Know Thy Destroyer: Republicans vs. Teabaggers

[vaberella]

Edited: To fix spelling errors, add more commentary and shed a bit more clarity on some points. Parts in bold are to emphasize certain things for the election of 2012.

I haven't posted full commentary threads in a long time. I just posted a small Elizabeth Warren thread. But I mentioned something that I think there needs to be a focus. We see Republicans, or all Republicans as just Republicans. I think, despite their level of stupidity, the media does have it right. There are old time Congressional Republicans---like Boehner, like McConnell, like DeMint. Sadly, they are over shadowed and dominated, and turned into a minority by the real problem. The teabaggers, teahadists, teathuglicans....whatever you want to call them, are seriously the majority in the House and their marching orders are coming from people outside of the establishment.

Let me state that the establishment is not great. Meaning the Republican establishment. They are not perfect, but they understand when backed into a corner because they care about the Republican brand. They care about what is going on. Instead here, you have a fringe group that has become a dominate structure dictating new laws. This group is made up of PUMAs, racists--undeniable ones like Bachmann, Paul and so on. Women, who hate other women who want women who were victimized to be forced to carry their attacker's child. Women who believe some women deserve rights while others don't----these are very similar to early American Feminists. Rich to upper Middle Class White women deserved the right to vote and fight for votes but they didn't believe their counter parts (minority women or indigent women) deserved the same.

We are dealing with people who want to bring America back to the time of the forefathers for sure. They want Blacks and other minorities to know their place. They want poor white and minority women to remain in check (both men and women who are teahadists). These people don't see America as a progressive nation, as an evolving nation but one they see as entering almost an H.G. Well's Time Machine degradation. They see progress as the enemy---they see equality as an enemy but claim to be promoting it. They see it equal for SOME, not all. These are the people who believe every lie they put out there. Even if they are caught in the lie they don't admit to it. This is destructive to any nation. And then we have congressional Republicans promoting this---supporting these things. Not realizing they have no control over the monster they are helping to sustain.

People then say, and this is coming from the Liberal/Dem side. We shouldn't deal with these people. We shouldn't deal with terrorists. Sadly, when they have been given control of the House by the electorate and control half of Congress or Legislative Branch....hell yes we have to deal with them. This is negotiating with terrorists and it has to be done. We can't ignore this bunch like we do the idiot LaRouche freaks (who claimed they were Dems)---actually I think those freaks joined the Teaparty---they make up the so-called "Disgruntled Dem" group---remember Republicans keep touting there are Dems in their ranks---it's probably those guys. This is how bad this has gotten.


You can't ignore them, we can't brush them aside, we can't keep saying they are irrelevant and think that will stop them or assume that they will stop. I thought the "blood libel" comment would get Palin out of our hair and end her reign on shit in America---instead the shit made her stronger. She is holding the Media hostage and still talking about weather she will run for President or not. This is what we're dealing with. Yes, it's easy for us to say to President Obama---don't make deals, don't talk to those guys...force them to do this or that. We're not in Congress and seem to assume that the Tea Party is the same as Congressional Repubs.


They are not. They are ruthless. They see the President as a Black man with power before they see a President. They don't think he deserves any amount of respect---as some people on this board who have called our President a "motherfucker" and various other names. There is having outright issues with the President as I have said---but the name calling is normally seen as below us. However, it's part and parcel with these people. They see the President and other Dems as enemies, as "dumb motherfuckers" who support the President. Even if you claim to be Dem here and don't support the President's actions--the teabagger doesn't give a fuck. They see you as one and the same with the President. They will use your contention to get Obama and Dems out of office; and get back America into their Utopia. Where gays are whipped into being straight, where Blacks are strung up on a lynching noose, while minority women are nothing but cattle in a field, and the poor are expendable trash.

This is their belief. In effect they have said as much. Bachmann blamed ALL minorities and primarily Blacks for the economic melt down. Not the rich, not the bankers---minorities and Bill Clinton. Her husband believes in praying the gay away. She along with Angle and O'Donnell believe that women should be forced to carry their rapists kid to term---she's believes the poor need to learn to pay too. This woman is second in the running for the Republican party. Does this seem as irrelevant to you?

Do you all see what we so laughingly disregard? This is not about two evils and choosing between the two! We're looking at a divide and conquer methodology of a group of people who basically want us to regress into a period of time in which minorities were shit, rich white people ruled, and poor white people suffered. And they are progressively getting closer to obtaining their goal. Watch the way the economic structure is playing out...we have Cantor banking against on America's failure. We have people pushing a default in order to show that it's scare tactics when it's stated by many non-political entities that this will be a disaster in the making---because they want to destroy Obama. This isn't even about Dems, it's about Obama and Dems are just a bonus and the American people is collateral damage.


This is a choice between Progress (because for all intents and purposes Obama is a progressive and has pushed a lot of progressive legislation) vs. Regression and Hate. That's all it's about.

I agree that that Obama has a lot more to do, that's undeniable. He has a lot of things to fix that he allowed to remain in place, that is undeniable. I think we should all push for that. But I also think we need to put progressive thinkers in congress, to back him up. We can't expect him to do anything without the back up. He needs to be backed up by positive progressive thinkers in Congress, particularly the house. As Obama has said---nothing gets done with divided government. Nothing gets done without our push.


When you go out there---don't canvas for Obama if you don't want to. Don't force yourself to do anything like that. But at least canvas for those in your local government that you feel would be a positive influence on the President for his time there and who will bring a positive change to your state. Think local/small and it will affect big.


I have seen posters who think a Dem Congress and a Repub President is a good idea. We had that under Bush---it was an outright mess. We have currently a half Repub House, half Dem Senate and a Dem Pres---it's a mess. We had a Dem Congress and a Dem President---one of the most progressive times in our nation which ended in 2010. Lame Duck Session 2010 is perfect example of that.

We have to know our enemy. We have to see that the Repubs are made up of two different factions---and we are looking at a concerted effort to see a destructive America---one that regresses so much to early America it's frightening. One far removed from progress of any kind, against a set of people who do have a progressive view of the future of America.

This isn't even about voting Obama. Hardly that. This is about the fact that I see people making the Teahadists to appear irrelevant, but who happen to be the ones really seem to be controlling things! Think local and it changes things big.

[AndyTiedye]

1. Kicked and Recommended

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. What about Libertarians? They claim not to be racist...

But their financial ideology is meant to harm the least powerful.

[vaberella]

3. They're not in power currently. Closest to the title of Libertarian is Ron Paul.

Rumor has it he's not coming back. His son is not a Libertarian and has no economic perspective of his own besides what he's heard from his father (which is obvious he doesn't understand) and he's a self-declared Teabagger.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. True. I mention them because Libertarians are also right wingers.

Libertarians don't like people thinking of them as right wingers, but they have the same views as Republicans do with regard to everything financial, and the repercussions of Republican-Libertarian financial politics is to destroy the least powerful among us.

[vaberella]

11. I agree with you. Luckily they are so anti-government that many of them don't get too involved.

They invest in lobbiests and work to influence the market. Which is good, because good politics can squash them.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. They're not as involved in govt, but they manipulate our country nonetheless

I can't stand them.

[vaberella]

14. I never said they didn't. But they're easier to control. n/t

[vaberella]

4. Updated it. n/t

[golfguru]

5. Under Clinton we had a dem prez and repub congress

for his last 6 years during which we had unprecedented job growth and prosperity. There was so much growth in revenues that the nation was looking at budget surpluses at the end!

[vaberella]

6. We don't JUST have Republicans in Congress now. That's my whole point.

None of those Republicans can stand next to a Teathuglican. These people don't care. You're simply putting a teabagger into the same category as a boxed Republican. They can't be summed up that way. It's the same that many people will never say a LaRouche (supposed Dem) is a Democrat. They are not. These people are inherently different but take up the mantle of conservative. They are just different.


You can't say Boehner comes from the same Republican cloth as someone like Rand Paul or Bachmann. While Boehner is found to mirror Gingrich and/or DeMint is thrown into the same category. They're old school republicans with a new set of fringe people that go beyond the Republican brand.

[golfguru]

7. Many senators are carry overs from Clinton era

House is another story. Most election winners in the House are from Tea party. Except for Rand Paul, I can't think of another Teabagger in senate.

[vaberella]

8. Could you explain your point?

However, within my discussion I did focus quite clearly of the problem we're facing is with Teabaggers (be it House or Senate)---I have specified rather clearly when I'm speaking about the House.

I don't understand what you're getting at or implying. Is there anything in my post that is incorrect? I'm differentiating between Teabaggers and Republicans. They are not the same---however both are the problem...with Teabaggers being the biggest problem because we seem to be lumping them with Republicans but they don't think on the same terms as Repubs---they're very fringe.

[golfguru]

15. My only point is....

that we did very well indeed under Clinton with a republican congress. And I agree with you that the current crop of republicans is much different. The elections of 2010 have gone to their heads.

[DCBob]

9. Rubio is another. .. but it doesnt really matter since the teabaggers have tremendous influence..

on all Republican members. They fear being targeted by the teabaggers so they cant say or vote the way they really feel on some issues. The GOP is being held hostage by these terrorbaggers.

[TheKentuckian]

12. DeMinted is just as Tealiban as Paul.

In any event, dealing with them is akin to dealing with terrorists. Each concession is a set up for another one and then they will kill a hostage but since there are plenty more they can still make demands and the cycle continues.

Folks willing to get into this loop are going to lead us to a delayed showdown that will still come and when it does we will be depleted and we will be broken.

We need to fight now while we still have some idea of what we fight for and still have some strength. The real probability is losing the Senate, the seats in play are just not that favorable. We will be able to offer less and less resistance.