Lindsey Graham let the cat out of the bag

[scheming daemons]

Basically admitted that the whole debt limit crisis was manufactured.

[lazarus]

1. link?

:hi:

[sasha031]

5. Graham: GOP has no one 'to blame but ourselves'/ here

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0711/Graham_GOP_has_no_one_to_blame_but_ourselves_.html

[Raine1967]

2. Oh -- is there a link to that?

that is delicious.

If so, it further confirms my belief that the GOP has LOST the Debt limit debate. When you run out of bullets, you throw the gun. :)

Now I just hope that we can save the nation -- this is a really bad crisis that the GOP created. Manufactured as it is -- they made it a serious situation. It's bad, and the GOP did this.

[gateley]

4. Graham: GOP has no one 'to blame but ourselves

“Our problem is we made a big deal about this for three months. How many Republicans have been on TV saying, ‘I’m not going to raise the debt limit.’ You know, Mitch says, ‘I’m not going to raise the debt limit unless we talk about Medicare.’ And I’ve said I’m not going to raise the debt limit until we do something about spending and entitlements.’ So we’ve got nobody to blame but ourselves,” Graham told reporters after a GOP caucus lunch.

“We shouldn’t have said that if we didn’t mean it.” /snip

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0711/Graham_GOP_has_no_one_to_blame_but_ourselves_.html

Not really "admitting it was manufactured" but an interesting statement nonetheless.

And...

The South Carolina Republican said he hopes House Republicans can pass legislation that raises the debt limit while also structurally changing the way the government spends money. One proposal calls for deep spending cuts, statutory spending caps, and a constitutional amendment to balance the budget.

“If they can’t, then Mitch’s idea makes sense,” Graham said. “But if they can pass something out of the House that raises the debt limit that changes the reason we got in debt, that would be a fundamental new direction for the country, I think we should support that.” / snip

(same link)

Not sure if the OP was referring to something else, but this is just what I found on a quick look-see.

[Raine1967]

10. Thank you!

much appreciate it!

[tekisui]

3. Why did the WH play along?

[bornskeptic]

6. Are you suggesting what the teabaggers claim, that failure to raise the debt limit

would not be catastrophic? Lindsey Graham isn't that stupid. Ordinarily raising the debt ceiling is a routine, noncontroversial matter. It only became a crisis this time because the Republicans made it a crisis, but they had the power to do so, and President Obama had no choice but to try to protect the nation from them.

[tekisui]

7. I am suggesting that the WH knew it was a manufactured crisis

and played along with the drama. No one seriously believed they would let it go to default. Neither side would let that happen.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. I admire your "stick-to-itive-ness"

:rofl:

[bornskeptic]

11. You're giving House Republicans way too much credit.

There are about 60 of them who won't vote for a debt ceiling increase under any circumstances, and many more who won't vote for a debt ceiling increase without spending cuts of the same size. Boehner wants to raise the debt ceiling, but he would need to getabout 25 halfway sane Republican members to vote along with the Democrats to do so. He can't get them. That's the whole point of McConnell's proposal-to make some of the idiots think that Obama would actually be raising the debt ceiling.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. I highly doubt that Boehner can't get 25 Republicans to vote for it

If he can't, then he might as well step down as Speaker.

[Ikonoklast]

30. Don't you think Cantor has been trying to keep his caucus from voting with Boehner?

It would make Cantor Speaker if Boehner falls.

Wheels, within wheels...

[Hippo_Tron]

35. No, I think Cantor and Boehner are playing good cop bad cop

And fortunately the President is calling them out on the bullshit games. You don't get to be Speaker if you can't deliver 1/10th of your caucus on a vote. There is no rift between Boehner and Cantor and Boehner is fully capable of delivering the votes for a compromise without any prospect of a Cantor mutiny. Boehner is trying to make it look like Cantor is tying his hands and fortunately the President isn't falling for that crap.

[CakeGrrl]

13. Yeah, the President has nothing better to do than

whip up some drama with the Republicans in cahoots.

Again minimizing the nefarious intent of R's and dragging President Obama down to equivalent status with them.

:eyes:

[Hawkowl]

15. For a political victory

If the WH is really good, in every sense of the word, they will get something tangible out of this manufactured crisis besides political points.

[uponit7771]

17. You do remember they were going to let UI benefits run out last year right?!!?

[tekisui]

20. Only because the Dems failed to act when they had the power.

[Kahuna]

9. They are on the ropes and looking for a graceful way out. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

12. That's why it's amazing Obama is even trying to play ball with these folks

It was nothing but manufactured bullshit. Obama should have told them to fuck off all along.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Which is why you're not president. There's a reason he's made gains with Indies,

and kept his Democratic base, and it's not from telling other elected officials to "fuck off". I'm glad my president has some class. :eyes:

[Cali_Democrat]

19. There's a reason why the Dems got blasted in the 2010 elections

Obama and the Dems didn't listen to their base.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Well, if the "true progressives" are correct, it was moderate & conservative Dems

who stayed home. Apparently, "progressives" showed up in the same numbers as in 2008. Which is it? There's a thread in this very forum that makes this claim. :shrug:

[Cali_Democrat]

22. Well then that thread is wrong

Most Dems were disheartened by Obama's conservative policies. This caused enthusiasm to dry up. It wasn't nearly where it was in 2008.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Are you sure? It was one of your BFF's who made the claim.

I would look it up, but I no longer have search priveleges, but it is in this very forum. He/she was scolding someone who made the exact same claim that you're making now. Who to believe? Since I have very little in common with either of you, as you both are clearly ABO, I'm not sure whose word to take. :shrug:

[Cali_Democrat]

27. My BFF? LOL!

I'm sorry, but I have no idea who or what the hell you're talking about.

This might be one of the strangest replies I've ever seen. Trying to respond to me using another poster's words, a post I have never read, and claiming that they are my BFF so I should agree with them. And because I don't agree, there is some kind of inconsistency. Good lord! :spray: :rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Say hi to t..........

:hi:

[Cali_Democrat]

29. LOL

:crazy:

[catgirl]

31. It never IS the same in a non-prez election

The lazy blue dogs stayed home...

[Mimosa]

33. Such a thread is wrong. Why bother 'going there'?

I was watching polls in 2008 and 2010. I've posted about my observations -confirmed by stats- several times.

In 2010 the youth vote, Latinos and blacks simply did not show up to vote as they did in 2008. This was noticed and recorded all over the country. Midterms are traditionally ignored by 'occasional' voters.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. "Midterms are traditionally ignored by 'occasional' voters."

Thank You. I've been amazed that the more progressive than thou DU'ers attached so much more significance to the losses in the 2010 midterms as if they really meant more than any previous midterm.

Until the Clinton years (Hunting of the President), I never voted in a midterm election, because I didn't see them as important, a trait I inherited from my father. Now I know better. Midterms are dominated by older, more religious, predominantly Anglo constituencies.

[vaberella]

14. I don't know how much worse it can get for repubs. Make this viral. n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

16. K n R

[JoePhilly]

23. I predict that Lindsey is about to be Tea bagged, big time!!!

And then, come election time, the far right will also be running a primary opponent against him!

[paparush]

25. Shock Doctrine applied to America's poor and elderly.

Sicko.

[Inuca]

32. I kind of respect Lindsey Graham

Most of the time hate what he says or does, but respect him. He is the real deal, in the sense that he actually means what he says (usually, or often, he is a politician after all), is not stupid or ignorant, and has guts.

[davidpdx]

36. Damn I thought you were going to say he admitted he was gay

My whole day is ruined now. lol