Just made my mid-month contribution to the President's campaign...

[Aviation Pro]

...my goal is to see President Obama reelected.

What say you?

[Ineeda]

1. Yup. I contributed the other day and will again. n/t

[Aviation Pro]

2. Well I guess an unrec....

...is sort of like a 'say you.' Have a wonderful fucking day.

[polichick]

3. You're not alone...

"And, more recently, there was that searing image of President Obama convening a $35,800-a-plate Upper East Side dinner with "a committee of bankers, private equity executives and hedge fund managers" as the economy burns."

http://www.salon.com/news/david_sirota/2011/07/13/great_recession_elitism_slideshow

[theaocp]

4. Unrec b/c he doesn't need YOUR money.

He's getting plenty from his corporate base and will no doubt continue to do so. Use your money more wisely to aid progressives in local and state elections. That could make an actual difference in how our country moves toward the future. What say you?

[Aviation Pro]

6. I say the country burns to the ground if a.....

....Republicantcccccccccccccchhhhhhh ptui sits in the White House ever again.

[theaocp]

10. Yea? The supporters keep telling me how impotent he is

without Congressional support. My point still stands: Obama will do just fine with or without your money. Perhaps you should look into diversifying your donations. What say you?

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

56. Quote? What "supporters" said this? Link?

[Lisa D]

7. Why can't we do both?

I support Democrats and will donate accordingly.

[theaocp]

9. Knock yourself out.

As I said, Obama doesn't need your money. For all the balleyhoo over the small donations in 2008, he did just fine with donations from the likes of Goldman-Sachs, so do what you want if it makes you feel better. I think it could be better spent, but it's a free country. :shrug:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. You guys are working overtime today. You're the second to drag up that 2008...

donor list. Is that all you got? Made up crap from 3 years ago? What you guys very cunningly neglect to tell people is that online donations require you to list your occupation, and the company you work for. So nice try, but this shit has been debunked time & time again.

"This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."

I guess your credibility as a critic depends on distorting the facts? Did you actually read the link before you posted it? :shrug:

[theaocp]

25. I was unaware it was made up.

Sorry. Perhaps you can enlighten me with your wisdom, your Grace. What do the PACs hope to gain from their donations? Is it all counted individually? Based on Goldman-Sachs's past performance wrt humanity-in-general, it seems that their desires are at odds with what progressives hope for.

Oh, and stop insinuating that I'm an open liar or at least have the guts to just say it. As for the link, I read what the donations were, but apparently, I overlooked crucial information. Stop being a jerk about it and try to help.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. I thought so. I'm through with this witness your Honor. Case closed.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

27. Great discussion.

Must be that Southern hospitality shining through.

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Next witness, please!

:rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

30. Love that Southern charm!!!

:rofl:

[theaocp]

31. I literally ask for guidance and you laugh repeatedly in my face.

I'm sorry you're so jaded. What's next? Another rofl?

[ClarkUSA]

33. Guide yourself to the facts. You got punked.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

36. More rofl.

What is wrong with you people? Are you so jaded that when I ask for help, you rescind it with a slap in the face? I'm very sorry for you.

[ClarkUSA]

38. I don't waste time with anyone who denigrates Obama supporters and discourages donations to OFA.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

41. See response below.

Still wasting time. Whoops. My opinion remains: donations to Obama can be just as helpful to bring progressives to office OUTSIDE of President. You have yet to prove that untrue or misdirected. Beyond that, you're slapping high-fives with T_D over keeping fellow DUers ignorant of obviously easily-debunked assumptions about campaign donations. Are you proud of yourself?

[ClarkUSA]

42. Yawn.

:nopity:

[theaocp]

44. Still wasting time?

At least you're learning a musical instrument.

[ClarkUSA]

46. Not a waste of time kicking this great OP about donating to OFA.

[theaocp]

49. Good point.

But, you said you don't waste time with me. And yet, here you are. I'm still waiting for useful information from my link that doesn't include telling me to go on a scavenger hunt. Help a brother out.

[ClarkUSA]

52. Wait until President Obama is re-elected in a landslide. I could care less about you.

[theaocp]

53. That's ok. I like you.

You're obviously unhappy and irritable and I hate seeing that around here. Perhaps you could help me alleviate your suspicions.

[ClarkUSA]

55. Do you like my support of Obama, too? After all, you called it hero worship.

[theaocp]

58. No, not really.

I don't trust Obama anymore. I'm really burned out on debating what he's going to do or not do, especially in the face of corporate donations that speak louder than we ever could. I'd rather pull away from him for a while and focus on state and local stuff. It breeds too much impatience and distrust among us and I'm just too tired.

[ClarkUSA]

59. I'll bet. FYI, that meme of yours re: "corporate donations" has already been debunked. Next?

[theaocp]

61. He gets money from banksters and their associated ilk.

Let alone other corporate influences. Yes? Does that have any influence on his decisions? I think it does and it's not good.

[ClarkUSA]

64. Are you itching to find some wrongdoing on President Obama's part? Sure sounds like it.

Maybe you should volunteer for Rep. Issa. He feels the same way.

[theaocp]

66. You're advocating that I support a Republican?

No, I won't do that. As for keeping a cynical eye on President Obama, if he's a progressive, he can take the heat. He even says he's ready to do that. Nevertheless, I'm advocating for other progressives around the country, as Obama has enormous support from great folks like yourself. A votre sante.

[ClarkUSA]

68. No, I simply noted that you and Rep. Issa have the same suspicions. It's amazing how that happens.

:sarcasm:

[theaocp]

71. Issa's motivations are just as suspect, based on

who funds his campaign. I honestly don't know why you aren't more suspicious of what campaign donors get for their money. Everybody's got a reason.

[ClarkUSA]

74. Hmmm... you are full of suspicions about Pres. Obama yet lack a shred of proof, just like Rep. Issa.

How frustrating for both of you.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

76. It's sad that you continue to laugh at a progressive.

I'm suspicious of all politicians. Edwards and Weiner took away some of my naivete. At least you're still able to laugh. I must be your Karl Pilkington.

[ClarkUSA]

80. Rep. Issa is a progressive? Who knew?

:rofl:

Edwards was a phony from Day One of his political career. Weiner was a grandstanding media whore who was a liar from Day One of his weiner shot being discovered. I knew they were both liars immediately.

My bullshit meter is obviously far better than yours.

President Obama is a terrific president, a loving and loyal husband, a fine man and a great dad. No amount of paranoid suspicion will change these facts.

[Tarheel_Dem]

81. Speak on it Clark!

:applause:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

82. PREACH!!!!! +1,000,000!!! n't

[CarolinaIndependent]

85. I highly doubt it will be a landslide...

I'm sure if Obama is re-elected, it won't be a landslide. In 2008 EVERYTHING was going his way, and he still only received 53% of the vote, barely over half. He certainly isn't going to increase that margin, if anything it will go down to about 50-51% - which is the loss of quite a few close states from 2008: Indiana, Ohio, and Florida seem likely to be lost.

Speaking of: I'm obsessed with election research. I compare maps and do crosstabs, and try to keep a running tally of safe, likely, and toss-up states. During the 2008 election I was able to not only correctly predict which states Obama would win, but I was very close to exact with his actual vote percentages. I'd love to have somewhere on DU to just talk about Obama's 2012 election chances (bounce ideas of others, get information through "eyes on the ground" of people in other states) - but there's no "Election 2012" room that I can find on here. Would it not be possible to make such an area?

[treestar]

73. Good job, counsel!

:hi:

[theaocp]

77. Ah, perhaps finally someone who can help me decipher the link

I had. T_D and Clark have been somewhat unhelpful. I'm lost on how Goldman-Sachs was not a large contributor to the 2008 campaign. Please do not tell me to do my own research or continue to mock my ignorance. I'm asking for help.

[treestar]

84. Apparently it was employees of Goldman Sachs

and like companies, and that was the point the other posters were making.

I don't go along with the complete demonization of all large companies - they do have a lot of employees. People who work for GS for modest salaries will not take that attitude kindly. And that would be most of the employees.

[ClarkUSA]

29. Yes, it's amazing how that meme has reared its head again, isn't it?

:sarcasm:

I dealt with one case yesterday. I'm sure it won't be the last.

[theaocp]

32. I had heard it before, but not that it was untrue.

Since T_D won't help, perhaps you can explain it better to me. Please see my responses to him for further clarification. Thank you.

[ClarkUSA]

34. I don't waste time with anyone who denigrates Obama supporters and discourages donations to OFA.

[theaocp]

37. Actually, you've "wasted" quite a bit of time in this very thread.

Whoops. My opinion remains: donations to Obama can be just as helpful to bring progressives to office OUTSIDE of President. You have yet to prove that untrue or misdirected. Beyond that, you're slapping high-fives with T_D over keeping fellow DUers ignorant of obviously easily-debunked assumptions about campaign donations. Are you proud of yourself?

[ClarkUSA]

40. I'm donating another $10 to OFA in your honor.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

43. Thanks, I guess.

Why are you laughing about the 50-state strategy? That seems pretty divisive. Are you in favor of splitting California along party lines?

[ClarkUSA]

48. "That seems pretty divisive." And your calling my support of Obama "hero worship" is unifying?

Cognitive dissonance is funny.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

51. No, that wasn't fair and was said out of impatience.

I apologize for that. I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. I remember that one. He was fun. Didn't even read his own link.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

39. I'm still here and glad I can entertain you.

I saw the information I had been told was true and apparently didn't vet it sufficiently. Again, perhaps you'd like to help or are you content with your rofls?

[ClarkUSA]

45. Funny how any talk about donations to OFA brings out the usual memes.

It's so predictable. We have got to start counting.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

47. Well, it makes sense.

You've already said the 50-state strategy is a waste of money, so your devotion to OFA equals QED.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Quote me.

Sounds like hero worship.

:rofl:

[theaocp]

54. It's been deleted or edited out. Sorry. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

57. How convenient.

[theaocp]

60. Whatever. Clear it up now.

Would you donate to or support the 50-state strategy?

[ClarkUSA]

62. I am giving every dime to OFA and the DNC for them to use as they see fit.

Not a dime to federal, local, or state officials unless it's to those in WI.

[theaocp]

63. Ok. So this subthread was a circular way of getting back to you

not donating or supporting the 50-state strategy? Let's be perfectly clear: do you think the 50-state strategy was/is a waste of money?

[ClarkUSA]

65. Do you think supporting OFA and the DNC is a waste of money?

[theaocp]

67. That's funny. I could have sworn I asked you a question. Et bien.

As for your question, I can't believe I'm saying again that I think Obama does not need our money. Please be satisfied with my answer this time. As for the DNC, I think I'd rather donate directly to candidates of my choosing.

[ClarkUSA]

69. That's funny, your red herring question is irrelevant to this OP.

[theaocp]

70. Not to our subthread.

Why won't you answer the question?

[ClarkUSA]

72. It's irrelevant to the OP topic. Why don't you start your own OP?

I have no interest in an issue better consigned to a time warp.

[theaocp]

75. Actually, I don't think it's irrelevant at all.

A hypothetical donation is relevant to the best use of donation dollars. The fifty states are still there, despite the named strategy being absent. I think spreading money around is still a good idea. It's too bad you are more interested in burying the question.

[Tarheel_Dem]

78. Anytime the Prez has a good news day, they turn it up a notch. Misleading links,

half truths, and goalpost moving galore. :hi:

[ClarkUSA]

11. Bullshit. Are you really discouraging Democrats from donating to President Obama's campaign?

Hmm... very interesting.

[theaocp]

12. You're cute.

You have something to say, then say it. I think my post was pretty clear.

[ClarkUSA]

13. I asked you a question.

[theaocp]

15. Nice update.

Lessee, no. Do whatever you want with your money. I believe it can be better spent on federal, state, and other local elected positions to bring in the progressive voices you say are necessary for President Obama to do what he really wants for the country. Do you have a problem with that? It's my opinion and I think it stands on its own feet pretty damn well. You seem to insinuate that I'm in violation of something or a troll, as I ascertain from your snide "Hmmm..." comment. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is b/c while you and I disagree most of the time, you try to back up your position with information and links, as opposed to other unnamed folks I also disagree with. At least I can respect that. Anything else?

[ClarkUSA]

16. Donating to President Obama's re-election is the smartest thing to do with my money.

It's easy to see why, given it's not hard to see what would happen to this country if a Romney/Bachmann ticket won the WH. I also take exception to your snide "corporate base" bullshit. That's not only incorrect but irresponsible, especially in light of Citizen's United.

[theaocp]

17. Would you consider helping out a 50-state strategy instead?

If that were an option? Seriously curious - no snark.

[ClarkUSA]

19. Would you consider donating to OFA?

[theaocp]

23. Obama for America? No.

This conversation is pointless. I have already stated that I don't think he needs our money. Oh, and you didn't answer my question. Love and kisses.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Of course not.

No surprise there.

[Name removed]

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[donheld]

83. I would not have recommended but since you whined...

[Lisa D]

5. Thanks for the reminder!

K&R

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[ClarkUSA]

14. Great! I donate every month and plan to go to events, too.

GObama 2012!!! For everyone who doesn't want him to win re-election, go to hell.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. I'm on a monthly basis as well. Good job!

:patriot:

[DevonRex]

79. Great idea.

I confess I haven't done much yet so far. But I'll figure out my budget this weekend. Plus whatni always wind up donating in supplies and equipment and phone bills, too.

[Pisces]

86. $50 for his birthday on Aug. 4th!!! He turns 50!!