So the Progressive Change Coaltion is protesting outside of Obama 2012 headquarters and. . .

[wndycty]

. . .doing an interview with the local right wing radio station (WLS-AM/Roe & Roeper) in the next few minutes.

The right wingers respond more positively to these types of actions than real progressives do.

[Larkspur]

1. Good. I'm glad PCCC is protesting Obama's horrible decisions

to cut benefits for SS, Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries. He's been drinking too much of the Inside Washington Beltway koolaid.

[damntexdem]

7. Obama needs to listen.

So far he hasn't.

and unrec the thread

[ClarkUSA]

11. Bullshit. Quote the final budget deal where it says that will happen.

I wish PCC would demonstrate outside Gov. Schweitzer's office and protest his gung-ho attitude towards shooting endangered wolves from helicopters but I doubt they will because they are probably a Koch Brother-funded front group.

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[Larkspur]

31. Schweitzer was one of the first Dem Govs to organize bus trips for seniors

to go to Canada to purchase the same drugs they needed in the USA at a cheaper price. Whereas, Republican-lite Dems, like Mark Warner, were rushing to support Catfood Commissions that would cut benefits for seniors.

And what has Wes Clark been doing? Grooming himself to be a pretty-boy paid pundit?

[Ikonoklast]

19. Name one 'decision' voted on and implemented.

You can't, there isn't even a bill yet in any form, with any changes to anything.

[The Magistrate]

2. The Technical term For This, Sir, Is 'Blithering Idiocy'

[Inuca]

3. Love you (and your sense of humor)! n/t

[rhett o rick]

6. I respectfully disagree. We have been patient for over 30 years and continue

to lose ground. Granted we are losing ground at a slower rate with Pres Obama, but not at a fast enough rate to save many Americans that are LITERALLY dying because of the current policies. I believe that Pres Obama is doing all he can but that isnt enough. The movement has started and we must keep up the momentum.

[The Magistrate]

10. Demonstrating Is Fine, Sir: Going On That radio Program Is a Mug's Game

There is a line between pressuring your side and collaborating with the enemy, and it should not be crossed.

[rhett o rick]

13. I agree there is a line. Not sure that being interviewed by the radio station crosses the line.

When giving out your message do you only give the message to certain outlets? What would the selection process be? I think the same might apply to ABC and CNN.

As I stated in another response, the worst that can happen is the RW listeners will get an ear full of progressive ideas.

[The Magistrate]

17. When The Interviewer is A Professional Demagogue, Sir, And the Interviewee An Amatuer

The result is not pretty, ever.

"The race goes not always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet."

[Palmer Eldritch]

37. Giving the Right Wing ammo is not very progressive.

[CakeGrrl]

4. So...HOW does this interview with RW radio help Progressive causes?

Perhaps someone should tell them to stop taking pages from the Hamsher playbook.

How many Progressives do they hope to reach via that media outlet?

:wtf:

[wndycty]

5. It doesn't, that is why I don't trust them.

:kick:

[rhett o rick]

8. At least the RW will be getting an ear full of progressive ideas. nm

[CakeGrrl]

15. I'm sure they'll take those to heart. This is JUST the thing.

:crazy:

[Cherchez la Femme]

27. So it is indeed: The Medium Is The Message

*sigh*

Was Marshall McLuhan wrong on anything?

If he was, I surely cannot recall it...

[Cherchez la Femme]

34. That's right! Let our message be kept under wraps!

Just so.
Only talked about amongst ourselves.
Yep, that would certainly bring us a lot of converts! :sarcasm:


And just like the death of King George V, before he 'gave up his ghost' (LUV that phrase!),
he was given a deadly shot of morphine.

Why did this happen?
The dying king was euthanized before fate took it's course and decided his natural,
but completely inconvenient time of death.

Because Hell no! Those toffs didn't want any 'rags' such as not only tabloids like News Of The World first reporting the Kings death,
neither The Guardian &, I believe, The Independent (who wrote one of the links below) to be among the first to announce the King's death, (but don't quote me)

it HAD to be a 'greater organ' such as the London Times!


Now THAT'S worth killing somebody over! :eyes:
Oops! I mean *euthanasia*, a much nicer word than Murder! ------yeah, yeah! THAT'S the ticket!

Want proof?
Read:

"George V's doctor prematurely bumped off his royal patient on his deathbed in time to ensure that his death would be announced in The Times and not in the 'lesser organs of the afternoon'."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7578/Space---swallowed-hole.html


Or, for that quote, one can check Wikipedia, whose Talk Page on the King also denotes the quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AGeorge_V_of_the_United_Kingdom

I read this in more than a couple history books (not at my fingertips ATM) but it was also discussed in the PBS video: "The Windsors: A Royal Family" so I will have a difficult time digging those books up;
especially as the house I'm now in is about a quarter of the size as my last house so I have tons of things buried in storage.


So sure. Let's not disseminate the message to everyone we possibly can!
Let's just use OUR preferred Liberally-slanted media -- our very own echo chamber.


If we can find such an animal.


....so tell me, who exactly IS our preferred media, a company/corporation that will not only be above board & fair to Democrats, to our cause, politicians & platform but actually be on our side?
The L.A. Times? No.
NPR? No no no.
CNN? Hell no!
The Washington Post? Hahahahaha.
CBS, NBC or ABC? You've got to be fucking KIDDING me!
The Wall Street Journal? Surely you jest.
The Washington Times? Gah!
The New York Times? :wtf:


So, other than non-news sites such as blogs or social media, who would you approve of
--in a non-echo chamber kind of way because we DO want to reach a much wider audience and try to convince people, right? And of course one that would have to be on OUR side--

So tell me. I'm dying to know.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Who is the owner of PCC? Where does it get its funding? I'll bet it's a Koch Brother front group.

PUMA Jane "Grober Norquist and teabggaers are my 'Kill The Bill' ally" Hamsher must be taking notes, although she's already on the Republican payroll via her media company.

[rosesaylavee]

21. It's Adam Green and here's the link

http://boldprogressives.org/home

I received the email last week and have to admit I had an emotional response to this:

URGENT: The New York Times reports that President Obama is offering Republicans "substantial spending cuts, including in such social programs as Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security -- programs that had been off the table."
Will you join 100,000 others who have signed this urgent pledge, which we'll deliver to the Obama campaign?

"President Obama: If you cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits for me, my family, or families like mine, don't ask for a penny of my money or an hour of my time in 2012. I'm going to focus on electing bold progressive candidates who will fight to protect our Democratic legacy." Click to add your name.

The Washington Post reports that "congressional Democrats were alarmed by the president’s proposal."
Frankly, it's outrageous. President Obama is on the verge of doing what George W. Bush couldn't do with a Republican Congress: Put Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits on the chopping block.

We've done the polling in swing states -- by overwhelming margins, voters oppose these cuts. There's no need for a bad "deal." If we fight, voters are on our side.

But if President Obama caves on these core principles, he will be harming all Democrats in 2012 -- and millions of Americans will suffer. It's just wrong.

Tell the president that if he doesn't fight for Americans now, our money and time will be used fighting for others in 2012. Click here.

The 100,000 who already signed gave over $8.4 million and 1.4 million volunteer hours to the president in 2008. The White House is absolutely watching the progress of this pledge -- and we'll deliver it to the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago soon.
Thanks for being a bold progressive.

-- Adam Green, Stephanie Taylor, Neil Sroka, Michael Snook, and the PCCC team.

AFter a day and reading alternative viewpoints I tried to find out who these guys were. Went to the website and their names are not listed there. Adam Green used to work with MoveOn so I left it at that and stopped thinking they were just out to get my donation.

[neverforget]

30. anything to back that accusation up?

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. They should be targetting Walll Street and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce

If they get coverage this way the story is Demcorats Fighting Democrats or the like. That's a distraction from the real message that is needed.

[mkultra]

16. the angry left is a Right wing propaganda machine

Giving interviews to fox is all the proof you need.

[frylock]

18. obama has sat and given interviews on fox..

what does that prove?

[Odin2005]

25. Bullshit.

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[Bluenorthwest]

22. Facts do not matter in HUAC land, never did, never will.

nt

[NorthCarolina]

23. What is a "real Progressive", and how can you tell that these protesters are not "real Progressives"

?

[Odin2005]

24. Unrec for Hippe-Punching.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Calling Richard Roeper a right winger is shitty and incorrect.

What a low set of ethics is on display here.

[TheKentuckian]

28. You can take the conservatives out of the TeaPubliKlan party

but you can't always take the TeaPubliKlan out of the conservative.

This little projection campaign they are on is transparent as are the hippie punching, red baiting, messenger killing, fawning over authority, the receptiveness to right wing ideology, and the commitment to the establishment that shows where these folks really stand.

[wndycty]

33. Listen to him railing against raising taxes on the rich. . .

. . .since he has been on WLS-AM I view him a completely different light. I listen, either he has flipped or he is biting his tongue for job security.

[CakeGrrl]

29. Interesting balance sheet on the PCCC:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cmte=C00458000&cycle=2010

All the millions they want to withhold from President Obama, and they're not exactly putting it back into supporting "better" candidates.

Adam Green got more kickback than they contributed.

Interesting.

[davidpdx]

35. Good find

I chipped in $15 for a primary campaign (I don't even honest remember who it was for now) and have to wonder how much actually went to the campaign.

[derby378]

32. Don't worry, the real progressives will watch and see what happens...

...and make their own decisions instead of following the dicta from the smoke-filled room like so many incrementalists do.

[Phx_Dem]

36. They finally found a place where they belong . . . right wing radio.

I hope they stay there.