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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:39 PM
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HuffPost from 1865: LINCOLN SELLS OUT SLAVES


This past weekend, Obama made a video in which he said: "Abraham Lincoln. Here's a guy who didn't believe in slavery, but his first priority was keeping the union. I've got a copy of the Emancipation Proclamation in my office, and if you read through it, most of the document is those states and areas where emancipation doesn't apply because those folks are allied with the union so they can keep their slaves. Here's a wartime President making a compromise around the greatest moral issue that the country ever faced, because he understood that his job was to win the war and maintain the union. Can you imagine how the Huffington Post would have reported on that? It would have been blistering. 'Lincoln Sells Out Slaves.'"
HuffPost Hill responded with this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/18/huffpost-hill-obama-he_n_901815.html?&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:40 PM
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1. .......
:rofl:
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:42 PM
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2. well, Lincoln DID cynically sell out the slaves.
He only "freed" the slaves where the Union had no control.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:44 PM
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3. And had he NOT been murdered by a man who supported slavery, I have no doubt
he would have freed the rest in time.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:59 PM
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9. Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln (Frederick Douglass | 14 April 1876)
... He came into the Presidential chair upon one principle alone, namely, opposition to the extension of slavery. His arguments in furtherance of this policy had their motive and mainspring in his patriotic devotion to the interests of his own race. To protect, defend, and perpetuate slavery in the states where it existed Abraham Lincoln was not less ready than any other President to draw the sword of the nation. He was ready to execute all the supposed guarantees of the United States Constitution in favor of the slave system anywhere inside the slave states. He was willing to pursue, recapture, and send back the fugitive slave to his master, and to suppress a slave rising for liberty, though his guilty master were already in arms against the Government. The race to which we belong were not the special objects of his consideration ...

... When he tarried long in the mountain; when he strangely told us that we were the cause of the war; when he still more strangely told us that we were to leave the land in which we were born; when he refused to employ our arms in defense of the Union; when, after accepting our services as colored soldiers, he refused to retaliate our murder and torture as colored prisoners; when he told us he would save the Union if he could with slavery; when he revoked the Proclamation of Emancipation of General Fremont; when he refused to remove the popular commander of the Army of the Potomac, in the days of its inaction and defeat, who was more zealous in his efforts to protect slavery than to suppress rebellion; when we saw all this, and more, we were at times grieved, stunned, and greatly bewildered ...

... His great mission was to accomplish two things: first, to save his country from dismemberment and ruin; and, second, to free his country from the great crime of slavery. To do one or the other, or both, he must have the earnest sympathy and the powerful cooperation of his loyal fellow-countrymen. Without this primary and essential condition to success his efforts must have been vain and utterly fruitless. Had he put the abolition of slavery before the salvation of the Union, he would have inevitably driven from him a powerful class of the American people and rendered resistance to rebellion impossible. Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined ...

... The honest and comprehensive statesman, clearly discerning the needs of his country, and earnestly endeavoring to do his whole duty, though covered and blistered with reproaches, may safely leave his course to the silent judgment of time. Few great public men have ever been the victims of fiercer denunciation than Abraham Lincoln was during his administration. He was often wounded in the house of his friends. Reproaches came thick and fast upon him from within and from without, and from opposite quarters. He was assailed by Abolitionists; he was assailed by slave-holders; he was assailed by the men who were for peace at any price; he was assailed by those who were for a more vigorous prosecution of the war; he was assailed for not making the war an abolition war; and he was bitterly assailed for making the war an abolition war ...

... Abraham Lincoln was clear in his duty, and had an oath in heaven. He calmly and bravely heard the voice of doubt and fear all around him; but he had an oath in heaven, and there was not power enough on earth to make this honest boatman, backwoodsman, and broad-handed splitter of rails evade or violate that sacred oath. He had not been schooled in the ethics of slavery; his plain life had favored his love of truth. He had not been taught that treason and perjury were the proof of honor and honesty. His moral training was against his saying one thing when he meant another. The trust that Abraham Lincoln had in himself and in the people was surprising and grand, but it was also enlightened and well founded. He knew the American people better than they knew themselves, and his truth was based upon this knowledge ...

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=39


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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 07:10 PM
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4. It's funny because it's true.
I like HuffPo and all, but it's ridiculous with its misleading headlines at times.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 07:12 PM
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5. It's true. HuffPo is all about the sensationalist headlines now.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 07:46 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:33 PM
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8. Headlines and SEO word salad.
They go as far as writing articles for whatever google is trending, just to boost their rankings.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:30 PM
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7. The Emancipation Proclamation was all about Britain & France.
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 08:33 PM by mojowork_n
The American Navy had provoked an international crisis when they intercepted a Royal Navy ship, the HMS Trent, in 1861. Two Confederate diplomats were on board, would-be Dixie Benjamin Franklins' hoping to get European recognition for the south.

It was just a small mail boat, but a hundred years earlier, the British had started a war when a Spaniard used his sword to cut off the ear of an English ship captain. The "War of Jenkins' Ear" was really about economic competition in the Caribbean. Spain's Coast Guard ships were harassing English merchentmen, and vice versa. But economic conditions were still the paramount driving force for diplomatic and military push-back in the 1860's. The American blockade of the south meant that British mills -- and British mill workers -- were starving for work. It wasn't good for France's trade, either.

The Trent incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Affair

was finally settled through negotiations, but the longer the economic blockade affected European economies, the more inclined Britain and France were to jump in to the conflict as 'mediators' which might have led to their recognizing BOTH sides. Which would have been a recognition of secession.

Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation effectively put an end to that possibility, by making the root cause of the war a dispute over slavery.

Having been the first to pass laws against slavery (early 1800's, Wilberforce), England had to stay on the sidelines, and France did too.

....So, in retrospect, you'd have to say America's slave population -- by their numbers and the injustice that was impossible to deny -- they bailed out Lincoln's ass.

In fact, America's black folks maybe bailed out all of our asses. If the north and south had gone their separate ways, who would have been there to bail out the English and French 50 years later, and then again in WW 2? The North and South would have probably been on opposite sides, or half as effective, with one side "neutral," not willing to fight with the old enemy.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 09:37 PM
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10. Funny!!!
Ironically, I'm watching right now part IV of Abraham and Mary on PBS. The war is not going too well for the Union at the moment.

:)
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