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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:44 PM
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For those who think that Al Sharpton isn't quite good enough for his own show on MSNBC
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 10:54 PM by Empowerer
That he's not progressive enough or hasn't paid his dues or whatever other excuses we've seen crop up here in the past few days, please answer this:

What other current or potential host has ever made it as plain as this? And if THIS isn't good enough to warrant a higher profile, what in the hell does a brother have to do to be worthy of a progressive opinion show?

Last Friday, I had the experience in Detroit of hearing President George Bush make a speech. And in the speech, he asked certain questions. I hope he's watching tonight. I would like to answer your questions, Mr. President.. . .

Mr. President, I heard you say Friday that you had questions for voters, particularly African-American voters. And you asked the question: Did the Democratic Party take us for granted? Well, I have raised questions. But let me answer your question.
You said the Republican Party was the party of Lincoln and Frederick Douglass. It is true that Mr. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, after which there was a commitment to give 40 acres and a mule.
. . .

We didn't get the mule. So we decided we'd ride this donkey as far as it would take us.

Mr. President, you said would we have more leverage if both parties got our votes, but we didn't come this far playing political games. It was those that earned our vote that got our vote.

We got the Civil Rights Act under a Democrat.

We got the Voting Rights Act under a Democrat.

We got the right to organize under Democrats.

Mr. President, the reason we are fighting so hard, the reason we took Florida so seriously, is our right to vote wasn't gained because of our age. Our vote was soaked in the blood of martyrs, soaked in the blood of good men, soaked in the blood of four little girls in Birmingham. This vote is sacred to us. This vote can't be bargained away. This vote can't be given away.

Mr. President, in all due respect, Mr. President, read my lips: Our vote is not for sale.

And there's a whole generation of young leaders that have come forward across this country that stand on integrity and stand on their traditions, those that have emerged with John Kerry and John Edwards as partners, like Greg Meeks, like Barack Obama, like our voter registration director, Marjorie Harris, like those that are in the trenches.

And we come with strong family values. Family values is not just those with two-car garages and a retirement plan. Retirement plans are good. But family values also are those who had to make nothing stretch into something happening, who had to make ends meet.

I was raised by a single mother who made a way for me. She used to scrub floors as a domestic worker, put a cleaning rag in her pocketbook and ride the subways in Brooklyn so I would have food on the table. But she taught me as I walked her to the subway that life is about not where you start, but where you're going. That's family values.

And I wanted somebody in my community -- I wanted to show that example. As I ran for president, I hoped that one child would come out of the ghetto like I did, could look at me walk across the stage with governors and senators and know they didn't have to be a drug dealer, they didn't have to be a hoodlum, they didn't have to be a gangster, they could stand up from a broken home, on welfare, and they could run for president of the United States.

As you know, I live in New York. I was there September 11th when that despicable act of terrorism happened.

A few days after, I left home, my family had taken in a young man who lost his family. And as they gave comfort to him, I had to do a radio show that morning. When I got there, my friend James Entome said, "Reverend, we're going to stop at a certain hour and play a song, synchronized with 990 other stations."
I said, "That's fine."

He said, "We're dedicating it to the victims of 9/11."

I said, "What song are you playing?"

He said "America the Beautiful." The particular station I was at, the played that rendition song by Ray Charles.

As you know, we lost Ray a few weeks ago, but I sat there that morning and listened to Ray sing through those speakers, "Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain, for purple mountains' majesty across the fruited plain."

And it occurred to me as I heard Ray singing, that Ray wasn't singing about what he knew, because Ray had been blind since he was a child. He hadn't seen many purple mountains. He hadn't seen many fruited plains. He was singing about what he believed to be.

Mr. President, we love America, not because all of us have seen the beauty all the time.

But we believed if we kept on working, if we kept on marching, if we kept on voting, if we kept on believing, we would make America beautiful for everybody.

Starting in November, let's make America beautiful again.

Thank you. And God bless you.


---Rev. Al Sharpton, Democratic National Convention, July 28, 2004
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:47 PM
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1. Love Al. Hate Cenk. Hope Al gets the timeslot via his own show.
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 10:49 PM by ClarkUSA
I'd like a liberal dose of color in the evening line-up.

Just sayin'. ;)
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:49 PM
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2. I like Cenk. If MSNBC wants Al then they can give him the Hardball repeat hour. n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:51 PM
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4. Well, we were bound to disagree sometime.
;)
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:39 AM
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31. I would prefer he get
the 10:00 hour. Ed Shultz is, in my opinion, VERY expendable. I actually like Matthews most of the time, and the first show is on too early for me WHEN I ahve a job....(I sure hope that will be soon, again).
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:21 PM
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64. I'll second that. One hour of Tweedy is more than enough. n/t
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:51 PM
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3. According to some folks around here, Cenk IS the dose of "color"
Apparently, being Turkish makes him a "person of color . . ."

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:56 PM
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5. LOL!
:rofl:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:27 PM
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11. For all intents and purposes by European standards he is.
And since European standards for the most part is reflected in America---well you get the picture. However I agree with you. It's comical at best and I seem to always be the one searching for racism when I claim that CNN is more diverse than MNSBC. And sadly it is. The only Black semi-host they have is Tamron Hall. Al is just subbing. That's not real diversity there. I say give Al his own show. He's fuckin brilliant and they'd add to the color demographic on the show.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:47 AM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:04 AM
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40. Some love Cenk because he's a former Republican like Hillary. Some want McCain/Palin as POTUS/VP...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 11:35 AM by ClarkUSA
... because they actually believe that having a President McCain/VP Palin :tinfoilhat: would have been better off for progressives except for SCOTUS picks:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=714547&mesg_id=714547

So much for wanting "a true progressive" for President. :eyes:

Obama supporters have always wanted a true liberal President over a DINO DLC shill and now we have one... while those who wish they'd gotten McCain/Palin are still attacking Pres. Obama.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 09:04 AM
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37. Go Al, he brings humor and a solid perspective on the issues nt
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:13 PM
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6. That was a wonderful speech by Rev. Sharpton.
Thank you so much for posting it Empowerer.

K&R
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:18 PM
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7. Give him Morning Al
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 11:18 PM by tularetom
He's OK, he's no Cenk, but he's a lot better than Morning Joke.

He's better than Chris Matthews too, so give him one of the two hours they run that pig. Hell, give him both of them and get rid of drool boy.

Cenk is one of the better hosts they have. Why fuck with him?
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:43 PM
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14. "He's no Cenk?" Are you serious?
What has Cenk accomplished and what does he bring to the current political discourse that you believe makes him so superior to Rev. Al Sharpton?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:47 PM
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16. Serious as a heart attack
As a host of a political commentary show I prefer him to Mr Sharpton.

I'm not sure what either one of then has "accomplished" and how that would qualify either of them as a TV talking head.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:52 PM
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19. Wow ...
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:02 AM
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21. I'm gratified that my opinion on this relatively trivial subject is so important to you
:-)
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:27 AM
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41. What is so surprising that some members of DU prefer a strong progressive voice
When push comes to shove Al usually ends up toeing the line, Cenk drops troth bombs not matter what.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:20 PM
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42. I know what you mean. Rev. Sharpton didn't have to switch party affiliation to
get his "progressive" bona fides, he's always been a progressive. Johnny-Come-Lately (Cenk) gets paid for his newfound ideology, Rev. Al has actually lived it on the front lines, with actual "shoe leather". Cenk doesn't hold a candle.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:48 AM
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33. He's an informed progressive. Is that a bad thing now? n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:21 PM
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8. I don't like his interview style...he's Sean Hannity in a Sunday hat...
He pushes talking points no matter what.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:28 PM
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12. No he doesn't. What are you talking about? He has republicans falling over themselves.
People think he's a moron when they come on the show and when he tosses out facts they're left floundering.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:35 PM
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13. I don't know about that...
I've tried to watch his show twice now, and both times I had to switch the channel. Maybe I just prefer the more ceberal style of Lawrence and Rachel.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:49 PM
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17. Different styles ...
Maddow and O'Donnell are no more "cerebral" than Rev. Al - they just have different delivery styles.

But Rev. is no more bombastic or less "cerebral" than Schultz, Matthews, Uyger and even O'Donnell (when he's riled up). People seem to LOVE it when they go gunning for bear. Some of them do little but rant and rave and almost foam at the mouth, and folks think they're great. But, for some reason, they seem put off by what they see as Rev. Sharpton's aggressiveness.

Hmmm.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:04 AM
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22. I promise you, I have nothing against the Rev....he saved my 'life' during the counter inauguration
march in 2000. I wanted to like his show, I just don't, and I can pin in on the interview style. Maybe he's pushing a bit, and I'll learn to like him as he gets more comfortable.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:03 AM
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27. I'm a big Al Sharpton fan. I believe he serves a purpose, and he calls it the way he sees it.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:22 PM
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9. He's a great public speaker. nt
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:24 PM
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10. love Cenk
The rev is ok in my book, too.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:43 PM
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15. I like them both. Is there something wrong with me?
:crazy:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:49 PM
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18. Nope. A lot of people do. n/t
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:57 PM
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20. I'm glad that we're seeing more of Al Sharpton. Not that I don't like Cenk,
but I enjoyed Al more than I expected to. I was hoping he would get a show on MSNBC - maybe a weekend show. I'd like to see MSNBC develop a weekend lineup of left leaning political shows on MSNBC. People who don't want a five night a week gig, or people who have other jobs but would like an hour to discuss issues.

It'd be great to have a show dedicated to community and regional issues. People driven. Ground level politics. The little picture as opposed to the "big picture."

Anyway, I'm sure Cenk will land on his feet. Good luck to him.

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:14 AM
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23. Why do we have so many repeats of Tweety?
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:11 AM
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24. I like Sharpton.
I hope they give him his own time slot.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:21 AM
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25. I simply object to the idea of any guest host replacing Cenk permanently.
Why not go after Tweety's second hour?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:10 AM
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26. He's the first one on MSNBC to shut up and fluster that loud mouth
michael steele. Steele even overtalks Tweety. Last night, steele was thoroughly flustered. He was reduced to flapping his gums with no sound coming out.

Cenk is no debater. All cenk does is make immature, cynical remarks. Never facts. Just all tin foil hat material.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:24 AM
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28. I'd love to see Sharpton replace the Ed show. n/t
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:13 AM
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29. I like his stands but is annoying as hell! n-t
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:59 AM
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34. And I find Cenk, Ed, Dylan and Joe S. annoying as hell
It's long past time to let an annoying black person host a show.

Hell, it's long past time to have ANY black person host a show!

And since being annoying to some is obviously not a disqualifier for white hosts, it certainly shouldn't suddenly be used to disqualify Rev. Sharpton.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:16 AM
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30. Finally an OP about a real Democrat
not a circle D.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 08:33 AM
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35. Rev Al has been putting his bacon on the line for 30 years and people
have the nerve to imply that cenk who voted for bushco, btw is more of a Dem than Rev Al is.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 09:26 PM
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54. Thanks! :-)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 08:59 AM
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36. I adore Rev Sharpton, but it is bad form in any and all cases
to attempt to bring good to one by wishing ill on another. Sharpton is far too good a man to need, want or approve of the construct being put forth on DU by those who are 'supporting' Al as a way to criticize Cenk. They do not see how that reduces Sharpton. They are using a good man as a path to harm another, because they do not like his opinions about some policy.
Those on DU who declare an 'either/or' with these two are making that up out of whole cloth. They are not privy to the network's thinking, and they are constructing this 'stand off' for their own uses and benefits, not 'for Al' at all. It is tacky, naff, classless and not helpful to anyone.
Look at MSNBC. Personally, I refuse to turn it on until late pm. They have Republican Joe. Odd to me that Democrats do not say 'replace Joe with Al'. That network has hours each week of 'prison documentaries'. They need hours of programming. Seems to me they should be shopping to expand, not seeking to retain the number they have now.
The 'replace the host with the guest host' gambit would be-and you by standers need to chew on this- it would be very bad business. Forget the TV part, think about any workplace. If vacationing employees are replaced by those who fill in, loyalty is out the window, vacations become unwanted, the producers lose that window for 'try outs' and when contract time comes, there will be no quarter.
The other thing is that MSNBC has very low viewership. It just does. So I have to say, there are gigs I might go to the floor for, or use unethical rhetoric to help secure for a friend, MSNBC is not such a gig. They are not a 'career destination' they are a TV backwater. If I felt the need to go wishing for Al, it would not be MSNBC I'd be wishing for him.
Sharpton is one of a very small number of straight political figures who I have seen notice and call out homophobic comments of the sort almost all straight people miss. That is, Al has ears for bullshit and bigotry, be it aimed at himself or at others unlike himself. That action is so rare that I never forget it when I see it.
I'd rather have dinner with Al. Both of these guys are good TV hosts. I'd personally like to see a two handed show in their prime time, and those two sets of hands would do nicely, actually.
But to repeat the fist point, it is really bad form and many would say bad luck to wish ill on one person as a way of wishing good on another. In the TV biz in particular, that sort of thing is seen as really, really horrific.
Al is not a rhetorical device for the use of people who want to tarnish a third person, no matter who that third person is. The 'choice' being presented on DU is presented by folks who are not in that business and are simply making up trash to post about Cenk. Al is an excuse and a device, and he deserves to be Rev Al Sharpton, freestanding talent, not compared nor contrasted to others. Those posting the divisive shit have no basis in reality at all to think the network sees the two as an 'either or' choice. None at all.
Cenk has a contract. Al has one too. It is not a fight between two guys for one chair. It is business. MSNBC is not really in a position to be playing 'go on vacation and we replace you' games, not because of Cenk, but because that is wildly crappy business practice, and those who do such things while paying low end salaries, can not attract talent they need on an ongoing basis. No one comes to work for a company that does that sort of shite. Currently contracted talent would seek to leave at the first chance as well.
Those who think they are 'supporting Al' by slamming another are not supporting Al. They are forcing baggage on the issue that if anything, makes Al look less attractive to the buyers. Contract wise, no one here, myself obviously included, knows what either of them wants, has been promised, or would agree to. I do not assume that all potential hosts would long for that job. Nor that they'd want it forever. The show in question does not have anyone's name on it, which means the slot is not really held by anyone. Which means it could go to someone else entirely. That does not mean that either one or both of these men would not have a job, the general idea is to make a show that suits the host, not to wedge a host into a constant format that can be 'done' by anyone. Thus, Al would probably want Al's own show, not a retread of an unfinished format.
Al is great. I am not very familiar with Cenk, although I like him when I see him. I'd retain both of them, if it was my house, but probably not use either in the exact format they have now. There is more to TV 'news' than a person addressing the camera directly with a furious pace. Or at least there should be.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:58 AM
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38. Oh please. The majority of the nasty remarks are at Sharpton,
not cenk. Cenk is mostly criticized when his boosters are making derogatory statements against Sharpton in comparison to Cenk. Cenk has done more for progressive than Al Sharpton??? Really?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:00 AM
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39. I like Al!
He's good politics, and he's good on TV. What a combination.

MSNBC, give him his own show!

Bake
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:31 PM
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43. Ditto! There's no comparison. One talks about politics on the teevee,
the other has actually put real skin in the game, for progressive ideals, for more than three decades. I know who gets my vote.

I can almost guarantee that Rev. Al would bring a whole new demographic to MSNBC. His own radio show audience, and a good portion of those who listen to his commentary, every Wednesday morning on Tom Joyner's Morning Show. :hi:
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 01:31 PM
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44. Sharpton is a hustler and self-promoter.
From the People article about the Tawana Brawley incident:

McKinnon, 39, who served for the past year and a half as Al Sharpton's right-hand man, appears to be a credible witness. A decorated Vietnam combat vet, former Georgia cop and hospital security chief, McKinnon said that the three Brawley advisers were lying when they claimed to have proof that law officers had raped Tawana. In fact, he said, they had never shown much interest in gathering evidence. McKinnon said he warned Maddox and Sharpton back in January that there were no facts to support the Brawley family's rape story. According to McKinnon, Sharpton privately agreed with him, calling the story "bull——." But, said McKinnon, Maddox insisted: "I don't care 'bout no facts. I'm not going to pursue it legally. I'm going to pursue it politically."

Politics, McKinnon says, and more particularly the political ambitions of the three Brawley advisers, are what the case has been about from the beginning. "This case is not about Tawana. It's about Mason, Maddox and Sharpton taking over the town, so to speak." He calls them "hustlers and crooks" and quotes Sharpton as exclaiming: "We beat this, we will be the biggest niggers in New York." Alton Maddox, says McKinnon, laughed and said, "You know, you're right."
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20099354,00.html


--imm
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:27 PM
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45. Ah yes - the "hustler" perjorative -
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 03:29 PM by EffieBlack
A term reserved almost exclusively for outspoken black activists.

And, of course, what is any discussion about Rev. Sharpton without dragging out Tawana Brawley, since we can't even THINK of giving this man any credit for anything he's done in the last 20 years - let's instead judge him based on something that happened TWO DECADES AGO and insist that, unlike the rest of us, he is either incapable of or unworthy of any credit for growing in the intervening years.

Meanwhile, recently converted (supposedly) former Republicans, disgraced politicians, and loud-mouths who've accomplished little more in their adult lives are given a pass and even lionized. I guess that's because they're not "hustlers."

And some folks think the playing field is even and scream bloody murder when anyone points out how race still matters in America.

Absolutely disgusting.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:21 PM
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46. Hear, hear, my sister! n/t
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 09:25 PM
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53. Deleted
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 09:25 PM by Empowerer
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:36 PM
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47. I guess you assume that all hustlers are black, or Paul Newman.
How enlightened of you.

I watched Sharpton carry out his "movements" for a couple of years when I lived in New York. He was just everywhere. Got himself on every TV, every newspaper. Accomplishments? :shrug:

I'm glad he's cleaned up his act. I wish him well. Doesn't mean I would trust him. And I don't think he is skillful as a TV host. Fine for guest shots. His questions may be good, but not as delivered by him.

How about Van Jones? Or someone who can speak?

--imm
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 07:17 PM
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51. |No, I don't - i said that only black activists are called "hustlers"
Notwithstanding a 50-year-old Paul Newman movie.

And I believe that anyone who believes that Rev. Sharpton - who, as my grandmother would say, "can talk grease out of a biscuit" - can't "speak" perhaps has a hearing problem.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 12:43 AM
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55. I don't doubt that Al can hold sway over a...
biscuit. Or is the grease that he is persuading? Hard to tell from syntax if its the grease leaving, or the biscuit giving it up.

When it comes to television hosts, he's not good at enunciating, putting together sentences, and quick vocabulary retrieval. He will probably get better, but not much, IMO. He has grammatical anomalies, but as far as I am concerned, used for emphasis, that don't count.

As much as he has been effective on a community level, and helped people, I commend him. For his previous mis-deeds, some of which had to have embarrassed the civil rights movement, and they aren't all from 30 years ago, I don't see how he rates a TV show. I am not surprised at the opportunism though. And if he can collect enough ratings, as my grandmother would say, "He should live in good health."

But I would rather someone get the slot that would attract my attention. I didn't watch Cenk avidly, but he was pretty good. Occasionally very good.

So where did you get the idea that a hustler is anything other than a person, of any color, that acts like a hustler. Quite a few of them have the title "Reverend."

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:27 AM
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58. Rev. Sharpton may not get YOUR attention, and you may not like his manner of speaking
But he does get the attention of many, many people who respect him, agree with him, and have no problem with how he speaks and who actually appreciate it because he sounds like people they know and they feel he speaks to and for them.

Just as you have difficulty connecting with Rev. Sharpton, plenty of other viewers and potential viewers don't connect with the current parade of mostly white men who keep getting handed shows on a silver platter.
It's about time for MSNBC to stop catering to more than an extremely narrow demographic.

Rev. Sharpton may not be YOUR cup of tea. But many of us are tired of the lack of diversity on MSNBC and its competitors. And just as some of you love watching Cenk and Schultz, et al, we love watching Sharpton - and it's about time that our views and tastes are also taken into account. If you don't like Sharpton, you can do what those of us who don't like other hosts do - either turn him off or watch him anyway because you can learn always learn something.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:12 PM
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75. It's about Al not melanocytes. I have little interest in Schultz for the same reasons.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 10:13 PM by immoderate
Ed is klutzy in a different way, and I acknowledge as with Al, it could be just that quality that attracts his particular viewers. If they have an interesting guest, it's watchable. Cenk was really great on Air America. His current stuff, eh!

Rachel is the master of the medium right now. In terms of analyzing events, and crafting them into presentations that are symphonic in depth and scope, she has no peer. Lawrence has creds as a writer, producer, political operative, and long time commentator, prior to this. The rest of the time I'm usually happier at Animal Planet -- except when they're searching for big foot. LOL!

If I could think of another person who could deliver political TV comparable to above, I don't care who it might be. I'd be uncomfortable limiting my choices by race, gender, etc.

If you criticize someone who is black, then the criticism might be read as criticism for being black. In this case it's not. There are lots of people I would love to see perform for an hour and among those, there are certainly black folks in that group. I could take an hour a day of Malcolm X or Wanda Sykes, because I like their thinking and the way they communicate that thinking. I think white people, asserting their non-racist creds, will always sound pretty stupid. And, I'm guessing from your screen name, you won't be easy to impress that way. If I assure you that there is not a racist bone in my body, I bet I'll be able to HEAR your eyes roll.

I think I will always be white. Can't do a thing about that. I was born into a racial country; can't help that either. OTH, my own persona is deeply intertwined with black culture, neighbors, partners, teachers, students, friends and girlfriends. Not all at once though. :) It's what Rahsaan called Blacknuss and you can only guess how much I understand.

--imm

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:47 PM
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48. OK, let's make it "grifter" so we can be PC. Self-promoter stands, right?
I don't hate Al Sharpton (or anybody else, for that matter) but it's possible to reject him without being a racist.

--imm
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 12:52 AM
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56. excellent response
bravo...and ditto.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 09:16 AM
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59. cosign
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:31 PM
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68. Co-sign n/t
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 08:24 AM
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78. All he had to do
to regain my respect is apologize to the police officers he trashed because of the Brawley madness. That tore the city apart and then the Crown Heights stuff - all he was then was a rabble rouser and troublemaker (are those "white" enough terms for you?). He refused (and still refuses) to apologize to the cops and for that, there is no forgiveness. I'll never watch his show.
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PragmaticLiberal Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:06 PM
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49. Sharpton is going at it with some congressman right now. Love it!
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July16th-20th Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:08 PM
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50. Well...
I do like the way he gets in people's faces.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 09:19 PM
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52. I hope he gets his own show
I haven't been watching much TV lately, but I did catch him a couple of times and I enjoyed it. I do like him better than Cenk.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:38 AM
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57. I love Cenk
and have been turning off Sharpton because he feels too much like an apologist for the corporate Dems. I know he has done a lot of good in his lifetime, he just doesn't do it for me at all.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:25 AM
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60. I LOVE Al...
I like Cenk too and never missed the show, but Al should stay.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:25 AM
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61. A GD thread comment states that AL was asked to stay on for two more weeks nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:57 AM
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62. Since you pretty much accused me of being a racist and having different standards for
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 10:59 AM by jenmito
a Black host AND saying he "sounds too black," let me repeat things that I wrote on that thread:

Cenk should lose his show. He admits to not being a Dem. (NOW), said Obama's more conservative than Reagan, and is constantly bashing Obama unfairly. Sharpton would be a good replacement once he learns how to pronounce the names and words that he continues to mispronounce, and once he learns to read the teleprompter smoother, and once he learns how to run his show. For example, when he has more than one guest, he doesn't always say to whom he's directing his question and they all answer at once. And he pronounced "Sharia" as "Shara" and then "Shahara" and mispronounced "access" as "assess." And just last night, he called Robert Reich "Robert Reech."

This is NOT a "black" thing as you and the other poster are trying to make it into. It's an Al Sharpton thing. He's NOT good at hosting that show. Period. He has improved since his first days, but he's still not good at it. And if you think I just don't "understand" "black accents," you're WAY off. Let's just say I'm much more familiar with "Black accents" (from the South as well as everywhere else) than any other kind. I've grown up with them most of my life.

Regarding Tweety, HE bugged me when he kept mispronouncing "Fukushima" as "Fukushama" and "Daichi" as "Daiachi." He always points out the correct pronunciation of "Cheney," but then he kept making those 2 mistakes. And I wrote to him to complain about that. But there is no comparison between the two when it comes to how they run the shows they host.
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Now-if you think I have "different standards" according to race, let me throw out a couple names of Black commentators whom I think WOULD do a great job and whom I'd love to take Cenk's place right now-Melissa Harris-Perry or Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. I think they'd be GREAT from Day One, but like I said in my post on the other thread, I think Al Sharpton would be a good replacement once he practices up on how to host a show. His politics, his speeches, his preaching, his getting into it with guests, I LOVE. This has nothing to do with not wanting a Black host on TV. I DO-but I want the person to be ready.

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 01:56 PM
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63. Your point: "Sharpton would be a good replacement once he learns how to pronounce the names
and words that he continues to mispronounce, and once he learns to read the teleprompter smoother, and once he learns how to run his show" is interesting and I understand your point.

But my point - and I think others here are making the same one - is that the kinds of issues you raised are improved only through practice. None of the hosts currently with their own shows started off as great, seasoned television hosts. They were given chances and then groomed through practice - and the only way to do this is by giving them on-air experience.

This is where some of the frustration you're seeing here comes from. White hosts are given all kinds of opportunities to grow and improve. Yet potential black hosts are criticized for not having fully perfected their craft - even though they haven't been given similar chances to do so.

Rev. Sharpton is a very good host and he has the potential to be a great one. And if he's given the same chance that the likes of Dylan Ratigan, Ed Schultz and Willie Geist have been given, he will be.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:27 PM
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65. Just to be clear...
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 02:33 PM by jenmito
Sharpton is way better to watch than Cenk. He HAS improved from his earliest days, but he still messes up like no other host of a show with his mispronunciations, i.e. "Rinse" instead of "Rience," "Reech" instead of "Reich," etc. STILL, I prefer him to Cenk who has stupid IDEAS (unlike Al). I thought Ed Schultz wasn't doing a good job, either, AND he's stupid with quite a few things. I just don't like being told I don't want Al having a show because of his race. That's ridiculous. And like I said, Harris-Perry or Dyson would do a great job IMO. I understand how some people might really be against a Black host, but those people are plain-out racists. I couldn't be farther from being a racist.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:49 PM
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66. Reminds me of a friend who once asked why his company never hired blacks to be department heads
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 02:51 PM by Empowerer
He was told, "because there aren't any black department heads in this industry."

He asked, "Well, where did all of the white department heads come from? Were they department heads before THEY got hired as department heads? Were they born department heads? Is there a section in the hospital nursery for all of the little baby department heads?"

:rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 02:51 PM
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67. My post reminds you of that? Funny you didn't comment on my post. n/t
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:40 PM
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69. I wasn't responding to you because I wasn't talking about your post
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:02 PM
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70. Funny how you keep posting to other people who are posting to me, but you never
respond to my posts.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:05 PM
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71. When you say something I think merits a response, I will certainly respond to it . . .n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:10 PM
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72. You DO respond to my posts by posting to the person who's posting to me,
commenting on things I say.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:12 PM
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73. Whatever
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:13 PM
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74. Yup-whatever. I must've made my case.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 11:13 PM
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76. Most of the talk show hosts have guest hosted before. That's how they're tested.
Has Al guest hosted before?

If he guest hosts and does well, then sure, he'd be a candidate for his own show, I think.

I think he'd be good. Not because he's a "brother." I'm white, so I don't relate to someone hosting a "brother show." But if he hosts a left-leaning talk show that speaks to all Americans, I'd watch.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 06:33 AM
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77. He's been guest hosting for the last two weeks
And his ratings have been very good and MSNBC is reportedly pleased with his performance.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 08:34 AM
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79. If I had a choice between Rev. Al on MSNBC at 6 and
Cenk on Current at 6, I'd watch Current.
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