Ed is saying Obama is gonna cave

[woolldog]

* says things are lining up that way*

[tridim]

1. Ed's a freaking dope.

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. Is this an odd or even week? Ed jumps around quite a bit.

:rofl:

[vaberella]

10. He's all over the board. One moment...don't vote for Obama. Another moment, Obama did great.

It's a joke.

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. He truly is a joke. I don't pat Ed on the back when I hear he's said something supportive,

because all these former hardcore Repukes like Ed, Arianna & Cenk just don't impress me. How do you go from just this side of a teabagger to the left of Bernie Sanders, unless there's $$$ in it? :shrug:

Randi Rhodes has always intimated that she had insider information that Ed took someone up on business proposal because he'd never break into the bigtime as a RW radio host as he sounds too much like Rush. They thought he could be huge if he tried to develop a liberal following, and so far it's paid off.
;)

[Art_from_Ark]

28. "How do... former hardcore Repukes like Ed, Arianna & Cenk...

go from just this side of a teabagger to the left of Bernie Sanders, unless there's $$$ in it?"

Who knows? Maybe they were all visited by the Ghost of Christmas Yet-to-come :shrug:

[RC]

2. How about some details?

"Cave" seems to be his middle name.

[woolldog]

12. The tea party have dug in their heels on this

and Obama is going to be forced to do the repsonsible thing. He won't get a big deal, maybe 1 trillion in cuts only. And he'll take it.

I say let a default happen. I'm ok with default here since the repubs will get the blame and they're being so unreasonable. Wall Street will give em hell if they let a default happen

[Ikonoklast]

3. "Stay home and don't vote in the mid-terms!"

How's that working out for you, Ed, you schuck?

[CakeGrrl]

9. Another ex-Repub. Funny how they're sooooo good at

getting the Far Left's blood boiling.

It's almost like they're paid to do it.

Nah.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Funny indeed.

:thumbsup:

[yourout]

4. Hell I could have told you that weeks ago....the Pukes know he will cave so they.....

have no reason to truly negotiate.

[AndyTiedye]

11. The Repugs Have No Reason to Negotiate Anyway

They've got their Ultrashort ETFs. They make a killing if we default.

[CakeGrrl]

6. Oh goody, here comes Hysteria Part XXXVII.

And this is based on WHAT information?

How many inside sources?

Or is Ed just bored and looking to whip up the netroots anger?

[vaberella]

8. Very true. n/t

[vaberella]

7. Ed has claimed he's a flip-flop blowhard. Why do you listen to him?

Because you like to entertain that Obama is destined to fail us. You keep pushing it.

[ProSense]

13. What exactly is the

President supposedly going to "cave" on: the McConnell plan, the one that raises the debt ceiling now and punts on any discussion of revenue increases/spending cuts?

I mean, other than what the President wants, that's the only other plan on the table.

What is the likelihood that any deal reached is considered a "cave"?

[woolldog]

17. Pretty simple:

A deal with spending cuts, and no revenue component would be considered a cave. A deal with cuts to the big 3 and no revenue component would be considered an abomination and grounds for staying home in november, in fact any cuts or modification of SS or medicare would as well.

[ProSense]

18. Um.

"A deal with spending cuts, and no revenue component would be considered a cave."

Who proposed that? Can you provide a link to such a proposal?

Otherwise, the "cave" statement is based on an imaginary proposal, one that even Mitch McConnell hasn't proposed.

[woolldog]

20. Don't get argumentative with me.

I'm answering your question. You asked what would be considered a cave and I'm telling you. I don't want to argue about how likely that is to happen.

[ProSense]

22. Argumentative?

Does that mean you have no idea what Ed was referring to?

"You asked what would be considered a cave and I'm telling you."

No, I asked: What exactly is the President supposedly going to "cave" on: the McConnell plan, the one that raises the debt ceiling now and punts on any discussion of revenue increases/spending cuts?

[woolldog]

24. oh, sorry

the cave as I understood it was agreeing to spending cuts without revenue. Apparently the McConnel plan being negotiated between Reid and McConnel includes 1.5 trillion in spending cuts. Ed floated the possibility that there might be cuts to the big 3

[Hawkowl]

26. +1000 .nt

[Pab Sungenis]

15. I trust Ed even less than I trust Obama

and that's not easy to do.

[jzodda]

19. Hes frustrated as I think we all are in this debate

Who could possibly have ever believed that SS and Medicare cuts would be negotiated at all? If I were told this a year ago I would have laughed and said that its crazy and yet here we are, seemingly debating on Republican turf not the validity of cuts but instead the size of them. We have seemingly ceded the argument over to the other side and it drives people like Ed nuts.

I guess we can see what happens the rest of this week-but I am also pessimistic.

[polmaven]

42. Did you laugh in January

when it was an absolute certain that the president would announce major "slashes" to Social Security during the State of the Union speech? There was a lot of ranting about that as well. It had no basis in reality, but that made no difference. Here we are again...a lot of speculation with no basis of fact. Heaven forbid we wait and see what the facts are. It didn't happen in January, but lets not let that stand in our way now.

[SoFlaJet]

21. Two words

Fuck Ed

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[nevergiveup]

23. Which Ed was on tonight?

I get dizzy listening to him. I think his heart is in the right place but I don't think he is terribly smart.

[woo me with science]

25. I don't think it's technically called a "cave"

when you pretty much don't mind doing it.

[Palmer Eldritch]

30. Is it called constructive criticism when you actually want the person to fail?

[woo me with science]

31. It's not about the person for me.

For some of us, it's about the legislation, and about principle.

[Palmer Eldritch]

32. Do you honestly believe that?

That may be how it started, but that's not what it is anymore.

[woo me with science]

34. You know,

at a certain point, you lose your soul...

[Palmer Eldritch]

29. no factual information + hearsay rumors = waste of time

[DCBob]

33. The most likely scenario at the moment would be better described as a GOP "cave".

From CNN..

Because there is a growing consensus on Capitol Hill that the White House talks are unlikely to bear fruit, lawmakers in both parties are looking to a plan offered by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell as the most likely legislative solution to avoiding a default.

McConnell, R-Kentucky, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, are now considering adding to the measure in order to boost its chances of passing the GOP-controlled House and Democratic-led Senate.

As described by McConnell at a news conference last week, his legislation would authorize the president to request of Congress debt ceiling increases in three increments between now and the end of next year. The first would boost the debt limit by $700 billion and the next two by $900 billion each.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/18/debt.limit.fallback.plan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[woolldog]

35. yeah but it seems like spending cuts

(1.5 trillion) and no revenues are being attached to the McConnell plan :(

[DCBob]

36. Apparently the cuts being discussed are ok with most Democrats..

"Democrats are privately very happy that McConnell offered his proposal, but they don't want to publicly embrace it right away for fear of turning off Republicans or otherwise jinxing the deal. They like the plan because it gets them out of the default mess; it avoids the deep spending cuts they feared would come from a grand deal with Republicans; and it avoids cuts to entitlements. It doesn't give them revenue increases that many Democrats were insisting on, but it appears they can live with that."

To me it still sounds more like a cave from the GOP than from the Dems.

[Enthusiast]

37. Obama is gonna cave.

He is going to look like a championship spelunker.

[AtomicKitten]

38. Ed says a lot of stuff; he's emotional and inconsistent. nt

[Kahuna]

39. Yeah. He opened his show with that and I quickly changed the channel. nt

[jefferson_dem]

40. Can we throw the stupid "cave' lingo "under the bus"?

Big Blowhard Ed will call anything a "cave" if he thinks it will improve his ratings. Dismiss the tool.

[Lil Missy]

41. Ed is usually wrong. n/t