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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:45 AM
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Blogger Susie Madrak "much calmer" & "pleasently surprised" after conference call with the WH
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 10:52 AM by Clio the Leo
Note: You can hear the conference call at the link below!!!!
http://crooksandliars.com/node/33576

White House Blogger Call: Axelrod Answers Questions on Healthcare Bill

Information always has a soothing effect on me, and I'm feeling much calmer after tonight's White House conference call. Obama advisor David Axelrod and White House Health Reform Director Nancy-Ann DeParle took the time to answer our questions.

I started by asking about the recent maneuver to block imported drugs. I said it was "shameless," not only because Candidate Obama ran on the issue of allowing Americans to buy cheaper drugs from Canada, but because the FDA already does site inspections in those same plants they were calling unsafe. (Basically, in order to sell any drugs in America, your manufacturing facility must meet the same standards as an American plant.)

I was pleasantly surprised to hear that they would be submitting an HHS bill in the near future - they'd "just this week" gotten funding to address any safety concerns, but more importantly, to start putting an infrastructure in place to import drugs.

My other question (as a former reporter who frequently covered insurance corruption) was about using state insurance commissioners to enforce new insurance regulations.

I said that in many states, insurance commissioners were pretty much owned by the local insurance companies, and I was skeptical as to whether making them the enforcers would actually work.

DeParle said HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius, a former state insurance commissioner, was not one of "those" commissioners, and she would be overseeing state departments. Sebelius already met with state insurance commissioners, she said, and having found a wide discrepancy in authority from state to state, got language inserted in the bill that would give them additional powers. (DeParle noted that the West Virginia commissioner didn't even have the authority to see if insurance companies were solvent.)

DeParle said this was the widest expansion of insurance regulation in 20 years.


David Axelrod also chimed in, noting these changes were part of the reason why the insurance industry has opposed the bills so stringently. If this was a giveaway, he said, they wouldn’t be lobbying so hard to defeat the bill.

I have to give it to Axelrod on this: Without even a little exaggeration, I'd say that standardizing state oversight is probably the insurance industry's worst nightmare. They've always taken advantage of a hodgepodge of weak state regulations, sprinkling generous political contributions along the way to buy off state legislators. So this bill is really what you want from federal regulation: Overriding weak state laws that trample consumers.




(most of you probably know Axe's daughter has Epilepsy.)

In response to a question from MyDD's Jonathan Singer, Axelrod talked about having a daughter with a chronic illness while he was a reporter in an HMO plan. "I spent tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket that I didn’t have. The stress was extraordinary. This bill attempts to fix the system on the basis of the human costs on patients and their families." He called it "wrongheaded to suggest these bills aren't infinitely better than anything we have today. This is an extraordinary moment on which we can win."

<smip>

He talked about Obama watching his mother worry as she was dying of ovarian cancer, with her insurance company claiming she had a pre-existing condition.

"We're not here to look at our poll numbers, admire them and put them up on a shelf… we’re here to do something," he said.

Gina Cooper asked about when we'd see the president fighting for his vision.

DeParle responded, "He's fighting to get this done. You don’t know how many meetings, how many phone calls, how many hours he’s spent on this thing. I don’t mean to be chiding of you, but please appreciate how difficult this is."

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:47 AM
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1. Unfortunately, no one here will believe it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:50 AM
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2. nah ..... some will.
And all I'm asking them to do is listen. ;)
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:00 AM
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8. I'm encouraged by it, so thanks
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:26 AM
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29. Here's what I don't believe
I don't believe in the federal government's ability to regulate the health insurance industry without there being somewhere else to turn when the insurance companies keep fucking us over.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:51 AM
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3. Gina Cooper...this is why the blogosphere gets laughed out of the room sometimes
Does she think Obama has been hanging out at the gym for the past year?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:01 AM
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9. For some Deity of your choice's sake!
Could you please be less ham fisted simplistic in your put downs of those who have serious reservations about supporting the HCR effort as it stands?

Right. Either I believe that America's interests are best served by passing this legislation as it currently stands, or I must think Obama is a heartless slacker playing basketball whenever he isn't on camera defending his Administration's efforts or off accepting big corporate campaign contributions.

Condescension is a good way of pissing people off but a poor way of winning people over to your point of view.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:06 AM
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10. really. the wh says it so i believe it. NOT! nt
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:07 AM
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11. What's condescending is someone asking if "Obama will fight" for HCR
Actually, it's ignorant beyond all measure. No laptop warrior should pretend to know how many times Obama has gone to bat for HCR, not to mention a much better bill than we have on the table right now. People can vent all they want about the bill, but when you get a chance to ask a question of the Administration, at least try to appear informed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 AM
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17. Yes, President Obama will only have our TROOPS fight to keep the illegitimate Mayor of
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 AM by ShortnFiery
Kabul in charge of Afghanistan. :eyes:

Obama will only fight when there's a chance that Wall Street and/or the MIC won't get to STEAL OUR TAX DOLLARS for warmongering and greedy banking schemes.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:17 AM
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He's a cold-hearted corporatist killer, that Barack
:eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:05 PM
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47. So says some propagandist on the internet.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:53 AM
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68. as a black man growing up in America
he's known nothing but wealth and privilege. :eyes: That's why he's such a corporatist tool. :Sarcasm:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:18 AM
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22. Let's start with basics. The Presidency is a big and complex job
Possibly the most difficult job in the world. No one is drafted to be President - they volunteer. And they ask for our votes, not on the premise that they have the best intentions, but on the promise that they will bring the best results. And since this is a Democracy where it is our solemn obligation to carefully choose leaders, it is also our obligation to evaluate leaders so that our choices will be informed.

For me this isn't about whether or not Obama cares about bringing HCR to America. It isn't about whether he is willing to work hard to do so or not. It is about specific results, and those results in part are dependent on the way in which a fight is conducted, not just on the amount of energy that goes into that fight.

As for the reporter, from reading this OP it seems to me she was pretty well informed. She understood the complexities of the State regulatory oversight of insurance system, and she asked a question that deserved to be asked about why the Administration opposed legislation in the Senate allowing for the importation of medication. On top of that she was open minded. Why are you putting her down?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:24 AM
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28. Because she (Gina Cooper) also asked a question that was impossibly lame
Believe it or not, this is what I do for a living, too. And I've asked my share of stinkers; one bad one and the interviewee forgets all the intelliegent things that came beforehand and your own reputation takes a hit. At this point in the game, asking whether Obama will fight for HCR is grandstanding at best.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:22 AM
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26. The real question is "why hasn't he fought" for what he campaigned on.
The answer: he never wanted it in the first place.

Oh, and there are these things called "newspapers" and "internet news sites" that provide plenty of information on how our wonderful HOPEANDCHANGE President has been treating the healthcare debate. Read a few of the links below, so you can "at least try to appear informed".

07/07/09: White House open to deal on Public Option: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692407982802911.html

08/16/09: Obama doesn't mention Public Option on NYT OpEd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8591084

08/18/09: White House signals Public Option may be dropped: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/health/policy/18talkshows.html?_r=1

09/02/09: White House offers "trigger" to Snowe: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/09/02/snowe-trigger-wh/

09/04/09: White House memo omits support for Public Option: http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/white-house-polling-memo-omits-numbers-showing-support-for-public-option/

09/06/09: White House backs away from requiring Public Option: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32714404/ns/politics-health_care_reform

10/16/09: Obama's 'trigger' stance irks the Hill: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/10/26/obamas_trigger_stance_irks_the.html

10/18/09: White House reaffirms Public Option not a priority: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/18/AR2009101802152.html

10/23/09: Public Option near, but White House pushes Trigger: http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/public-option-success-close-white-hou

10/24/09: Obama actively discourages Senate's Public Option: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-senate-pushes_n_332844.html

11/11/09: White House Pushes Trigger: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/white-house-thinks-trigge_n_354380.html

12/06/09: Obama silent on Public Option in speech to Senators: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/obama-silent-on-public-op_n_381847.html


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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 02:00 AM
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56. Obama didn't mention a public option when he pardoned a turkey!
How will that turkey find health care?

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:51 AM
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60. Yeah, that has really shocked me, here. Always with those false dichotomies
Does anyone know anyone, anyone at all, who was ever persuaded with that?
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:54 AM
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4. Awesome!
Thanks for posting this!

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:59 AM
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5. I'm not surprised. 24/7 Obama bashers are the ones who don't have a clue but say they know it all.
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 11:00 AM by ClarkUSA
Team Obama always has stuff going on behind the scenes that put to rest Obama bashers' lies.
The fact that they don't beat their chests with this info is a reflection of how serious they are,
despite the three-ring Outrage circus that has predictably erupted.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:12 AM
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15. No worries
because Obama is playing wizard's chess. It's way too complicated for the hoi polloi to understand. Just trust the supreme leader.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #5
23. As I always say...
.... I we cant SEE it, it must not be happening. :)

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:39 AM
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32. that photo is hilarious
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:14 PM
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41. Ain't it the truth? Nice photo analogy.
:)
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:52 AM
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67. oh, right! I'm so relieved to know nobody's "beating their chests" with info
I always like it when the people with information keep it secret. I mean, think how counterproductive it would be if people were actually informed about anything. In this case, they might actually get behind the bill instead of suspecting it to be the unethical giant rip-off that it is.
It also makes it unnecessary to backpedal when expectations are not met. Nothing promised, nothing gained by anybody--except those steaming piles of bs that end up smelling like a rose.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 10:59 AM
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6. Please. The American Hitler wants to sell our organs to HMO supervampires
and your so-called "facts" won't convince me otherwise.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:11 AM
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14. If you're trying to be funny, you aren't.
If you're serious, then you don't belong here.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:16 AM
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20. yes, parodying the perpetually pathetic is never really all that funny
It's like mocking the handicapped.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:20 AM
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25. I think I know who stole the sign.....
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:00 AM
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7. How does that alter the main fact of the mandate atrocity?
What is the point of your post?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:09 AM
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12. BFD - What? Is this supposed to be representative of "every blogger?" eom
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:10 AM
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13. Part of what's happening is that the radicals on the right are infecting the whole
country with their anti-mandate anti-everything views.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:33 AM
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30. I would not be against the $125/month mandate of HR 676
I am against being forced to pay 3 times as much as younger people for a shitty product. A tax paid to the same private entties that got us into this mess is not acceptable.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 AM
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16. "Information always has a soothing effect on me"
I hope your information filled post has the same effect here at DU
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:15 AM
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19. I fear that it may have been more DIS-information to sooth the unwashed masses? eom
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:17 AM
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21. fear is a poor choice for guidance in my opinion
Then I am from the school of "let facts and reason guide you"
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:23 AM
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27. "fear is a poor choice for guidance"

:thumbsup:

:hi:

K&R and thanks Clio :)

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:43 AM
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35. Blind faith in "a cult of personality" is a sad way to live one's political life. eom
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 11:43 AM by ShortnFiery
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:50 AM
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38. I agree with that statement as well. :) n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:59 AM
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39. You are talking about the followers of Howard Dean?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:40 AM
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33. It's NOT fear, it's Congress and their horrible TRACK RECORD. I don't trust them ... only
a few liberal progressive democrats. We need to vote these CORPORATE loving representatives OUT of all stripes. Right now, that definitely includes The President. He will have to do a complete turn-around before I'd consider voting for him in 2012.
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 AM
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18. how much did she get paid
or is she just naturally gullible and easily manipulated ...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. Your accusation is bold and strong, do you have proof to back things up
or are you so convinced you are right, that you believe you no longer need to conform to the rules of civil society or operate in a fact based world?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:34 AM
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31. 1st question everyone should be asking is..why do we have to IMPORT what is most manufactured here
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 11:43 AM by flyarm
in the USA????

WHY HAS OUR GOVERNMENT ..IN THE PAST AND NOW NOT PUT PRICE CONTROLS ON MEDS THAT IN MANY CASES CONTROL OUR LIVES AND IN MANY CASES KEEP PEOPLE ALIVE?????????

Why can Canada import our manufactured meds and be able to sell them back to us at 1/4 the price ( AND MANY TIMES WAY LESS THAN THAT! ) and yet our government does nothing to negotiate the prices we are getting gouged at???????

Why can I go to Canada , England, France and Italy and buy my meds so cheap..and yet when they are made here in the USA I pay sickening prices?

Why are so many foreign Pharma manufacturing plants here in the USA..they use our tax dollars to find new meds and to invent new cures..sell them to their nations dirt cheap and we get fucking gouged for the same meds their nations buy for almost cost?? They use our tax dollars to to the damn fucking research..and yet we pay the most worldwide!!!!!!!!!

We are being treated like slaves to Big Pharma..go to PA near the Delaware Border..see how many foreign Pharma Corps are there..where they do their research..there are French and German manufacturing plants and research corps ..and they send the meds back to their nations dirt cheap..and yet we are paying exorbitant prices..after they have used our tax dollars for research.

Just because people don't know this..doesn't mean it is not happening!

My best friends husband is a Pharma researcher..for a German Pharmaceutical corp..he runs a research Dept..he gets told to spend $10 million bucks ..in a two day period..or the money will get taken back by our government..so he orders a nuke microscope for his lab..that is your tax money folks..yours..not the Germans of who are manufacturing here in the USA..and doing research with your tax dollars.

But the meds they develop are getting sent back to Germany dirt cheap ..while you pay out the max..and the research was done on your dime!

So you can put bloggers on with the WH..but if they don't know the right questions to ask..they will always get bullshit as answers!

The utter absurdity of it all is ..we want to "RE-IMPORT"..THAT MEANS WE EXPORTED IT TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH..AND THEY CAN BUY IT.. SO CHEAP..AND NOW WE ARE BEGGING TO BRING BACK WHAT WE EXPORTED AT A CHEAPER PRICE THAN WE CAN BUY IT FOR!

Don't ya think it would be cheaper for us to not ship it somewhere ( another nation) and then try to buy it back cheaper after it has been shipped elsewhere???????
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. Because this country is full of right wing nuts who don't want any
regulation and left wing nuts for whom no regulation is enough?

Other countries have rational citizens. We are Puritanical (no government "handouts") and afraid of any change.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:45 AM
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36. It's NOT right vs. left, but the CORPORATIONS who keep us little people at each other's throats.
Wake up and smell the Big Pharma !
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:47 AM
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37. we are already giving the handouts..to foreign Pharmaceuticals that develop drugs in our country
using our tax dollars..for research and then they are shipping the drugs back to their nations..for dirt cheap!..and you and I AFTER HAVING OUR TAX DOLLARS USED ..ARE GETTING RAPED BY THE VERY FOREIGN CORPS THAT HAD THE RESEARCH SUBSIDIZED BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS, CHARGE YOU EXORBITANT PRICES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THEY CHARGE THEIR OWN NATIONS PEOPLE!..
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lovelyrita Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #31
69. Excellent point.
This re importation bull makes no sense. Why are drugs allowed to be advertised on TV? What is the purpose of it? Shouldn't Doctors be the ones who decide which medication is appropriate for their patients?
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
72. Good question...have yet to hear a good answer...
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:02 PM
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40. Excellent post!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:25 PM
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43. It's the truth and i am damn sick and tired of the bullshit and lies! People are dying because
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 12:26 PM by flyarm
of the lies!

stop the bullshit..and demand real health care and Pharma reform..not the bullshit we are being sold at present!

Kill this bullshit bill..it is nothing but a pile of stink!

enough of the bullshit and those trying to sell this pile of manure!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:22 PM
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42. Didn't the Senate vote down both drug reimportation bills making this change moot?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:31 AM
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61. But, you see, BEHIND THE SCENES the administration is putting
together a new bill, one that will build the infrastructure to re-import drugs!

(I guess UPS and FedEx just aren't good enough, we now need to examine every pill for terrorists or something).

And for those who don't quite believe this bullshit... well you are just so uninformed!!! :sarcasm:

(and never mind that the WHITE HOUSE send letters to 30+ Senators just days ago, using FDA letterhead, that claimed that we have no way to ensure the quality of imported drugs... a letter the head of the FDA says was never originated in the FDA, now why the fuck would the Obama administration send out such letter to kill the Dorgin amendment and then turn around and hint that they have a new, supersecret piece of legislation all ready to go to build the INFRASTRUCTURE to import drugs? Hmmm? Maybe that "infrastructure" will involve Pharma getting the pills into their hot little hands FIRST and repacking those drugs - after testing for quality assurance, naturally - and then selling them to customers at a "modest" markup price. Could be. Wanna bet?)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:36 PM
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44. Thank you for posting this. It's been forgotten how personal this is for Obama & Axelrod.
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 12:38 PM by quiet.american
I wouldn't do it anyway, but one reason I haven't joined the 'Obama-as-corporate-tool' meme currently popular around here, is because it seems to me that Obama's experience of having witnessed his mother navigate through her insurance company maze while she was extremely ill surely haunts him through this process. I can't see him approving of a bill that perpetuates that kind of misery.

Another thing that struck me about this post is how quickly we assign the worst possible motives to Obama, and our representatives in general (excepting the Blue Dogs & Lieberman from this, because they are always consistently, infuriatingly on the wrong side of things) often before we have all the facts, or more often than not, before it even occurs to us that there may be more to the picture.

This post, amidst all the ranting, postulating, threatening and raving going on, is like a breath of fresh air.

Kudos to Susie Mudrak for keeping an open mind.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:39 PM
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45. Thanks I just shared this on my facebook wall
:)
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:00 PM
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46. that's saying a lot for Madrak
cuz she is the most cynical blogger on C&L
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 09:44 PM
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54. cynical?
She's a sucker.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 02:47 PM
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48. Axelrod had his head handed to him on the news shows. This blogger is just so "impressed that she
talked to the WH" that she fell right in line with message discipline. People in the Admin have been instructed to more than stretch the truth and present up as down.And they are attempting to do it everywhere but with only partial success.And yeah, I do know this as a fact and don't care if you don't believe it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:28 PM
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49. +1
They lied during the campaign. They are lying now.

Tom Harkin said on television to Rachel Maddow that the Senate had "too many things on their plate" already in 2010 to go back and correct things that were wrong in this bill.

It's on video. Everyone should see it.

It's a sell out.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 07:19 PM
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50. Not at all. He made good points that made sense to anyone with sense.
Conspiracy theories aside, that is.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 09:03 PM
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52. To anyone that didn't actually read the proposed legislation
He never even mentioned that the alleged protection of consumers from preexisting condition rate hikes actually makes things worse for the insured. There will now be subsitutied lifestyle rate increases.Any disease that can remotesly be linked to "lifestyle, such as overweight etc, will be eligable for premium increases with no control factors. Axelrod is nothing but a schill.It also made sense to anyone not taking into account the president almost singlehadedly destroyed drug reimportation and guaranteed it would fail by making a backdoor deal with Big pharma in exchange for their cooperation.Funny, he really can make things happen when he really wants too. But he didn't really want a PO or real HCR.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 09:09 PM
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53. No, to those who did read both the proposed legislation and credible analyses of said legislation.
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 09:11 PM by ClarkUSA
Your vitriolic rhetoric is unmatched to any facts, as usual.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 01:44 AM
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55. Baloney.My facts are valid .And as someone who desperately needs health care
and who currently was recently victimized as the result of the Big pharma deal and now has to have medicine especially compounded because of the idiocy of both the current FDA and the current admins stand on drug reimportation, resulting in my being unable to obtain my medication in any other manner, I believe I have the right to express as much vitriol as I choose.

I am really disgusted with those who continue to elevate politics over people.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:08 PM
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71. What facts? You've offered nothing but anti-Obama propaganda since last year.
Still waiting for facts... as is the poster who also responded with a question as to your veracity and lack of proof.

Not holding my breath...
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:05 AM
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57. Please link that preexisting condition statement. I have seen nothing
like what you are saying except some other people saying such things with no sources at all.

Harkin says
http://harkin.senate.gov/pr/p.cfm?i=320366
The bill will also ensure that Americans will no longer be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions and will no longer be subject to gender rating or rate hikes because of health history.


The Washington post says (12/17)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121601906.html
supposed to eliminate discrimination based on preexisting conditions. But the legislation allows insurance companies to charge older Americans up to three times as much as younger Americans, pricing them out of coverage.


Salon says (12/18)
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/12/18/healthcare_prescriptions
However, the bill dictates that premium rates can only vary based on age (older people can be charged up to three times as much for insurance as other plan holders) or tobacco use (smokers or other users can be charged up to 1.5 times as much for insurance).


Everything I have found says these are the only things that can affect rates
1. based on age (by a 3 to 1 ratio)
2. geographic area
3. tobacco use (by a 1.5 to 1 ratio)
(and the number of family members)


That's bad enough but way too many rumors are being spread
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:07 PM
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70. You won't see any proof. She's been full of anti-Obama bile since last year. Thanks for the FACTS.
Some folks never got over the fact Barack Obama won it all last year. Nothing she says is credible.

But you are. I'm bookmarking your post because the fiction she pushes is standard
propaganda among the 24/7 Obama Bashers Club here.
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:01 AM
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65. +1. Yup.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 07:30 PM
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51. I need to hear a lot more reporting like this to help keep my hopes up.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:29 AM
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58. Thanks for this, Clio.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:57 AM
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59. Clio, I wish I could Rec this post a hundred times.So this is why the ins. co.s are fighting so hard
There will be new standardized state oversight regulations. That alone is actually huge.

Hekate

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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:32 AM
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62. I'm thinking that everybody should calm down.
We're not doing our own health any good by getting all ranty about something that isn't a done deal.

Plenty of time to scream about it when it IS a done deal. (If it ever happens.)

I can't see any way to evaluate this until it is actually passed (and maybe even not until it actually goes into effect). Until then, we're just spinning our wheels. Pretty soon our tires will be bald (not to mention our heads from all the hair-tearing).
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Wardoc Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:02 AM
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63. Typical poliiticraft to quell dissent. I'm not buying bridges today (nt)
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:01 AM
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64. "they would be submitting an HHS bill in the near future".
Riiiiight. I've heard that "near future" thing before. Wouldn't hold my breath.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:49 AM
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66. Thanks for posting this, Clio.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:41 PM
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73. +1
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:35 PM
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74. Kick for the TRUTH.
:kick:
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