1,000,000,000!!!! n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:08 PM
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38. The least attention, indeed! Why? Around these parts DUers too obsessed with targeting
the president and screaming that he's not making use of the "bully pulpit" effectively, when there is ample proof that he is, but that Corporate Media is REFUSING to air any of it.
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