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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:46 PM
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Obama edges closer to political cliff with support for 3 NAFTA-like trade deals


http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2011/06/obama-edges-closer-to-political-cliff-with-deal-to-combine-program-to-aid-workers-losing-jobs-to-tra.html

June 28, 2011

Obama Edges Closer to Political Cliff With Deal to Combine Program to Aid Workers Losing Jobs to Trade With Three Bush-Era NAFTA-Style Trade Pacts Projected to Cause More Job Loss

http://www.citizen.org/documents/statement-taa-june-28-2011.pdf">Statement of Lori Wallach, Director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch

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For most Americans, what’s newsworthy is not that the administration is pushing Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA), which effectively is a job burial insurance program, but that pushing a deal on TAA is being used as political cover to move more NAFTA-style trade agreements that will kill more American jobs in the first place, especially given our high unemployment rates.

Poll after poll shows that the vast majority of the American public – across stunningly diverse demographics – is opposed to NAFTA-style trade deals and that members of Congress vote for them at their peril. Earlier this month, White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley, whose job is to sell these trade deals and who helped former President Bill Clinton sell NAFTA to a skeptical Congress, recognized that workers “lose from these agreements” and implied that campaigning against FTAs could even be an electoral advantage. (The Washington Post, “White House’s Daley seeks balance in outreach meeting with manufacturers,” June 16, 2011.)

The point that’s gotten lost in all this wrangling over TAA is that the three leftover Bush trade deals are bad in and of themselves. Even an official government study finds that the Korea deal will increase our trade deficit, and we know up front that it will kill jobs and undermine our national security. The Colombia deal will eliminate any leverage the U.S. has to combat the forced displacements and murders of unionists, Afro-Colombians, human rights defenders and others – problems that have gotten worse since this deal was signed in 2007. The Panama deal will make it harder for the U.S. government to penalize tax-dodging multinational corporations. The supplemental deal on autos for Korea, the labor “Action Plan” for Colombia, and the tax information exchange agreement for Panama are all toothless and do nothing to alleviate the aforementioned problems, as Public Citizen has extensively documented. They were all part of a political-cover kabuki dance.

Moreover, the fact remains that all three deals have the same damaging provisions we all remember from NAFTA: limits on financial services regulation, foreign investor privileges that promote offshoring, weak labor standards, limits on imported food safety and inspection, and the ridiculous private investor-state enforcement system that empowers multinational corporations to go around our domestic courts and directly challenge our state and federal laws before foreign tribunals and demand compensation from our tax dollars for claimed violations of the trade deal.


As the New York Times has http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us/06retrain.html">reported, TAA has proven to be almost useless for today's laid-off American workers, a fig-leaf to sell job-sucking trade deals to the public.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:51 PM
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1. Obama to GOP: No Trade Deals Without Aid to U.S. Workers
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:02 PM
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4. NYT: Trade assistance practically useless
The link was already posted in the body of the OP. Most people would have noticed it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us/06retrain.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:02 PM
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11. "The link was already posted in the body of the OP." The most interesting thing about that article
is that it's from July 2009, quoting a study by the Bush Labor department published in December 2008.

In fact, it seems to have been written to counter the need for stimulus:

<...>

Tens of thousands of laid-off workers like Mr. Hutchins have turned to retraining as a lifeline. Yet for all the popularity of these government-financed programs, there are questions about whether they actually work, even as President Obama’s stimulus plan directs $1.4 billion more to retraining and other services for people who have lost their jobs.

<...>

“I can’t tell you with any degree of certainty, and I’ve been doing it for 20 years, what the hot jobs are going to be,” said one of the authors, Kenneth R. Troske, an economics professor at the University of Kentucky.

<...>

Troske is a Republican who was chosen by McConnell and Boehner to serve on the Congressional Oversight Panel. He opposed the creation of the CFPB.

So there is that.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:34 PM
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16. How come you didn't mention that the other two authors of the study weren't Republicans?
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 10:37 PM by brentspeak
Dumb question. It would be like asking 'How come all you do on the boards is post selective, partial information and use deliberately faulty logic in a failing attempt to fool forum members?'

Answer: Because you would answer the question by posting...selective, partial information and deliberate faulty logic in a failing attempt to fool forum members.

In any case, the New York Times' own research on the matter came up with the same conclusion as the study.

So you've failed -- yet again.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 07:42 AM
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25. "How come you didn't"
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 07:42 AM by ProSense
address the fact that the article is an anti-stimulus piece that's nearly two years old and the study was done by the Bush Labor Department?

"How come"?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:33 AM
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22. How aboutt not killing those US jobs in the first plsce, so we wont need that?
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 01:34 AM by Armstead
THe need for "trade adjustment assistance" is an admission that these deals are job killers.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 03:08 PM
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29. Very representative of Obama's "negotiations" so far,
Give Away the ENTIRE STORE to the RICH Corporate Owners,
but throw a crumb to the peasants and call it a Good Deal.
..and some peasants throw a Gratitude Parade because:
"Thats MORE than you would get from Palin!!!
:party:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:52 PM
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2. Hmmmm?
"As the New York Times has reported, TAA has proven to be almost useless..."

Someone needs to tell that to Sherrod Brown and Richard Trumka.


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:59 PM
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3. "Brown also outlined two pieces of legislation he has introduced this Congress...."
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 07:00 PM by brentspeak
The first of which has already received the thumbs-down by the Obama administration when it http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/02/obama-administration-does-not-brand-china-as-currency-manipulator.html">refused to characterize China's currency manipulation as what everybody and their grandmother knows it is.



http://brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press_releases/release/?id=824079ED-EE68-45EC-9057-EC1E9F1AB160

Legislation Addressing China’s Currency Manipulation: Authored with Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME), the Currency Reform for Fair Trade Act directs the U.S. Department of Commerce to treat currency undervaluation as a prohibited export subsidy, would ensure the government is equipped to respond on behalf of American workers and manufacturers by imposing countervailing duties on subsidized exports from countries like China. Brown and Snowe’s bill is similar to a measure passed in 111th Congress, H.R. 2378, the Currency Reform for Fair Trade Act of 2010, which passed in 2010 by a vote of 348-79, including 99 Republicans.


How come you haven't posted highlighted blue links to make DUers aware of this?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:44 PM
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5. Because the poster cares more about Obama than
Legislation that genuinely supports the American worker?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:59 PM
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7. Actually,
my comment was about the TAA, not currency manipulation.

I'm not responsible for posting articles to please the person I responded to. IOW, I post whatever the hell I feel like posting. I posted a response relevant to a point made about the TAA.

If you're going to respond on my behalf, it would help if you were a better mind reader.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:48 PM
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17. SNAP!!
:thumbsup:
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:56 PM
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6. Brown and Trumka have never used TAA now have they?
Your link contains zero evidence that TAA has helped anyone. It says 40,000 Ohioans who have lost their jobs due to NAFTA "have qualified for TAA". Notice it did not say how many actually used the program. These job training programs help no one because you can't train people for jobs that aren't there.
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jimmyflint Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:59 PM
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8. + 1 Word play and feel good crap. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 08:04 PM
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9. Yeah,
what the hell do they know. They're only useful when they're criticizing the President.

"It says 40,000 Ohioans who have lost their jobs due to NAFTA "have qualified for TAA". Notice it did not say how many actually used the program. These job training programs help no one because you can't train people for jobs that aren't there."

Are you suggesting the Senator Brown is a fraud?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:39 AM
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23. Senator Brown is trying to make the best he can out of shitty policy
HE is against this corpirate free trade con job and has been for many years. Brown has always been a true Democratic populist.

He's at least trying to get some reluef for the people who will be tossed onto the street thanks to the policies being pushed by Mr. Obama to placate his corporate backers.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:05 AM
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28. Nice try at the strawman.
I am suggesting that numbers are only useful when you have the people who took part in the program and benefited. And to add to that what exactly were the benefits. That should not be hard to do for a person in his position.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 08:16 PM
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10. The Labor Dept says 227,000 participated in TAA programs last year
...and that of those that participated in 2009, 87 percent had jobs in 2010. Perhaps there's some fudging of numbers on the brighter side of things, as comparative wages and so forth aren't gotten into, but the basic numbers are pretty impressive.

...though with that said, a free trade agreement that causes problems of that size - having to turn 225k lives upside down and retrain them for other jobs, just so we can save a few pennies on cheaper products shipped across the planet - not so impressive. I'm guessing that problems of larger scale are caused on the other end of the deal, and there's less likely to be any help there.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 12:08 AM
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19. I'll tell it to you from experience.
The TAA is an underfunded fraud. Period.

I was certified as eligible in Feb.2002. I applied in March, and received a letter in April that the program was out of money, and to re-apply the next fiscal year.

I relocated to Florida, and refiled, and was told that the money was given as a block grant to Florida, and Jeb Bush decided not to fund the program. It's not just Jeb Bush is an asshole, but how many other Governors will choose to do the same thing?

They underfund these programs, to give the appearance that they're doing something, and then they don't.

Fuck all Free Trade Agreements. Cancel them all. And screww the TAA fraud.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:08 PM
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12. Try again. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:26 PM
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:37 PM
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14. Why on earth would you ever advocate for someone to
stay home and not vote for Obama?
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Doctor Hurt Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:42 PM
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18. I want to show the user
how small a constituency they represent.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:06 AM
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27. I think it's bigger than you think. If the poster is trying
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 08:08 AM by Autumn
to represent a "constituency", and I don't see where he has done that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:43 PM
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 12:14 AM
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20. And, the hits just keep coming. n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:27 AM
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21. Really? No recs?!
DU is pro-free trade? C'mon this can't be true?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 02:03 AM
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24. I am so f'n sick of this shit....We have learned nothing
Obama has obviously cast hos lot with the con men.

FRee trade as defined by the wealthy corporate elites only benefits the corporate elites.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 03:16 PM
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30. Free Trade is a SCAM invented by the RICH Corporate Owners,
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 03:29 PM by bvar22
and sold to a gullible America by smooth talking con men.

There is NO such thing as "Free Trade".

There is NO such thing as "Free Markets."

And, No Virginia, there is NO Giant "Invisible Hand".


They made ALL that shit up so that they could increase their Profit margins by
out running Labor Protections, Human Rights, and Environmental protections.
It worked too!
QED: The last 30 years.
Case Closed.


Anyone still selling "Free Trade" in NOT on the side of Americans who Work for a Living.




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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 03:23 PM
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31. Free trade has utterly failed and has obliterated the US jobs market
Yet we keep on going back for more :banghead:
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