Isn't the idea that a man is suppose to be attracted to a woman's breasts

[LiberalFighter]

a caveman attitude?

If the breasts of women are such an important part in the belief of religion then why don't they encourage via law that women should show their breasts in public and get the machismo of men going?

Geesh! That reparative therapy at Marcus's Clinic is nuts!

[Drale]

1. um well ahhhhhhhh

This is a strange post, I don't know what to say.

[LiberalFighter]

2. It is the story on Michelle Bachman and her husband's clinic.

[PCIntern]

3. Well, the thread is useless withour pictures....n/t

[elleng]

7. Like this????

[Arkana]

60. She looks terrible.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

64. She is terrible.

I have never understood how some people thought she was hot. That voice was taped and used as the source for That Hideous Sound.

[elleng]

68. yea

[Tx4obama]

4. The fuction of women's breasts is to FEED BABIES, that's all :)

That idiot counselor at Bachmann's clinic needs to have his license revoked!

[golfguru]

9. U R correct! and those men who have a fetish for female breasts

have simply not grown past childhood and I mean under age of 24 months. Female breasts are not a sexual organ.

[panader0]

13. And the only function of intercourse is to make babies right?

I mean, you never did it just for fun?

[FrodosPet]

14. Lightening the mood a bit

This thread need some Holy Modal Rounders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0WOD9yw0E

[cliffordu]

34. That's funny - My girlfriend says her breasts are very much

part of a satisfying sexual encounter.

I have to agree.

So: Secondary sexual organs???

Girlfriends' little helpers???

[PCIntern]

58. She said the same thing to me...

so it must be true!

:hi:

[cliffordu]

59. She says you weren't anything like you promised.

Legend in your own mind and stuff.....

:rofl:

[golfguru]

69. Secondary yes, primary no!

None of my female sex partners ever reached an orgasm by any manipulation of breasts. Whereas 100% success with clitoral manipulation, made by any means...penis, fingers, mouth, etc. Proves my hypothesis. But all this is purely anecdotal, your experience could be different, and I can understand that.

[tekisui]

38. That's not what any of the women I know have ever said.

[slackmaster]

48. When I was about 20, one of my gay male friends who had recently come out got very upset at me...

...for suggesting that the only function of the anus was defecation.

[Lance_Boyle]

36. The physical function, yes.

I ran across a theory years ago - dunno if it's since been discredited - that men are attracted to breasts because they mimic the physical appearance of buttocks (think doggie (nee caveman) style).

[Doctor Hurt]

41. debatable

it's been argued that the breasts have a secondary function to signal sexual receptiveness (because the normal signal, swollen genitals, has been concealed by our erect posture). It is argued that the breasts are maintained all the time (rather than simply after birth) to indicate that human females are sexual receptive at any time (rather than simply during a brief period in which they are "in heat").

Whether or not this is correct, it's an hypothesis that's out there with a large number of advocates.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. only in American culture are breasts seen as sexual objects ...most other cultures are ass men.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

65. Very untrue

You sound as though you've never traveled out of this country

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[Bluenorthwest]

6. This is the same stuff Obama surrogate McClurkin is into

the 'ex gay industry'. This, now that you are looking, is why the community was so furious about McClurkin. Many on DU defended this stuff under McClurkin's name. Many.

[cliffordu]

33. Obama surrogate? Really?

You are usually smarter than this.

Really.

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[Drale]

11. She's hawt lol but

being "into" breasts is no difference then people who like feet or asses or anything else. We all have things that "turn us on" and things that don't and unless its something like children, I don't think you should judge people on what they like sexually.

[Pharaoh]

12. Christ they walk around topless

in France and other parts of the world. This country is perverse in calling the human form obscene.

[Arugula Latte]

27. There was a recent Lounge thread about how to stop women from breastfeeding in public.

Yes it started out facetious but the outraged anti-publics chimed right in. I mean, seriously, this is what they get worked up about? A bare booby and a baby attached? :eyes:

[buddysmellgood]

15. Who doesn't like breasts? Very few people don't like breasts.

[comtec]

16. Misanderist feminists mostly

I have a couple ex girlfriends who would disagree with many of the puritanical posts here.

IMHO when women stop using their tits as weapons (or traps in the case of small breasted women) we'll stop treating them as very pleasant to look at when bared or generously uncovered.

My exwife has a bigger breast fetish than I do!

[buddysmellgood]

18. My wife got a boob job. It wasn't my idea. I actually tried to talk her out of it.

After two kids she felt they needed help. But she got em done and they do look great. But she did not get them for me.

[comtec]

21. I did manage to talk mine out of it

but I wonder if I should have let her.
Women see their breasts like we see out penis'....always room for improvement.
bigger isn't always better, smaller isn't always bad!

Sadly I doubt either side will stop criticizing what they have, or lack of same.
it's human nature.

[PassingFair]

70. Some of us see ourselves as complete human beings.

Women who fixate on their breasts, and men
who fixate on their penises (peni?) need to
develop self esteem and acceptance.

[Armstead]

17. Well, I'll fess up.....I'm attracted to women;s breasts. But I did criunge when I saw that.

I can picture Dr. Bachmann strapping some poor guy to a chair and giving himn the Clockwork Orange treatment, showing films of various body parts and shocking the victim, er, patienmt whenever many parts were shown and easing it up with women's parts.

But it is also weird how the same fundys that rage against any expression of sexual reality in most situations getting so lascivious in those repair sessions.

It's just too creepy.

[Odin2005]

19. Actually No, it is a very socially conditioned Western attitude.

In many pre-modern cultures, especially those in tropical climates where it is common for women to go around bare-breasted, breasts are not considered sexual. The main things that are universally regarded as being sexually attractive in women is an hour-glass waist and a symmetric face with good complexion.

[comtec]

22. Good hips are worth her weight in gold!

breasts feed babies, but hips make sure they arrive!
and that's why a "nice ass" is always better than a "nice rack", according to the lizard brain anyway.

I like geeky gals. Thats the most important thing for me, is a good soul and a appreciation for sci fi and nerdy stuff. the rest is frosting.

[scheming daemons]

24. that is what every woman with small breasts says

[slackmaster]

26. Please provide a link to a verifiable source to back that up

It doesn't jibe with what I learned way back in the 1970s in my undergraduate days.

[kwassa]

20. The attraction of men to womens' breasts is probably hard-wired.

It really isn't up for debate. It is a truism, and logic need not apply.

I don't know where the breasts of women are an important part of the belief of religion, whatever that means.

Except in the area of prehistoric Venus figurines, of course, back in those cavemen days.

[Odin2005]

23. See my post above.

[slackmaster]

25. No, it's hard-wired in most men

Proved repeatedly by actual scientific research.

[robcon]

28. Breasts are sexual parts. Can be aroused in women. Attractive to men.

Hard-wired is an understatement.

[cliffordu]

35. A win-win in every sense of the phrase.

[PassingFair]

71. +1

Breasts play a HUGE (!) part in sexual arousal in women.

I say this because I have had MUCH experience with this,
as a woman!

Men know we are turned on by contact with our erectile tissues,
and THAT is why "breast parts" are sexual.

[polmaven]

32. I don't believe

it is "hard wired" at all. It is taught to them by their male mentors. It is, in my opinion, simply another way to demean women.

[slackmaster]

37. My father died when I was very young. I was without a male mentor when I became aware of it.

YMMV

It is, in my opinion, simply another way to demean women.

You believe that being attracted to women demeans them?

:crazy:

[polmaven]

39. It demeans us if

the reason you are attracted to us is a physical one only. Women are real people, you know. Not just boobs and ass. We actually have brains and are able to THINK!

A woman's breasts are as they are for one reason only, and that is to feed babies. Not to be ogled by men. If a man still feels the need to suckle at mommy's breast, he needs to grow up and become an adult.

[cliffordu]

42. LOL.

Sorry. I know every woman I have ever loved had brains way before I "suckled mommies' breasts"

Your claim that the ONLY reason breasts are there is to suckle infants is kinda not really true.......

Or they would not respond during sex more than, say, than your average nostril.

We watch romantic movies and my girlfriend's nipples respond immediately to the romantic parts.

Mine, not so much.

[slackmaster]

45. What you are suggesting is that mens' attraction to breasts is some kind of "learned" behavior

Which is exactly how some (ignorant, homophobic IMO) conservatives I know describe the attraction that some adolescent boys feel toward adult men - Boys that grow up to be gay or bisexual men, with the corollary that homosexual orientation is the result of deliberate indoctrination.

Either you and they are all right, which I doubt very much, or you are all wrong.

A woman's breasts are as they are for one reason only, and that is to feed babies.

Many painters and sculptors have used the breasts of real or imaginary women as subjects in highly compelling works of fine art, as well as porn. I suspect that you have never had the experience of viewing a woman's breasts through the eyes and brain of a heterosexual man.

Just a suspicion.

[polmaven]

49. What you are suggesting here

is absolutely insulting. You are, basically, calling me homophobic. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION between what I said and what homophobes say about gay males. The fact that heterosexual males have been brought up to see a woman's breasts as sexual organs IS learned behavior. It has nothing whatsoever to do with a child's sexuality.

The fact that many painters and sculptors have used women's breasts as subjects is relevant how? I'm not saying this is a new phenomenon....just a sexist one.

[ieoeja]

50. You say sexual attraction (to breasts) is learned behavior. For that to be true,

sexual attraction can be a learned behavior.

And *that* is the central tenent to arguments used by anti-gay bigots. No one is claiming that you are an anti-gay bigot. I imagine most anti-gay bigots believe the world is round(ish). You can certainly agree with them on a point, even one they use for anti-gay bigotry, without agreeing with their bigotry.

[polmaven]

52. sexuality and "sexual attraction" to a woman's breasts

are two very different things. And yes - the poster did indeed imply that I am a bigot. Read the post again.

[ieoeja]

53. When we argue that sexuality is not learned ...

... we challenge the bigots with, "what kind of man turns you on?"

Sexuality is defined by sexual attraction. If you are almost exclusively sexually attracted to people of the same gender, you are gay. If you never, ever act upon that attraction, you are still gay.

[polmaven]

55. You really cannot see

the difference between what you just described, and what I have been arguing about the intended function of women's breasts? Really?

I will say it one more time....women's breasts are meant to feed babies....they are not meant to be sexual organs.

As it has been pointed out in other posts in this thread, they are not considered to be sexual organs in many, many other parts of the world.

That is very different from either heterosexuality or homosexuality. Sexual "attraction" to particular body parts is not anywhere near "what KIND of man turns you on?"

I am done with this conversation.

[slackmaster]

57. The fact that most men are sexually aroused by womens' breasts is stong evidence...

...that they serve another function besides feeding infants.

I am done with this conversation.

You can't face the obvious contradictions in your positions, I believe.

[DeschutesRiver]

73. Some women's nipples get hard/erect during sexual arousal - why, if breasts are only meant to feed

babies, would a nipple would react to anything other than feeding an offspring? Esp. to a sexual stimulus?

If that reaction during arousal isn't one of a sexual nature, what is it?

[slackmaster]

56. Is sexual attraction to a woman's breasts different from sexual attraction to a "buff" male body?

Or some particular part thereof?

How so?

Does a person's face serve any function other than acting as a place for the eyes, nose, and mouth to reside? (Obviously it does, as facial expressions communicate all kinds of things.)

And yes - the poster did indeed imply that I am a bigot.

No, my post to which you refer here implies that your positions are inconsistent. You do have a bias.

- A male being attracted to another male serves no reproductive function, and some people say that homosexuality is learned (rather than innate) behavior on that basis.

- A man being attracted by the sight of a woman's breasts doesn't serve to feed an infant, and that's the basis of your claim that it is learned behavior.

There is a very close parallel between the two ideas, and I say they're both nonsense.

[slackmaster]

54. No, I am not suggesting that you are homophobic. I'm quite sure you are not.

The fact that heterosexual males have been brought up to see a woman's breasts as sexual organs IS learned behavior. It has nothing whatsoever to do with a child's sexuality.

Grammar problems in your first sentence notwithstanding, that statement is a classic example of Ipse Dixit and an appeal to "isness." You are claiming to be an authority on the subject but have no credentials. Because you aren't even a man, IMO your opinion carries very little weight because you aren't privy to our sensations.

Let's see some scientific stuff to back up your opinion.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

66. I never suspected. Wow, learn something every day

I best throw out all those photos I took in art class

[svpadgham]

67. Assuming you like men...

when you have sex do you prefer your partner to tell you how turned on he is by your IQ or that he loves your tits?

[PassingFair]

72. Both, unless you're a moron.

And if you actually USE the word "tits", there
won't be a repeat performance.

Classy!

[Maine-ah]

29. you can be topless in Maine

[MilesColtrane]

30. Then dress me in leopard skin and call me Oog, because I like them.

But, even the nicest baby feeders can't compensate for a woman who votes Republican.

[ahg]

31. Breasts are like electric train sets....

They are for the children but the fathers play with them more.

[mkultra]

40. I am attracted to women's breasts

but i have no idea what we are talking about here. Honestly i think its just evolutionary. Instincts drive us to pick a suitable mate.

[polmaven]

44. And, for you,

a "suitable" mate is one with good looking breasts? Any woman with small breasts is out of the question? What if she loses one to cancer? Is she still
"suitable", or would you have to put her out?

I mean...do you hear what you are saying? Really?

[totodeinhere]

46. The poster can speak for himself. But IMO it's up to each and everyone of us to decide for

ourselves who a "suitable mate" might or might not be. Myself I like attractive intelligent women. That's just me and I make no apologies for it. Someone else might have other criteria and that's fine because it's up to them. But having said that, if my future wife had a mastectomy then of course I would still love her and stand by her. It's insulting to suggest otherwise.

[mkultra]

63. i think that was the point of the post

It was simply meant to be insulting as retribution for having an opinion which the party disagreed with. I like intelligent women as well.

[slackmaster]

47. The Astute Reader(TM) will note that mkultra's post said nothing about size of breasts whatsoever

;-)

[mkultra]

61. Well, ill try to answer each question with intellectual honesty

Despite the spirit in which these questions where asked. Suitable, in this case, is a culmination of instinctual and social elements that culminate into a high enough degree to generate appeal for the viewer. In this case, breasts would be one element which a woman might posses that could create appeal. The summation of all the appeal elements would create a total of appeal. In essence, breasts create interest but are not the only item that creates interest.

I wouldn't think that the above assertions would logically lead one to assume that the size of the breasts is directly proportional to the level of interest. I can only speak on my behalf and i can say that small breasts are not out of the question.


What if she loses one to cancer? is she still suitable? As i said before, each person is unique. That would be a question you would need to pose to them.

Yes, i clearly hear what i am saying and it is simply this: The appeal men find in breasts is rooted in the evolutionary drive to reproduce.

[ieoeja]

51. Absolutely evolutionary as breasts equate to ability to feed babies.

Common natural sexual attraction is all about survival of the species. Which is why women are generally attracted to stronger males and men to larger, big-breasted women.

Given: these are no longer helpful to survival of the species.
Given: I am attracted to tiny women and even prefer tiny breasts.
Then: I have evolved beyond you.

:evilgrin:

[mkultra]

62. lol, perhaps

or perhaps the lack of survival challenge has simply made the instincts of your particular line soft. :)

perhaps you are devolving. I personally don't think size directly equates to appeal. I have a peak size and shape though.